Ed Hochuli

[nashman]

Cheese thinks we got jobbed once in this game that's all lol wow you should go work for the NFL if you think we only got jobbed once. That's all I'm gonna say in the matter people who watched know we got screwed more than once in that game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Campbell was blatantly being held cheese so yeah it should have been a safety!

what are you talking about blatant hold? He was stiffed by two guys double-teaming and Campbell WASN'T EVEN IN THE ENDZONE.

And floyds TD that was called back was not offensive pi, and if we get the pi when the guy raped Floyd its first and goal from the 1 so yeah we could have been up by multiple scores not sure what game you watched.

I watched the game where BOTH of those plays happened on the SAME drive. One of which was questionable as Floyd looked like he was blocking. But even if that was a penalty, you can't get 14 points for the SAME FREAKING DRIVE. We got 3 on the drive and should have had 7. That would have given us a whopping 14-3 lead instead of 10-3. Whoop-dee-freaking-do!

And if you don't think the steelers online holding all day with zero calls contributed to their success your nuts. I can't even count all the times guys were getting pulled by their jerseys with 0 calls!

lol... yeah, because our vaunted pass rush which has two sacks on the season was completely screwed by the refs in not getting to the QB... like they haven't been able to do all season.

we were down 15-10 and blew a TD. We were down 18-13 and threw another terrible pick. You're going to face adversity on the road. Good teams find ways to overcome it. We choked like dogs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese thinks we got jobbed once in this game that's all lol wow you should go work for the NFL if you think we only got jobbed once. That's all I'm gonna say in the matter people who watched know we got screwed more than once in that game.

I think we got jobbed three times (Vick's late hit... which netted the Steelers ZERO points) and got jobbed twice on the SAME drive (the Floyd plays) in which we also could have scored if Palmer didn't throw a pass right in the dirt to a wide-open Brown. On a drive we still scored 3 points. So, we didn't get 7 there... a net loss of 4 points in a game against a team with a mediocre defense, a terrible backup QB who couldn't even finish the game and a 3RD QB playing his first game ever who lit us up.

But keep on crying that the refs are the reason we lost, instead of the 3 turnovers, missing a FG, screwing up another drive where we couldn't even get a FG because Massie's ******* got a personal foul pushing us out of FG range and letting a 3RD stringer light us up. But yeah, it was all the refs.

 

[Dude]

I think we got jobbed three times (Vick's late hit... which netted the Steelers ZERO points) and got jobbed twice on the SAME drive (the Floyd plays) in which we also could have scored if Palmer didn't throw a pass right in the dirt to a wide-open Brown. On a drive we still scored 3 points. So, we didn't get 7 there... a net loss of 4 points in a game against a team with a mediocre defense, a terrible backup QB who couldn't even finish the game and a 3RD QB playing his first game ever who lit us up.

But keep on crying that the refs are the reason we lost, instead of the 3 turnovers, missing a FG, screwing up another drive where we couldn't even get a FG because Massie's ******* got a personal foul pushing us out of FG range and letting a 3RD stringer light us up. But yeah, it was all the refs.

You forgot this wasn't a catch his butt was out.

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Same as the Rams game as I see it. Should have closed the door. Hell even the announcers were saying it the whole first half.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You forgot this wasn't a catch his butt was out.

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Same as the Rams game as I see it. Should have closed the door. Hell even the announcers were saying it the whole first half.

his knee is down. that's all you need for a catch.

 

[Buckybird]

his knee is down. that's all you need for a catch.

Again show me in the NFL rule book where one knee equals 2 feet or a butt equals 2 feet.

I know years ago this Maddenism was created, but I've still yet to see it listed in the rules. Unless I'm blind I can't find it being part of a catch.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again show me in the NFL rule book where one knee equals 2 feet or a butt equals 2 feet.

I know years ago this Maddenism was created, but I've still yet to see it listed in the rules. Unless I'm blind I can't find it being part of a catch.

We got that call a couple weeks ago with Brown. Didn't hear anyone question it then. Everyone who was silent then and bitching now is just being hypocritical.

Get over it. That's a catch and has been a catch forever.

Not just that, but the ACTUAL rule states that if ANY body part besides your hands or feet hit in bounds, it's a catch. So, here we have shin, knee and butt touching first, thus... It's a TD. Like it's always been.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-060111askjerrymarkbreit-story.html

 

[GatorAZ]

The exact same thing happened tonight on the Colts first touchdown. One foot and one knee. Of course the difference being it was reviewed.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Again show me in the NFL rule book where one knee equals 2 feet or a butt equals 2 feet.

I know years ago this Maddenism was created, but I've still yet to see it listed in the rules. Unless I'm blind I can't find it being part of a catch.

That is common knowledge. Once a knee hits the ground the player is down.

 

[jbeecham]

Guys, you're wasting your time arguing with Cheese over officiating... I did it for years on the Suns board. He will never blame officials for any loss (no matter how badly they screw us) because he sees it as being weak. To him, it's something crybabies do. We could have 99 penalties for 600+ yards called against us in a single game (while our opponents have only 3 penalties for 15 yards) & he would still say that the players should've overcome all of that & it's on the players.

He'll never understand (or at least he'll pretend he doesn't) the mental breakdown that happens when you're constantly getting screwed over by officials all day long. He thinks the players should always be mentally tough enough to win despite anything.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Guys, you're wasting your time arguing with Cheese over officiating... I did it for years on the Suns board. He will never blame officials for any loss (no matter how badly they screw us) because he sees it as being weak. To him, it's something crybabies do. We could have 99 penalties for 600+ yards called against us in a single game & he would still say that the players should've overcome all of that & it's on the players.

He'll never understand (or at least he'll pretend he doesn't) the mental breakdown that happens when you're constantly getting screwed over by officials all day long. He thinks the players should always be mentally tough enough to win despite anything.

lol... you bitch about the officiating IN EVERY GAME (as does Nashman). And I think CHAMPIONSHIP players should be mentally tough enough to overcome a couple bad calls.

If your team can't overcome adversity when it's FULLY WITHIN THEIR CONTROL to do, that means they're mentally weak. Plain and simple. We had that MULTIPLE chances to do that and blew it three straight times (Floyd's toe-drag, Palmer's pick and then lying down and dying on an 88 yard TD). The officials had NOTHING to do with any of those plays and if we were "mentally worn down" by that point... with the GAME STILL ON THE LINE, then it's speaks volumes about the mental makeup of the team.

 

[Sandan]

No call at end of 2nd qtr

 

[Cheesebeef]

No call at end of 2nd qtr

whoa... when was that? How has NO ONE mentioned that play?!?!!?

 

[Rivercard]

If your team can't overcome adversity when it's FULLY WITHIN THEIR CONTROL to do, that means they're mentally weak. Plain and simple.

When did you become psychologist?

 

[Sandan]

whoa... when was that? How has NO ONE mentioned that play?!?!!?

Floyd missed a catch in the back on the end zone, now we see why he was late to the ball

It's in the last 2 mins

 

[Cheesebeef]

Floyd missed a catch in the back on the end zone, now we see why he was late to the ball

but he didn't miss the catch Nidan. Watch the play again, it hits him PERFECTLY and he doesn't hold on to it. He didn't have to stretch to get it or anything. He just drops the ball. Hell, it almost seems like the hold made him perfectly align for the ball (still a penalty, but that ball hit him perfectly anyway).

 

[Sandan]

That's the point it should clearly have been 1st down on the 1 yd line.

It's not about it he could/should have caught it

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's the point it should clearly have been 1st down on the 1 yd line.

It's not about it he could/should have caught it

you're right... it should been 1st down at the 1. But he also could have easily caught the ball instead of dropping it which means the point is it should have been a TOUCHDOWN. Great teams makes great plays. We didn't do that yesterday when given the opportunity, which makes a lot of us question the idea how good we are.

 

[TJ]

lol... you bitch about the officiating IN EVERY GAME (as does Nashman). And I think CHAMPIONSHIP players should be mentally tough enough to overcome a couple bad calls.

If your team can't overcome adversity when it's FULLY WITHIN THEIR CONTROL to do, that means they're mentally weak. Plain and simple. We had that MULTIPLE chances to do that and blew it three straight times (Floyd's toe-drag, Palmer's pick and then lying down and dying on an 88 yard TD). The officials had NOTHING to do with any of those plays and if we were "mentally worn down" by that point... with the GAME STILL ON THE LINE, then it's speaks volumes about the mental makeup of the team.

Overall, the team is mentally tough. We can pick out aspects of any game we've played, including the victories, and come up with generalizations, but overall, I like the mental makeup of this team. I think this team's biggest issues are defensive adjustments and Arians, Goodwin, and Palmer not being ultra aggressive at all times. Those are more tactical than mental.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Overall, the team is mentally tough. We can pick out aspects of any game we've played, including the victories, and come up with generalizations, but overall, I like the mental makeup of this team. I think this team's biggest issues are defensive adjustments and Arians, Goodwin, and Palmer not being ultra aggressive at all times. Those are more tactical than mental.

man, I hope you're right. I just don't see the toughness yet. They look like front-runners, who can pour it on with the best of them when things are going well, but get super tight in the testes once punched in the mouth. last year's team was BEYOND mentally tough. They owned the fourth quarter, until they started playing with their 3rd QB. This team hasn't shown any of that grit yet.

 

[Sandan]

you're right... it should been 1st down at the 1. But he also could have easily caught the ball instead of dropping it which means the point is it should have been a TOUCHDOWN. Great teams makes great plays. We didn't do that yesterday when given the opportunity, which makes a lot of us question the idea how good we are.

No argument from me on this

 

[Capital Card]

No call at end of 2nd qtr

Cant recall (mentally blocking it out, no doubt) but was this the play where Floyd got called for OPI, or the play where he dropped the pass a play or two later?

Was waiting for someone to post this image. Drove me crazy in the game that it wasn't called.

Go Cards!!!

 

[jbeecham]

lol... you bitch about the officiating IN EVERY GAME (as does Nashman). And I think CHAMPIONSHIP players should be mentally tough enough to overcome a couple bad calls.

If your team can't overcome adversity when it's FULLY WITHIN THEIR CONTROL to do, that means they're mentally weak. Plain and simple. We had that MULTIPLE chances to do that and blew it three straight times (Floyd's toe-drag, Palmer's pick and then lying down and dying on an 88 yard TD). The officials had NOTHING to do with any of those plays and if we were "mentally worn down" by that point... with the GAME STILL ON THE LINE, then it's speaks volumes about the mental makeup of the team.

The way I see it, you hold the players to extremely high standards... the QB should always make the correct read & throw, receivers should catch every ball, players should never make mistakes or else they don't deserve to win the game. You don't hold the refs to these same standards... they're being paid to do a job at the game just like the players (supposedly a fair, unbiased job), but you bash anyone that criticizes them or claims they contributed to a loss.

The way I saw the game yesterday was a tale of two halves... completely pro-Steelers by the refs in the 1st half (keeping it close) & then pretty fair in the 2nd half. The Cards dominated the stats in the 1st half, but something always kept them from cashing in for TDs (penalties, lack of penalties, TOs, drops, bad throws, poor decisions). The Cards played like crap in the 2nd half and let a 3rd string QB roll over them without getting any pressure on him at all. They did hold them to a few FG attempts, but their offense couldn't capitalize.

The 1 play I haven't seen anyone mention yet was the John Brown fumble... He's in the process of getting tackled & going to the ground when James Harrison dives into him helmet first & hits him with helmet-to-helmet contact & then clubs him with a forearm to the chin & knocks his helmet off. John Brown still is able to recover the ball until 6-7 Steelers pile on top of him & rip it away. In an interview, JB said he didn't even want to talk about all of the horrible things they did to him at the bottom of that pile. There are so many rules now about preventing hits to a players head... how is there no personal foul on this play? All turnovers are supposed to be reviewed automatically, but of course they're not allowed to apply a penalty they see on replay if they didn't flag it in the game (another BS rule that tells me the NFL doesn't give a crap about the integrity of the game or getting the call right if it affects the length of the game)Cardinals John Brown fumbles, Steelers recover - NFL Videos

 

[nashman]

I've complained about officiating in 2 games cheese and rightfully so as both were very poorly officiated. It's funny you hold the players and coaches to such a high standard, but how dare we question the terrible officiating league wide! Of course I want the cardinals to be mentally tough enough to overcome this crap, but at the same time it seems like we are on the wrong side of this crap too often! The calls that go against us don't go against the marquee teams which just makes the league look suspect, like they have a clear agenda.

 

[Sandan]

The way I see it, you hold the players to extremely high standards... the QB should always make the correct read & throw, receivers should catch every ball, players should never make mistakes or else they don't deserve to win the game. You don't hold the refs to these same standards... they're being paid to do a job at the game just like the players (supposedly a fair, unbiased job), but you bash anyone that criticizes them or claims they contributed to a loss.

The way I saw the game yesterday was a tale of two halves... completely pro-Steelers by the refs in the 1st half (keeping it close) & then pretty fair in the 2nd half. The Cards dominated the stats in the 1st half, but something always kept them from cashing in for TDs (penalties, lack of penalties, TOs, drops, bad throws, poor decisions). The Cards played like crap in the 2nd half and let a 3rd string QB roll over them without getting any pressure on him at all. They did hold them to a few FG attempts, but their offense couldn't capitalize.

The 1 play I haven't seen anyone mention yet was the John Brown fumble... He's in the process of getting tackled & going to the ground when James Harrison dives into him helmet first & hits him with helmet-to-helmet contact & then clubs him with a forearm to the chin & knocks his helmet off. John Brown still is able to recover the ball until 6-7 Steelers pile on top of him & rip it away. In an interview, JB said he didn't even want to talk about all of the horrible things they did to him at the bottom of that pile. There are so many rules now about preventing hits to a players head... how is there no personal foul on this play? All turnovers are supposed to be reviewed automatically, but of course they're not allowed to apply a penalty they see on replay if they didn't flag it in the game (another BS rule that tells me the NFL doesn't give a crap about the integrity of the game or getting the call right if it affects the length of the game)Cardinals John Brown fumbles, Steelers recover - NFL Videos

No, he is hit in the shoulder not helmet