DRC getting owned

[Shane]

You should be napping.

That may be true. But you should wake the hell up! Nudge Rats too when you do!

 

[Duckjake]

What the hell are you talking about? You made the player comparison with AW. I never compared DRC with anyone. DRC is a good player that hopefully will be great with the talent he has. He had a sub par day but not near as bad as indicated by some in this thread. And yes the pass rush does impact CB success and today we had none.

What the hell are you talking about? I never once compared DRC with AW. You drew that conclusion all on your own. I simply stated that AW had great games playing with inferior talent for years and if DRC, and any other player for that matter, wants to be great they need to do the same.

You need a nap.

 

[WarnerHOF]

It's funny that people make excuses for DRC while piling on the hate for Derek Anderson.

 

[PJ1]

What the hell are you talking about? I never once compared DRC with AW. You drew that conclusion all on your own. I simply stated that AW had great games playing with inferior talent for years and if DRC, and any other player for that matter, wants to be great they need to do the same.

You need a nap.

Um, that is an analogy. Comparing the two? Saying DRC should be playing like a HOF corner. Players like AW don't come along too often.

 

[Chopper0080]

He's not? He's supposed to be this awesome shutdown CB. Do you really think he's not that good? If so, would you care to explain why you don't think he's the player AW was?

But anyway the player comparison was only in your head. The real point is that great players, and DRC is supposed to be a great player, play well regardless of the circumstances and the talent around them.

I don't see people here pick out players they don't like and criticize them for no reason. Most of the posters here pick out players who had bad games and criticize them.

This.

 

[PJ1]

It's funny that people make excuses for DRC while piling on the hate for Derek Anderson.

Now we are going to compare DRC's performance with Derek Anderson. You are killing me here.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Now we are going to compare DRC's performance with Derek Anderson. You are killing me here.

He was a major contributor to those long Falcon TD drives.

 

[Rats]

That may be true. But you should wake the hell up! Nudge Rats too when you do!

Dude, you did not just go there....DRC has a probowl on his resume. Not sure you saw that. Why don't you go cut some deal with Paris Hilton and leave this heavy lifting to the less corrupt element. Thats all your good for RIP. This D ws bad today that means all of them. But you don't know what your talking about.

 

[Duckjake]

Um, that is an analogy. Comparing the two? Saying DRC should be playing like a HOF corner. Players like AW don't come along too often.

Why shouldn't DRC be playing like a HOF Corner? Everything I've heard is that he has those skills. Do you not think so? If not why?

I also don't buy the lack of a pass rush as an excuse for an elite cover guy. As the best cover guy on the team he should be staying with his man longer than the other DBs so one of their guys should come open sooner. In fact if you have that rep as a CB the last place a QB is going to look is in your direction. Since that is the last place the QB will look and other receivers are going to be open sooner they should be getting the ball thrown to them not the guy DRC is covering.

 

[PJ1]

Why shouldn't DRC be playing like a HOF Corner? Everything I've heard is that he has those skills. Do you not think so? If not why?

I also don't buy the lack of a pass rush as an excuse for an elite cover guy. As the best cover guy on the team he should be staying with his man longer than the other DBs so one of their guys should come open sooner. In fact if you have that rep as a CB the last place a QB is going to look is in your direction. Since that is the last place the QB will look and other receivers are going to be open sooner they should be getting the ball thrown to them not the guy DRC is covering.

He is not there yet to be listed with the best. Has the skill but needs to mature some. Hopefully he will get there. He has great games but has some bad ones. Still the least of our worries on D. Pass rush is relative as we really weren't getting close today. Believe what you want. I am damn glad we have DRC.

 

[Shane]

Dude, you did not just go there....DRC has a probowl on his resume. Not sure you saw that. Why don't you go cut some deal with Paris Hilton and leave this heavy lifting to the less corrupt element. Thats all your good for RIP. This D ws bad today that means all of them. But you don't know what your talking about.

Your right the D as a whole sucked. Still didn't excuse DRC performance. See duckjakes and warnerhof analogies above.

Derek Anderson has a pro bowl? So what!

 

[Shane]

He is not there yet to be listed with the best. Has the skill but needs to mature some. Hopefully he will get there. He has great games but has some bad ones. Still the least of our worries on D. Pass rush is relative as we really weren't getting close today. Believe what you want. I am damn glad we have DRC.

He is in year freaking three. How many elite CBs in yourcestimation take 4 years or more to "mature?" and could you name them?

 

[Rats]

Your right the D as a whole sucked. Still didn't excuse DRC performance. See duckjakes and warnerhof analogies above.

Derek Anderson has a pro bowl? So what!

His performence was not what your making it out to be thru your beer goggles RIP. I can't take to much stock in someone that didn't see the game today(sorry Duck) and someone that I am suprised is still here now that Kurt is gone. DA is and has been what he is. He has hit his ceiling. DRC has not and for you to say his play is like a bum on the street is dishonest. But then I have come to expect nothing less from you.

 

[Duckjake]

His performence was not what your making it out to be thru your beer goggles RIP. I can't take to much stock in someone that didn't see the game today(sorry Duck) and someone that I am suprised is still here now that Kurt is gone. DA is and has been what he is. He has hit his ceiling. DRC has not and for you to say his play is like a bum on the street is dishonest. But then I have come to expect nothing less from you.

Hey Dan. If you will go back and look at my posts I never once said anything about DRC having a bad game. In fact I want to know why people don't think he's as good as AWilliams was in his 3rd season.

 

[PJ1]

He is in year freaking three. How many elite CBs in yourcestimation take 4 years or more to "mature?" and could you name them?

He is pretty young though and has developed quite well. He is 24 years old. Younger than Toler. You talk about him like he is a bad player. He has been to the pro bowl and yes that is an accomplishment. To be in a class with AW? May never be but that does not make him a bad pick. Hoping for a big year from him this year. Another pro bowl and more confidence when going for the big play. With that I am more than fine with him.

DRC is a good player and was a good pick. What corners are better than him at his age or younger in the NFL right now? Name them.

 

[Shane]

His performence was not what your making it out to be thru your beer goggles RIP. I can't take to much stock in someone that didn't see the game today(sorry Duck) and someone that I am suprised is still here now that Kurt is gone. DA is and has been what he is. He has hit his ceiling. DRC has not and for you to say his play is like a bum on the street is dishonest. But then I have come to expect nothing less from you.

Please quote where I said he played like a bum on the street! Specifically stated that he can be really good at times and has. But today he was owned. That's just a fact. No beer goggles needed. He is not a shutdown cb and IMO he never will be. I'm not saying cut him. But his play today does/did not match his hype. Nothing more nothing less. You guys are the ones making excuses for him.

 

[Rats]

Please quote where I said he played like a bum on the street! Specifically stated that he can be really good at times and has. But today he was owned. That's just a fact. No beer goggles needed. He is not a shutdown cb and IMO he never will be. I'm not saying cut him. But his play today does/did not match his hype. Nothing more nothing less. You guys are the ones making excuses for him.

I disagree, he was not owned today. Alot of the D was and I think you are seeing what you want to see. He had a couple of tough plays and got called for penalties. but he was doing as well as any DB out there with no pressure on the Qb and it is dishonest to say he should never let a guy get the ball in that situation. The Dline never got off the bus today and put the secondary behind the 8ball.

 

[Duckjake]

He is pretty young though and has developed quite well. He is 24 years old. Younger than Toler. You talk about him like he is a bad player. He has been to the pro bowl and yes that is an accomplishment. To be in a class with AW? May never be but that does not make him a bad pick. Hoping for a big year from him this year. Another pro bowl and more confidence when going for the big play. With that I am more than fine with him.

DRC is a good player and was a good pick. What corners are better than him at his age or younger in the NFL right now? Name them.

48 tackles 6 Interceptions and 25 pdfs in his second year?

BTW: those are very similar #s to what AW put up as a rookie in '91 and DRCs rookie stats, 42 tackles, 4INT and 19 pdfs are about what AW did his 2nd year. And remember that Whis holds the rookies back so his first year could have been even better.

Unfortunately they didn't keep the passes defended stats back then so I don't have them for AW.

Don't bother with the "he needs to do it longer reply" I understand that but right now the third year DRC is comparable to the third year Aeneas Williams in my book.

But he needs to understand that he can't slack off like he did today and against the Rams last week the bum.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Arizona needs medical marijuana and being a Cardinals fan should be enough to warrant a perscription. This board needs to chill out sometimes, especially the nuclear meltdowns when we lose.

 

[187]

DRC is expected to lock down which ever player he is lined up against. That is the expectation when you are a player of his caliber. When he doesn't do that, it is a very bad thing for our defense. Simple Truths. Paris Lenon getting dominated WILL happen, you can live with that. DRC getting thrown on all day should NEVER happen, and we can't win defensively when it happens.

The last time I checked there are 11 players on defense, a successful D does not hinge on the play of one cornerback. When Darnell Dockett or Calais Campbell or Joey Porter don't get to the QB it's bad for our D. When Lenon and DW get ran over by every RB in the backfield because our DL isn't eating up blockers it's bad for our D. DRC is going to have off games, hell Darrelle Revis Christ got lit by Randy Moss today and he's supposed to be unbeatable. DRC is not in the same class as aso/woodson/revis but to all of the sudden act like he's a mediocre corner that's the next DeAngelo Hall is a freaking joke. He's got two years under his belt and was easily a top 10 cover corner last year (closer to top 5) and all of the sudden he's not going to amount to anything special?

DRC had a bad day, but so did everyone else on the team yet somehow DRC is always the whipping boy. He must have pissed in everyone's oatmeal after he got signed by us.

 

[PJ1]

48 tackles 6 Interceptions and 25 pdfs in his second year?

BTW: those are very similar #s to what AW put up as a rookie in '91 and DRCs rookie stats, 42 tackles, 4INT and 19 pdfs are about what AW did his 2nd year. And remember that Whis holds the rookies back so his first year could have been even better.

Unfortunately they didn't keep the passes defended stats back then so I don't have them for AW.

Don't bother with the "he needs to do it longer reply" I understand that but right now the third year DRC is comparable to the third year Aeneas Williams in my book.

But he needs to understand that he can't slack off like he did today and against the Rams last week the bum.

I love the guy so you don't need to convince me. AW was a much better tackler than DRC will ever be. I still believe DRC will get better. Simply put he is the least of our problems on D.

 

[freebyrd]

Give it a freaking rest. Roddy White had 7 catches, 78 yards, a TD, with his only big play coming an inch away from a DRC pick. That's a whopping 11 ypc. That does not warrant melt-down mode and calling him DeAngelo Hall or Antonio Cromartie. The kid is going to be fine. I remember you all crapping yourselves at the start of last season and he went to the pro bowl.

It starts with the pass rush, something we didn't have.

thank you, shane isn't there a speed trap you should be setting up somewhere?

 

[freebyrd]

He's not? He's supposed to be this awesome shutdown CB. Do you really think he's not that good? If so, would you care to explain why you don't think he's the player AW was?

But anyway the player comparison was only in your head. The real point is that great players, and DRC is supposed to be a great player, play well regardless of the circumstances and the talent around them.

I don't see people here pick out players they don't like and criticize them for no reason. Most of the posters here pick out players who had bad games and criticize them.

not true shane just tries to annoy and juice the board for giggles i knew someone in high school who he reminds me of, real instigator , never got in a fight but caused countless of them with his little bitching and back biting

his whole offseason/preseason "i want leinert to win the job ploy" and then giggling with glee when he was cut and anderson got the job was as transparent as glass.
just an instigator, maybe the board sends him a share of advertising revenue to try and increase traffic, who knows? half the time he doesn't believe what he says, and if he doe's i feel sorry for anybody that has contact with the dude,
in fact i am putting him on ignore if we have that feature which is what most everyone finally decided to do to the dude in highschool

 

[dreamcastrocks]

not true shane just tries to annoy and juice the board for giggles i knew someone in high school who he reminds me of, real instigator , never got in a fight but caused countless of them with his little bitching and back biting

his whole offseason/preseason "i want leinert to win the job ploy" and then giggling with glee when he was cut and anderson got the job was as transparent as glass.
just an instigator, maybe the board sends him a share of advertising revenue to try and increase traffic, who knows? half the time he doesn't believe what he says, and if he doe's i feel sorry for anybody that has contact with the dude,
in fact i am putting him on ignore if we have that feature which is what most everyone finally decided to do to the dude in highschool

watch it.

 

[earthsci]

Call out Shane is a joke. He is here through good times and bad. He might be strong with his opinions but he loves the team. Why don't you pay attention to the posters who are no where to be found until things get bad and the Ken Whisenhunt lynching party starts forming?