Draft thoughts

[Snakester]

I would like to see our draft go like this.

1. Eric Fisher- Make him our new LT from day one.

2. Kyle Long- Start him at LG from day one and let him learn on the job like Massie did last year. Him and Fisher would make a great left side in a year or two. Kyle plays with alot of attitude like his father Howie.

3. Brian Schwenke- I really like this guy as a center. He has very good feet and gets to the second level with ease. He can pull well and he holds his ground as well.

4. Bacarri Rambo- Since we released both Adrian Wilson and Kerry Rhodes I figure we need a replacement. Rambo has the talent to go higher in the draft, but because of failing a drug test and serving a 4-game suspension last year I think he slips. The guy has been a ballhawk (16 career int's). Start him at free safety from day one and let him learn and be ready for 2014.

5. Kwame Geathers- We signed Shaughnessy to be our backup DE. We draft Geathers to be our backup NT. This guy is huge 6-6 350 with 35 inch arms and moves well for such a big man.

Although I would love to see us take care of the O-line this year I think we may only add one guy in the first few rounds. My reasoning is this. Even though Arians seems to love Drew Stanton, I can't believe he will put all his eggs into the one basket for Stanton. I believe he will still draft a QB.

Looking at our division with Kaepernick and Russell Wilson I see two guys that can escape the pocket and run well. They are both pretty good passers as well. I always hear how the NFL is a copycat league. After looking at alot of game tape yesterday on the quarterbacks coming out. EJ Manuel stood out the most to me as an athletic QB that is both a dangerous runner and a good passer. He has a great arm and was accurate this year. (68% completion). I can see us taking him in the second round.

The way I see the draft really going is this way. Both Joeckel and Fisher will be gone before we pick. That leaves Chance Warmack and Lance Johnson as the top two linemen left. Because we have Levi Brown coming back and Massie at RT I can see us doing one of two things. Drafting Warmack or a passrusher.

The top pass rushers are Jarvis Jones, Ezekiel Ansah and Dion Jordan. Because we are more of a 3-4 team I see Jones and Jordan as the likely pick because they can step in as rush linebackers. The way I see it it comes down to either Warmack of Jones as our top pick. Either would be fine by me, but I can see us taking Warmack as the safe pick. So our first rounder is Chance Warmack.

In the second round I see us taking QB EJ Manuel. He would be our version of Colin Kaepernick. Other second rounders that I would love to see us get are Eddie Lacy RB, Tank Carradine DE, Kawann Short DT, Margus Hunt DE Kyle Long, Larry Warford and Alex Okafor DE.

Our third round pick will probably be a safety because of the need.There are several guys to choose from that might be there that are rated high. Rambo, Phillip Thomas, DJ Swearinger, and Tony Jefferson. Other guys that I like in the third round are- C Brian Schwenke, RB Andre Ellington, QB Tyler Bray and OLB Brandon Jenkins. I have Schwenke as my #1 Center. Ellington as my #2 RB. From watching film I think Ellington is the most Dynamic RB in this class.

In rounds 4-7 I can see us taking a LB, DT, WR and RB.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't mean to "spit in your soup" but you may want to revisit Long - specifically the scout's verbatim on him in the PFW Draft Guide.

He essentially says that, during the observed practice session, Long was unfocused and didn't seem to take his workout seriously. It raised a red flag (Is he a bit full of himself due to his family connections)?

I say this after hoping he'd be a blue chip prospect (because - if he graded out highly - it would mean one additional quality OL for us to choose from). But you don't often see scouts going that public with that negative a criticism and it made me nervous about Long.

 

[Chopper0080]

I will go on record on this thread stating that, for 3-4 teams, OLBs Walter Stewart - Cincinnati and Quanterus Smith - Western Kentucky will be steals. Both are really good athletes with great initial burst and have been dropped due to injuries. I would take both of these players in any round after 4 and love my pass rush depth.

My dream draft if the stars align is...

1-Chance Warmack - Alabama - OG
2-Terron Armstead - Arkansas-Pine Bluff - OT
3-Jaime Collins - Southern Mississippi - OLB
4-Duke Williams - Nevada - S
5-Stepfan Taylor - Stanford - RB
6a-Walter Stewart - Cincinnati - OLB
6b-Sean Renfree - Duke - QB

This requires Collins and Taylor to drop farther than I think they will and Renfree's injury to factor into his draft status more than I think it will. But, other than that, this gives us two rush linebacker prospects, two offensive line prospects and young players to develop at RB, QB, and S with Taylor and Renfree coming from pro-freindly offenses.

 

[Catfish]

I am starting to lean more towards taking a Pass Rusher with our first draft pick. The lack of such a player is the single most glaring missing person on our roster when compared to virtually ALL other SB winning teams. Even when we had Warner, we lacked a really good pass rusher on defense, and we couldn't hold the lead late in the game. A play maker there might make our defense much more formidable, (especially given BA's propensity for playing situational football). In addition, the second round does not appear to have that 'elite' type pass rusher available this year, though some would argue about Okafor. I am reluctant to put him into that category.

 

[Finito]

I think were set at tackle like you said they seem to like Levi and Massive has def won the starting job with Potter for depth. This draft is very deep at 3 positions we just happen to need OLB, OG and Safety.

Safety is crazy deep Kenny Vacarro, Eric Reid, Baccari Rambo, DJ Swearinger, Matt Elam and The Honey Badger( I move him to safety and let him ball hawk like Bob Sanders)

I would love something like this
1 Chance Warmack
2 Alex Okafor
3 best safety on the board( hopefully Rambo or Mathieu)

1 Jarvis Jones
2 Larry Warford
3 Best safety on the board

David Decastro was the highest rated guard to come out in a decade last year and he slipped into the 20s. guards are just not in that high of a demand I can easily see Cooper falling to us in round 2. Its gonna be hard to pass on Jones or Lotulelei knowing you can get a good Guard in round 2

 

[Chopper0080]

I am starting to lean more towards taking a Pass Rusher with our first draft pick. The lack of such a player is the single most glaring missing person on our roster when compared to virtually ALL other SB winning teams. Even when we had Warner, we lacked a really good pass rusher on defense, and we couldn't hold the lead late in the game. A play maker there might make our defense much more formidable, (especially given BA's propensity for playing situational football). In addition, the second round does not appear to have that 'elite' type pass rusher available this year, though some would argue about Okafor. I am reluctant to put him into that category.

The arguement against this would be that most of the "top" pass rushers available have significant issues. Mingo, Jordan and Ansah are all great athletes, but have not generated a significant number of sacks in college. Werner isn't a 3-4 fit, and Jarvis Jones is pretty small for a 3-4 OLB. Hell, some draft folks think Cornellius Carradine is the bets pass rusher in the draft and that his injury is the only reason he isn't going top 10. A bunch of question marks at the top of round 1 if we decide to go OLB.

Draft Warmack.

 

[Finito]

Nobody thinks Carradine is the best pass rusher.

 

[Snakester]

I don't mean to "spit in your soup" but you may want to revisit Long - specifically the scout's verbatim on him in the PFW Draft Guide.

He essentially says that, during the observed practice session, Long was unfocused and didn't seem to take his workout seriously. It raised a red flag (Is he a bit full of himself due to his family connections)?

I say this after hoping he'd be a blue chip prospect (because - if he graded out highly - it would mean one additional quality OL for us to choose from). But you don't often see scouts going that public with that negative a criticism and it made me nervous about Long.

Yea I read that to. He is a cocky one for sure. He brings alot of attitude to the table, I think he will bring that same attitude on the field with him. I like my O-linemen to be mean and nasty ( Conrad Dobler like) on the field. I want D-linemen to fear my O-line like the good old days of Finnie, Young, Banks, Dobler and Dierdorf.

 

[Snakester]

I think were set at tackle like you said they seem to like Levi and Massive has def won the starting job with Potter for depth. This draft is very deep at 3 positions we just happen to need OLB, OG and Safety.

Safety is crazy deep Kenny Vacarro, Eric Reid, Baccari Rambo, DJ Swearinger, Matt Elam and The Honey Badger( I move him to safety and let him ball hawk like Bob Sanders)

I would love something like this
1 Chance Warmack
2 Alex Okafor
3 best safety on the board( hopefully Rambo or Mathieu)

1 Jarvis Jones
2 Larry Warford
3 Best safety on the board

David Decastro was the highest rated guard to come out in a decade last year and he slipped into the 20s. guards are just not in that high of a demand I can easily see Cooper falling to us in round 2. Its gonna be hard to pass on Jones or Lotulelei knowing you can get a good Guard in round 2

I would take either of your drafts as well. I really would love to see us draft Jarvis Jones. I think he is the best pass rusher in this draft and would really help our defense.

 

[Duckjake]

The arguement against this would be that most of the "top" pass rushers available have significant issues. Mingo, Jordan and Ansah are all great athletes, but have not generated a significant number of sacks in college. Werner isn't a 3-4 fit, and Jarvis Jones is pretty small for a 3-4 OLB. Hell, some draft folks think Cornellius Carradine is the bets pass rusher in the draft and that his injury is the only reason he isn't going top 10. A bunch of question marks at the top of round 1 if we decide to go OLB.

Draft Warmack.

The real question is what's wrong with Schofield and Acho? We had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. Once teams got inside our 20 we friggin stuffed them. Oh that's right. It was just an illusion and we need a bunch of new players for that side of the ball.

 

[JeffGollin]

The real question is what's wrong with Schofield and Acho? We had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. Once teams got inside our 20 we friggin stuffed them. Oh that's right. It was just an illusion and we need a bunch of new players for that side of the ball.

The only thing wrong with each of them is that they can't be their own backups.

With Groves out of the picture, there's no one behind them known to be a good pass rusher. The hope is that Alexander will fill part of that void, but the ideal move would be to add another pass rusher via free agency or the draft.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

The arguement against this would be that most of the "top" pass rushers available have significant issues. Mingo, Jordan and Ansah are all great athletes, but have not generated a significant number of sacks in college. Werner isn't a 3-4 fit, and Jarvis Jones is pretty small for a 3-4 OLB. Hell, some draft folks think Cornellius Carradine is the bets pass rusher in the draft and that his injury is the only reason he isn't going top 10. A bunch of question marks at the top of round 1 if we decide to go OLB.

Draft Warmack.

Yep Warmack is a much safer pick than Mingo Jordan or Jones. Would be

an easy pick for me. Kleim would be sending a message that he is serious

about fixing the line

 

[Finito]

I like acho but he's not an elite pass rusher. If your gonna play 3-4 a dominate pass rusher is a must. We need that Terrell suggs or James Harrison type .

I like Warmack to but he's a guard and truth is its very rare for those guys to go real high.

Jurecki saying Kiem, Arians and the coaching staff going to the Georgia pro day looking at Jones

 

[Duckjake]

The only thing wrong with each of them is that they can't be their own backups.

With Groves out of the picture, there's no one behind them known to be a good pass rusher. The hope is that Alexander will fill part of that void, but the ideal move would be to add another pass rusher via free agency or the draft.

The thing is posters are not talking about getting some depth at the position but getting a starter to replace one of the two. My question is why. Now if you can get an obviously superior player you do it. But just to go out and get an OLB because the conventional wisdom is we need one is a bad idea.

 

[MWOOD92]

The arguement against this would be that most of the "top" pass rushers available have significant issues. Mingo, Jordan and Ansah are all great athletes, but have not generated a significant number of sacks in college. Werner isn't a 3-4 fit, and Jarvis Jones is pretty small for a 3-4 OLB. Hell, some draft folks think Cornellius Carradine is the bets pass rusher in the draft and that his injury is the only reason he isn't going top 10. A bunch of question marks at the top of round 1 if we decide to go OLB.

Draft Warmack.

Jarvis Jones too small??? James Harrison is even smaller.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The real question is what's wrong with Schofield and Acho? We had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. Once teams got inside our 20 we friggin stuffed them. Oh that's right. It was just an illusion and we need a bunch of new players for that side of the ball.

We were bad againt the run and a large part of why we were so good against the pass was that we were in a 4-2-5 alot. I suspect we will take a step back against the pass, but we should see improvement against the run.

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

The thing is posters are not talking about getting some depth at the position but getting a starter to replace one of the two. My question is why. Now if you can get an obviously superior player you do it. But just to go out and get an OLB because the conventional wisdom is we need one is a bad idea.

I believe the thought process is that we know we are getting a special teams stud regardless. If he can be solid at OLB thann that is just a positive.

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[JeffGollin]

The thing is posters are not talking about getting some depth at the position but getting a starter to replace one of the two. My question is why. Now if you can get an obviously superior player you do it. But just to go out and get an OLB because the conventional wisdom is we need one is a bad idea.

There may be a reason for seeking a replacement OLB istead of just a backup, and that's if you feel that either Acho or Scho has overrachieved and maxed out pass-rush wise. Bowles may be seeking 10-12 sacks per season from the position and may feel he can only get 4-6 sacks from either of the 2 guys he's got.

Or maybe wants backup depth and someone he can develop for a year or so as he learns the position as a backup.

Personally, I'd be more comfortable strengthening the OL with early picks and looking to cherry-pick a sleeper OLB with raw pass rush potential on the second day of the draft.

 

[Duckjake]

We were bad againt the run and a large part of why we were so good against the pass was that we were in a 4-2-5 alot. I suspect we will take a step back against the pass, but we should see improvement against the run.

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But we were poor against the run on purpose. Horton gave that up to shut down the pass in a pass happy league and it worked. If the Cards were really a poor run defense they wouldn't have been top 5 in Red Zone defense.

Vikings had 166 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. Bills had 165 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. The Packers had 176 yards rushing and scored on 4 TD passes of 13,21,28 and 72 yards. The Rams had 173 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. The Jets had 177 yards rushing and didn't score until the 4th quarter. The Bears had 152 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs.

I'd gladly give up 150 yards rushing and only 2TDs 16 weeks a year.

 

[cardncubfan]

But we were poor against the run on purpose. Horton gave that up to shut down the pass in a pass happy league and it worked. If the Cards were really a poor run defense they wouldn't have been top 5 in Red Zone defense.

Vikings had 166 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. Bills had 165 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. The Packers had 176 yards rushing and scored on 4 TD passes of 13,21,28 and 72 yards. The Rams had 173 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs. The Jets had 177 yards rushing and didn't score until the 4th quarter. The Bears had 152 yards rushing and scored 2 TDs.

I'd gladly give up 150 yards rushing and only 2TDs 16 weeks a year.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The one thing that I'm cocerned about the most is red zone defense. Otherwise we were mediocre as far as total yards. Bottom line is that the defense was good last year, but not so good that it was untouchable.

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[Chopper0080]

Jarvis Jones too small??? James Harrison is even smaller.

Jarvis Jones is 6'2 245 with 33 inch arms. He is not a big guy. James Harrison is almost the same weight and at least two inches shorter if not more.

So, yeah. Jarvis Jones is pretty small to be a 3-4 OLB. I'm not saying it is impossible, but he is at the bottom of the height/weight scale for the position.

 

[Chopper0080]

Nobody thinks Carradine is the best pass rusher.

Russ Lande and Yahoo Sports Doug Farrar do. It took me like 5 minutes to find two people who get paid to write about sports and the draft who state that had Carradine not gotten injured, he would be the top pass rusher available in the draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

The real question is what's wrong with Schofield and Acho? We had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. Once teams got inside our 20 we friggin stuffed them. Oh that's right. It was just an illusion and we need a bunch of new players for that side of the ball.

Nothing is wrong with either Acho or Schofield, but neither is the dynamic edge rusher we need. I don't believe Acho or Schofield are the problem. I just do not believe they are the solution to our edge rush problem.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I keep seeing everyone write mock drafts where we draft a bunch of offensive lineman, but I think that's pure fantasy.

OT: Brown, Massie, Potter
OG: Colledge, Snyder, Kelemete
C: Sendlein

I don't see much room for drafting all these lineman unless of course we keep ten, which is too many to keep.

I can see us drafting one in rounds one-three and another in the later rounds.

We desperately need a QB; Drafting one this year should be a critical focus. The front office needs to identify their Russell Wilson and draft the guy, and if he shows no progress this coming season, draft another next year. That's how you fix QB, you draft, draft, and draft again.

I'm probably in the minority but I want Geno Smith round one and if not Geno, I would love to see us (possibly) move up and snag Barkley. Warmack is a great talent as is Jarvis Jones, but QB is 50 times more important in todays NFL.