Duh'mare

[cobbler]

see, I don't think he was thinking "highlight". I think he just WASN'T THINKING. He's an animal out there who plays on sheer adrenaline/athleticism and that's what keeps him from being an elite player. He doesn't have the cerebral game to go with his talent.

Agreed... that's pretty much what i was implying by the word "highlight". Nott that he was thinking im going to show some flash...but just plain im taking it to him and ill show em attitude.

good call

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Its 1 ****ing bad play. Ive seen everyone on this team make a play like that in clutch situations this year. A lot of you need to grow up and stop acting like *******. It really is pathetic to read a thread that insults one of our players instead of just criticizing them.

I have tried posting here but there are way too many extreme fans here (total homers or negative nancys).

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

This series is nowhere near being over. Amare and others still have time to redeem themselves. Lets wait and see what happens. I for one KNOW I'm thankful we even have a player like Amare.

 

[SunAndDone]

How about a little credit ?

Tim has had his troubles with Shaq in the past but the dude was nails today:

40 pts / 15 rebs / A friggin 3 ptr to send the game to 2 OT ? That was pretty special. I just want to know why Tony Parker was on Nash. Nobody frustrates that guy like Bowen. Hack a Shaq was a brilliant and uncharacteristic coaching move by Pop. He never plays that game...But pts weren't coming easy and we needed everything we could get.

Finley's three was redemption for missing the open shot the possesion before. Damn, what a game.
Manu was good but he was still not himself. I'm wondering if he is still sore from his regular season groin strain.

 

[hafey]

Everyone knows that all Thomas can do is take a charge. That was all he was doing in the 4th quarter, waiting for Suns to run into him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its 1 ****ing bad play. Ive seen everyone on this team make a play like that in clutch situations this year. A lot of you need to grow up and stop acting like *******. It really is pathetic to read a thread that insults one of our players instead of just criticizing them.

I have tried posting here but there are way too many extreme fans here (total homers or negative nancys).

what's one bad play? Not showing on the Finley three? Picking up horrific ticky-tack 5th fouls? Barreling into KT? Getting yourself suspended for an entire game? It's not about just today, it's about a continuining trend that I hoped had gone away but becomes more and more disturbing the bigger the game gets.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

what's one bad play? Not showing on the Finley three? Picking up horrific ticky-tack 5th fouls? Barreling into KT? Getting yourself suspended for an entire game? It's not about just today, it's about a continuining trend that I hoped had gone away but becomes more and more disturbing the bigger the game gets.

OMG he makes mistakes. WOW

Everyone of the Suns players including Nash has made stupid plays all year long. Why no thread about Barbosa being dumb? Why no thread about Diaw being dumb? Why no thread when Nash has one of those games where he turns it over all the time late in the game? WHy no thread about Dantoni blowing this game? Why no thread about Nash letting his guy go by him every time? Whats the point of calling him dumb? Lets not forget that we wouldnt be in this position w/o Amare.

I just love how you are ignoring everything good he does and pointing out every mistake hes made in the big games.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

OMG he makes mistakes. WOW

Everyone of the Suns players including Nash has made stupid plays all year long. Why no thread about Barbosa being dumb? Why no thread about Diaw being dumb? Why no thread when Nash has one of those games where he turns it over all the time late in the game? WHy no thread about Dantoni blowing this game? Why no thread about Nash letting his guy go by him every time? Whats the point of calling him dumb? Lets not forget that we wouldnt be in this position w/o Amare.

I just love how you are ignoring everything good he does and pointing out every mistake hes made in the big games.

Basically expectations.

Everyone knows Diaw is a *****

Barbosa is untouchable because people like him and like his lame story about being it with a stick (AKA the Dave McGinnis effect)

Nash's mistakes are off limits because he is the guy all the fans relate too.

Amare is a lightning rod because he is essentially the best player talent wise on the floor and the only chance the suns have.

D'antoni and his family (AKA the suns coaching staff) are not offlimits by any means.

I guess it comes with the territory.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OMG he makes mistakes. WOW

Everyone of the Suns players including Nash has made stupid plays all year long. Why no thread about Barbosa being dumb?

because we expect it out of Barbs and he's not our best player (and believe me, there's probably been numerous threads).

Why no thread about Diaw being dumb?

because we expect it out of Diaw and he's not our best player (and believe me, there's probably been numerous threads).

Why no thread when Nash has one of those games where he turns it over all the time late in the game?

because Nash is 34 and I expect him to be worn down at this point and at this point, he's not our best player.

WHy no thread about Dantoni blowing this game?

because I've said DA isn't a great coach too many times to count and it's a given that in a close game against the Spurs he will get out coached by Pop.

Why no thread about Nash letting his guy go by him every time?

because it's a given and has been for years.

Whats the point of calling him dumb?

what's the point of anything written on this board. I've come to a realization and sharing it with people, like everyone else does on this board. it's not for everyone to like, but it's my right to write it.

I just love how you are ignoring everything good he does and pointing out every mistake hes made in the big games.

how am I ignoring everything good he does? I've said countless times that the guy is an absolute beast offensively. And I wouldn't have gone into the du'mare list if you hadn't projected the notion of him making "ONE MISTAKE!" on to the discussion. You said people were freaking out over one mistake and then I listed a bunch of mistakes in big games to show that people were pissed about the sum of Amare's mistakes and today was just the latest example. In the biggest games, you just can't have lapses like he does over and over again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Basically expectations.

Everyone knows Diaw is a *****

Barbosa is untouchable because people like him and like his lame story about being it with a stick (AKA the Dave McGinnis effect)

dude, Barbs takes it on the chin more often than you give the fans credit for. He doesn't get the same treatment (especially this year) because he's almost morphed into Boris part Deux.

Nash's mistakes are off limits because he is the guy all the fans relate too.

Nash is immune from it because he saved the franchise, nothing more, nothing less. With or without Amare Nash has been balls to the wall and gives everything he can.

Amare is a lightning rod because he is essentially the best player talent wise on the floor and the only chance the suns have.

he's our best player - of course he's going to be the lighting rod. it's what happens in all sport.

 

[Joe Mama]

I've been one of the biggest Amare Stoudemire critics around here for quite awhile. Maybe because we constantly see these kind of mistakes from Amare and I have a hard time placing so much blame on him. And mean he's an amazing offensive player, right up there with Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, but he's a very average rebounder and a below average defender. But there's plenty of blame to go around here.

Mike D'Antoni - I know it's easy to second-guess, but for the life of me I will never understand why with a three-point lead you don't send a bad free-throw shooting team to the line. I don't even care if it was Gino who had the ball. They could have taken 5-7 seconds off the clock, send him to the line, and gotten the ball into Steve Nash. I mean fool me once shame on you, but come on. Michael Finley took a great shot at the end of regulation. Amare Stoudemire should have stepped out, but why is Barbosa in the game at that point? I would much prefer Grant Hill or even better Giriceck.

Steve Nash - I know it's ridiculous to expect him to make every free-throw, but that one was painful.

Boris Diaw - I thought he defended Tim Duncan about as well as could be expected. Overall I would never complain about the referees today, but I did think he picked up some BS fouls. That said, Boris has the same fear of contact that afflicted Shawn Marion. This guy could go to the free-throw line over and over and over if he wasn't so afraid of getting touched. It probably was a foul on Tim Duncan at the end of the double-overtime, but the referees are not going to give it to someone who is trying so hard to avoid the contact.

Raja - how could you allow Gino to go to his left on that final drive to the basket?

Overall they just allowed far too many easy drives to the basket. There were far too many stupid fouls and too many mistakes. That said, I think they'll win the next one close.

Joe

 

[Cheesebeef]

7 rebounds in 45 minutes is pathetic as well. I don't know how you could defend that.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Raja - how could you allow Gino to go to his left on that final drive to the basket?


Joe

Did you Tivo it? Watch it again, Raja takes his eye off ginobli for a split second looking back at his help, and Ginobli blew by him.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I am very okay with looking to deal Amare at the end of the season, his stock will never be higher. I also would like to see him flourish under a different staff.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am very okay with looking to deal Amare at the end of the season, his stock will never be higher. I also would like to see him flourish under a different staff.

assuming we see him continue making the same kind of mental mistakes and we lose this series as a result (or any time in the playoffs) i'm actually okay with either as well. continuing him under DA's tutelage means he'll never ascend to the type of guy he needs to an CAN be.

 

[SirStefan32]

Amare isn't Tim Duncan in the basketball IQ department, but if he was he would be the best player of all time, without question, not even a contest. You shouldn't expect everything from one guy.

Nobody is asking him to be Tim Duncan in the basketball IQ department. We are just asking for him to be a little bit more intelligent than a doorknob.

 

[SirStefan32]

I can't blame Amare for this, he is what he is - a beast. He isn't a genius or floor leader, he scores a lot and blocks some shots. He did that well today. A couple of the calls on him were BS.

The loss can fall squarely on the moronic coaching staff which twice failed to foul up 3 in the closing seconds, letting the Spurs hit two game tying threes. If D'Antoni isn't fired after this season, I won't be rooting for them any longer.

If D/Antoni tells them not to foul, they have to overrule him and foul anyway- that's all there is to it. While coach may be an idiot, players should not get a free pass.

 

[SirStefan32]

Amare DOES need to be smarter, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you want your best player taking the shot at the end. And Amare CLEARLY was our best player out there besides Nash, who was being mauled pretty much every time he had the ball in the 2 OT's.

I don't think anybody has a problem with Amare taking a shot in crunch time. We simply have a problem with him goring defenders like an angry Rhinoceros. He could have passed the ball outside, he could have dropped it to Shaq for an easy dunk, he could have taken a jumper, he could have held the ball, but no, he gores Kurt Thomas who is just standing there.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I don't think anybody has a problem with Amare taking a shot in crunch time. We simply have a problem with him goring defenders like an angry Rhinoceros. He could have passed the ball outside, he could have dropped it to Shaq for an easy dunk, he could have taken a jumper, he could have held the ball, but no, he gores Kurt Thomas who is just standing there.

Where are the threads complaining about Amare "going in like a Rhinocerous" when he is posterizing people?

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

I am very okay with looking to deal Amare at the end of the season, his stock will never be higher. I also would like to see him flourish under a different staff.

I really hope you are joking? WHy would we even THINK about trading him?

 

[jagu]

Amare had an easy wide open jumper and took an offensive foul trying to dunk on Thomas. Me n my friend just put our heads down in shame. If Amare made that shot, the game was over. Why the eff is Boris Diaw getting last minute shots? That too fadeaways? Anyhow if the Spurs are expecting to beat the Suns on Tim Duncan buzzer beaters, think again. Suns in 5 as predicted.

 

[jagu]

The Suns have a habit of going weak on offense late in games it seems. I really don't trust them in close games and I really don't think anyone on our team can step up and make a clutch shot. I just hope it doesn't come down to this.

 

[Joe Mama]

The one guy I would have traded Amare Stoudemire for is playing in Boston and off the market. I don't think they should trade him, and I don't think there's any chance they will trade him.

Joe

 

[SirStefan32]

Where are the threads complaining about Amare "going in like a Rhinocerous" when he is posterizing people?

OMG, why is this so difficult to understand? I don't care if he runs over people in the restricted area. He is ok as long as he doesn't gore defenders standing outside the restricted area. If Thomas was in the restricted area, I wouldn't care if Amare took his head off.

He could have held the ball, he could have taken a jumper, he could have passed it outside for a 3 point shot, he could have dropped the ball to Shaq for an easy dunk. But no, he had to gore a stationary defender.

I am sorry, but Amare Stoudemire lost the game for the Suns, and that's all there is to it.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Cheesebeef,

I understand and agree with most of the points you make but insulting him by calling him Duh'mare is not needed. You can criticize without going over the top. Calling him stupid is not needed. Sure he makes some dumb plays that piss me of but the guy is trying to be a leader and trying to learn from his mistakes. This is a guy that grew up in a horrible situation and has overcome all that. If you listen to the way he talks now, hes matured so much. Might not have the best basketball iq but I do see him make good decsions sometimes. We cant always except him to be as smart as Duncan. Lets rememeber hes only 25 and has gotten smarter since his rookie year.