Ed Hochuli

[pinetopred]

that's fine. I was talking about people making a stink about what was an obvious TD because... ah, forget it.

I agree

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again, the foot and shin were down inbounds before his butt hits the white. As long as he possesses the ball the butt is irrelevant.

Freeze the very last frame before the video ends.

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/watch...t-pittsburgh-steelers-week-6-on-nfl-live-3_ae

not just that, but his KNEE is down and one knee equals two feet. It's pretty clear. I mean, seriously, if you're going to complain about the refs, complaining about things that aren't even up for discussion just makes the entire discussion itself look stupid.

 

[Buckybird]

Again, the foot and shin were down inbounds before his butt hits the white. As long as he possesses the ball the butt is irrelevant.

Freeze the very last frame before the video ends.

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/watch-oh-my-martavis-about-nfl-arizona-cardinals-at-pittsburgh-steelers-week-6-on-nfl-live-3_ae

Dude this is the NFL not college football. It's the same leg so it's not a TD

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude this is the NFL not college football. It's the same leg so it's not a TD

one knee equals two feet in the NFL Buck. he had that. it's a TD.

 

[GatorAZ]

Dude this is the NFL not college football. It's the same leg so it's not a TD

Doesn't matter whether it's the same leg or not. That's a TD in college or the NFL.

May be a crap rule but it's the rule.

 

[Buckybird]

one knee equals two feet in the NFL Buck. he had that. it's a TD.

I know the old Madden adage. But I'm curious where that myth is a rule in the NFL book. I've looked & never seen it in the rules unless I'm blind.

 

[Shaggy]

Do each ref stick with each other? So same group refs together throughout the season?

 

[Cardiac]

When two equalish NFL teams face off it typically is a tale of two halves. One team has the better game plan coming in and get's off to a better start than the other team.

Then half time adjustment are made and the other team starts catching up because of the adjustments they have made.

The Cards had the better game plan coming in and without the crazy amount of pitiful calls against them would have been up by 14 to 21 points by halftime. Momentum is a huge thing in the NFL and the refs kept taking ours away.

What did disappoint me besides the crappy refs was the let down in the 2nd half by the D. Even with the crappy refs we could have and should have won this game if the D wasn't crapping the bed. I still think that if we had that commanding lead we should have had we still win the game but it shows a weakness we didn't pull it out anyways.

 

[Buckybird]

When two equalish NFL teams face off it typically is a tale of two halves. One team has the better game plan coming in and get's off to a better start than the other team.

Then half time adjustment are made and the other team starts catching up because of the adjustments they have made.

The Cards had the better game plan coming in and without the crazy amount of pitiful calls against them would have been up by 14 to 21 points by halftime. Momentum is a huge thing in the NFL and the refs kept taking ours away.

What did disappoint me besides the crappy refs was the let down in the 2nd half by the D. Even with the crappy refs we could have and should have won this game if the D wasn't crapping the bed. I still think that if we had that commanding lead we should have had we still win the game but it shows a weakness we didn't pull it out anyways.

Yep

But I still say the worst thing that could've happened, happened & that was Vick getting hurt. I said it to my girl when the former OU qb came into the game. Vick is a horrible passer & it bit us in this ass because they weren't winning that game with him in the lineup IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When two equalish NFL teams face off it typically is a tale of two halves. One team has the better game plan coming in and get's off to a better start than the other team.

Then half time adjustment are made and the other team starts catching up because of the adjustments they have made.

The Cards had the better game plan coming in and without the crazy amount of pitiful calls against them would have been up by 14 to 21 points by halftime. Momentum is a huge thing in the NFL and the refs kept taking ours away.

What did disappoint me besides the crappy refs was the let down in the 2nd half by the D. Even with the crappy refs we could have and should have won this game if the D wasn't crapping the bed. I still think that if we had that commanding lead we should have had we still win the game but it shows a weakness we didn't pull it out anyways.

how would we have been up by 14 or 21? The refs didn't make Catman miss a FG. The bad roughing penalty didn't net the Steelers any points. And even if we get the PI call, that at best puts us up 14-3... and we shouldn't have needed that PI if Palmer didn't throw a ball in the dirt that was a wide open TD to Brown on the play earlier.

and if the Steelers with Mike Vick is equalish to us, it's debatable if we're even good, much less "elite".

 

[Cardiac]

how would we have been up by 14 or 21? The refs didn't make Catman miss a FG. The bad roughing penalty didn't net the Steelers any points. And even if we get the PI call, that at best puts us up 14-3... and we shouldn't have needed that PI if Palmer didn't throw a ball in the dirt that was a wide open TD to Brown on the play earlier.

and if the Steelers with Mike Vick is equalish to us, it's debatable if we're even good, much less "elite".

My mind is self healing at this point and wiping this game from my memory (maybe it's the vodka) but wasn't the BS PI call on MF in the 1st half as well as the non PI call against MF? Simply way too many bad calls or non calls that it's hard to keep track off them all.

Fair point about Vick at QB being equalish to us, home field advantage and the Steelers do have a ton of talent other wise?

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

What NFL really stands for...

NO FAIR LEAGUE...Been sayin' it for over 45+ years now. They see what they want to see. PERIOD! Protect the integrity of the league? Yeah, riiiiiiggghhhttt! What integrity??

Mark

Still, at 4-2 we're in pretty good shape.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My mind is self healing at this point and wiping this game from my memory (maybe it's the vodka) but wasn't the BS PI call on MF in the 1st half as well as the non PI call against MF? Simply way too many bad calls or non calls that it's hard to keep track off them all.

Fair point about Vick at QB being equalish to us, home field advantage and the Steelers do have a ton of talent other wise?

If you literally have no QB, all the talent in the world doesn't matter. The 2014 Cardinals were proof of that. Vick is awful and his backup is HIS BACKUP and we made that guy look like a Pro Bowler.

And they don't have a ton of talent on D and still turned us over 3 times, while we turned them over zero times.

Refs weren't good, our performance was worse against a bad team without Big Ben.

 

[TJ]

Do each ref stick with each other? So same group refs together throughout the season?

Yes, until the playoffs. At which point the refs with the highest performance grades on the season are grouped together.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Agree with the OP's premise saying this is a global issue, not just Hochuli's crew. This problem is systemic, from part time refs, to the game being too fast, to instant replay, to some rules being judgement calls, to uneven enforcement of ever increasing rules, to whatever bias may exist, leaving losing fans disheartened and winning fans exuberant. Not to mention the gambling aspect of all this. No easy fix on the horizon.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

The helmet call in the end zone changed this entire game. It simply didn't happen and they went from 3rd and 14 at their own one to a first down. The 3rd down pressure would have been crushing at that time and Steelers might have had the fight taken out of them IMO.

 

[nashman]

Yeah cheese Floyd drops the non pi TD point is it's first and goal from the 1 if they make the ****ing right call? Is that that hard to understand, and if we don't get shafted so bad early we playing with a big lead the game plan is totally different. How anyone could not hold the refs hugely responsible for this loss I just don't understand. It's hard to win on the road early game in Pitt period but when the refs ****ing hose you all game on calls its metals impossible. And don't tell me there were no calls in the second half their were a few that kept their drives going when we had them stopped. Timely bs calls and non calls won this game period!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah cheese Floyd drops the non pi TD point is it's first and goal from the 1 if they make the ****ing right call? Is that that hard to understand, and if we don't get shafted so bad early we playing with a big lead the game plan is totally different. How anyone could not hold the refs hugely responsible for this loss I just don't understand. It's hard to win on the road early game in Pitt period but when the refs ****ing hose you all game on calls its metals impossible. And don't tell me there were no calls in the second half their were a few that kept their drives going when we had them stopped. Timely bs calls and non calls won this game period!

The refs didn't force us to miss a Fg. They didn't force us to fumble inside our 20. They didn't force us to give up 3rd and goal against a #3 QB. They didn't force Palmer to throw an awful
Pick down 5. And they didn't force us give up an 88 yard TD to a #3 QB. That's all on us. Game was had to be won regardless of refs and we sucked when it mattered most.

 

[nashman]

Oh I forgot cheese we would have ran the same plays and gameplan if we were up by 2 or 3 scores... Your right the game would have played out exactly the same if all the atrocious calls didn't go against us.. Give me a break! Your cherry picking plays that happened late after we were screwed over so much the players didn't ****ing care anymore. They knew we were getting hosed and couldn't do anything about it. Catch s TD and get called for a phantom offensive PI , get a should be safety sack and get a phantom helmet to helmet PF on Vick. The game was full of terrible calls and non calls, like the steelers line holding all ****ing day with zero holding calls! See it how you want but I watched with steelers fans that even said we were getting freaking hosed!

 

[PACardsFan]

Oh I forgot cheese we would have ran the same plays and gameplan if we were up by 2 or 3 scores... Your right the game would have played out exactly the same if all the atrocious calls didn't go against us.. Give me a break! Your cherry picking plays that happened late after we were screwed over so much the players didn't ****ing care anymore. They knew we were getting hosed and couldn't do anything about it. Catch s TD and get called for a phantom offensive PI , get a should be safety sack and get a phantom helmet to helmet PF on Vick. The game was full of terrible calls and non calls, like the steelers line holding all ****ing day with zero holding calls! See it how you want but I watched with steelers fans that even said we were getting freaking hosed!

I agree 100%. One of the worst officiated games I've seen. Living in PA, I watched the game with mostly Steelers fans. They chuckled almost all day. One of the worst calls was when Brown was interfered with, yet they called Veldheer for holding Harrison. Harrison clearly locked his arm under Veldheer's, causing both players to go down. Actually, very crafty move by Harrison & the a..hole got away with it. Why, because they are the Pittsburgh Steelers. Just plain disgusting. Teams like the Cardinals HAVE to win big in games like this, or the officials will affect just enough to turn it against them. That's precisely what happened today in Pittsburgh.

 

[nashman]

I'm with ya PA it was just ridiculous I was watching with a bunch of steelers fans and they were all almost ashamed they stole this game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh I forgot cheese we would have ran the same plays and gameplan if we were up by 2 or 3 scores... Your right the game would have played out exactly the same if all the atrocious calls didn't go against us.. Give me a break! Your cherry picking plays that happened late after we were screwed over so much the players didn't ****ing care anymore. They knew we were getting hosed and couldn't do anything about it. Catch s TD and get called for a phantom offensive PI , get a should be safety sack and get a phantom helmet to helmet PF on Vick. The game was full of terrible calls and non calls, like the steelers line holding all ****ing day with zero holding calls! See it how you want but I watched with steelers fans that even said we were getting freaking hosed!

Jesus... Now you're just making plays up. Safety sack is IMPOSSIBLE even if they don't call the late hit... BECAUSE HE GOT RID OF THE BALL.

I mean, if you can't even remember plays that ACTUALLY happened, I don't know what to tell you.

I just re watched the first half. We were jobbed out of 4 points. That's it. And if Palmer had just hit a wide
Open Brown or Floyd had actually CAUGHT an easy TD even with the no -call we would have. But 4 points is all the refs "cost" us. There was no 14 or 21 point lead to be had because we weren't finishing.

And again, if the players "didn't care anymore" with 3 minutes left and the ball driving and gave up, they're pathetic. Period.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Jesus... Now you're just making plays up. Safety sack is IMPOSSIBLE even if they don't call the late hit... BECAUSE HE GOT RID OF THE BALL.

I mean, if you can't even remember plays that ACTUALLY happened, I don't know what to tell you.

I just re watched the first half. We were jobbed out of 4 points. That's it. And if Palmer had just hit a wide
Open Brown or Floyd had actually CAUGHT an easy TD even with the no -call we would have. But 4 points is all the refs "cost" us. There was no 14 or 21 point lead to be had because we weren't finishing.

And again, if the players "didn't care anymore" with 3 minutes left and the ball driving and gave up, they're pathetic. Period.

It should have been a safety ,there was a blatant hold on that play.

 

[nashman]

Campbell was blatantly being held cheese so yeah it should have been a safety! And floyds TD that was called back was not offensive pi, and if we get the pi when the guy raped Floyd its first and goal from the 1 so yeah we could have been up by multiple scores not sure what game you watched. And if you don't think the steelers online holding all day with zero calls contributed to their success your nuts. I can't even count all the times guys were getting pulled by their jerseys with 0 calls!

 

[Cheesewater]

Calls were missed in the Cardinals favor as well.