Edge Could Be Gone -rumor-

[football karma]

Speaking of which the draft Justin Forsett bandwagon is now taking applications!

Just kidding, great college RB way too small for viable NFL RB.

hmmm-- smallish RB out of Cal who goes down on first contact...

that has worked out so well for the Cards before.





(and BTW-- I was a guy who was way on the JJ Arrington bandwagon before the draft, so go figure)

 

[82CardsGrad]

Who cares how edge feels. If he's unhappy splitting carries then he can either a) outperform the other back and get more carries or b) pout and watch his carries dwindle even further.

Would he be a cancer? Maybe, if we sucked. But if we didn't suck, nobody would care what he thought.

I dunno...I don't like coddling stars.

Who's talking about "coddling"?? I said cut his ass...

 

[conraddobler]

I really feel that someone like Whiz was in the loop on this one and if it happens it's because he's for it.

He did run one of the best running offenses in the league, I would assume if he's for this it's for some reason and so since I trust him I'd trust whatever he decides to do on this issue.

Edge is someone he's inherited, Edge isn't all that now, he's good but he's also not going to gash you for major yards, having said all that, you can't leave us with Shipp and Arrington and call that good, please don't do something that stupid.

 

[Scott MS]

Personally, I'm not going to get too excited over this rumor.

But, the problem with a superstar type guy like Edge is that he will probably not be content with sharing carries with a new back. I would prefer to draft somebody and let them battle it out in camp and share carries next season.

 

[joeshmo]

And yet he STILL says he wants to play a bigger role in the offense... If we draft or grab a high-profile FA that would then force us to split carries between Edge and the other dude, how will Edge feel then??
I think it boils down to this: Keep Edge and keep him as our feature back, who gets ALL of the carries... Or, cut his ass and bring in other, quicker backs... I just don't see Edge being happy if he's splitting carries...

When Edge was speaking about being more of a part of the offense he was talking in the context of abandoning the run game to early in most of the games becuse we fell behind. The reason why we rank a 25th ranked 25 rushing attempts a game. He also point out that he has had his lowest reception total in his career this year.

Considering we did not run the ball that often this year and if Wiz can get over the 30 carries a game mark like he probably wants to to be more of a balanced offense that is plenty of touches to go around and make Edge happy. Plus Matt likes throwing the RB more often then Warner so Edge would be getting more touches there as well. He would be perfectly fine. Remember this is the guy that told the coaching staff last year to give Shipp more touches in the redzone. He is not a me, me, type of guy. Me, Me type of guys doesnt get a Super bowl ring from his past team even though he wasnt on the team anymore or called By Manning the best teammate I have ever had in 20 years of football.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I really feel that someone like Whiz was in the loop on this one and if it happens it's because he's for it.

He did run one of the best running offenses in the league, I would assume if he's for this it's for some reason and so since I trust him I'd trust whatever he decides to do on this issue.

Edge is someone he's inherited, Edge isn't all that now, he's good but he's also not going to gash you for major yards, having said all that, you can't leave us with Shipp and Arrington and call that good, please don't do something that stupid.

Not sure if this is in response to my posts... To clarify, I mentioned getting rid of Edge only in the context of adding another high-quality back (via draft or FA...).

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It's called a winning attitude, and yeah I am sure the front office doesn't wanting infecting the other players with that. I mean after all if we start winning it will cost them more money to keep players. I was off the cheap bandwagon until I hear crap like this to plan on getting rid of a HOF to save a LITTLE cash, just ridiculous!

What part of this being simply a "rumour" don't you understand?

 

[conraddobler]

Not sure if this is in response to my posts... To clarify, I mentioned getting rid of Edge only in the context of adding another high-quality back (via draft or FA...).

No I was just commenting in general, didn't read the whole thread.

I do agree though, Edge like him or not is a cut above anything we have on the roster now.

 

[D-Dogg]

No, only JJ Arrington.

Very well played.

 

[Skkorpion]

I suggest you self-delusional Edge lovers do two things:

1. Check out the end-of-season podcast on the Cards web site and listen to what Darren Urban says about Edge;

2. Read Harry Greene's article on Edge on the ASFN front page.

 

[D-Dogg]

Who's talking about "coddling"?? I said cut his ass...

Wouldn't you be cutting him because you'd be worried about him sharing time?

I don't think it is smart to cut 1000 yard backs for unproven talent...their feelings be damned.

 

[D-Dogg]

you self-delusional Edge lovers...

Is that really necessary, Skkorp?

Not that I'm an "edge lover" because I want us to get a guy like Stewart.

I just don't want to see us dump the guy and rely on a draft pick who, given our stellar track record at drafting RB, will bust no matter how talented he is.

 

[Skkorpion]

Sorry Dave, didn't mean touches, meant to write carries.

I was quoting somebody else but it is quite clear Edge has more carries in his 3 years in Az than in any other three year period and his carries per season load has been brutal here, beyond what it was in Indy.

 

[football karma]

My views on Edge arent simple:

On one hand, I beleive that his lack of the breakaway second gear "robs" the Cardinal running game of .25 to .3 yards per carry average that many other teams get. Edge just doesnt get that occasional 30+ yard burst that pads the yard per attempt average.

I would love to add a younger, more dynamic runner that can be around with Matt, Fitz, Q, etc

I also think that when the Cards were eliminated from playoff contention, Edge turned it down a notch ( a small notch, but down none the less)

At the same time, I recognize the tough work he does and how he always seems to get that last extra yard out of his carries when engaged in traffic. Picks up the blitz, etc.

I also remember thinking the same thing about Emmitt's last year -- how he had lost the breakaway gear and that the Cards needed a better RB to improve their running game -- that resulted in the JJ Arrington experiment that went nowhere.

I dont think you cut him. If you can engineer a draft day trade, then maybe --- but I would be happy with keeping him and bringing in his eventual replacement on draft day.

 

[joeshmo]

Sorry Dave, didn't mean touches, meant to write carries.

I was quoting somebody else but it is quite clear Edge has more carries in his 3 years in Az than in any other three year period and his carries per season load has been brutal here, beyond what it was in Indy.

Does it make a difference if it is carries or touches. Edge himself is cleary talking about having a career low in recpetions as part of wanting to be apart of the offense more.

Touches per game with Indy minus the rehab year = 27.16 touches a game.
Touches per game with AZ = 22.595.

Edge had an average of 73.04 more touches a season while in Indy.

A player with any kind of pride what so ever would feel they need to be more of a part of the offense in that scenerio as well.

 

[ajcardfan]

Sorry Dave, didn't mean touches, meant to write carries.

I was quoting somebody else but it is quite clear Edge has more carries in his 3 years in Az than in any other three year period and his carries per season load has been brutal here, beyond what it was in Indy.

Jeez, you aren't getting a thing right on this Skkorp.

First of all, Edge has played here two years, not three. Second, these last two seasons are both the fewest carries he's gotten when he's played 16 games.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Wouldn't you be cutting him because you'd be worried about him sharing time?

I don't think it is smart to cut 1000 yard backs for unproven talent...their feelings be damned.

I think joeshmoe added some good points to this discussion... However, I still don't have enough faith in Edge to justify "using" him more. I believe he got plenty of touches this year, and the best he can produce was a 3.8 YPC average...

$5million a year for 3.8 yards per carry?? C'mon...

 

[Shane]

You cant deny that Edges lack of speed hurts his YPC average. He just isnt quick enough to the hole. The few times he gets beyond the LOS he isnt fast enough to take full advantage of it.

This O will not be as good as it could be until we get a RB that has break away potential.

 

[Heucrazy]

I think joeshmoe added some good points to this discussion... However, I still don't have enough faith in Edge to justify "using" him more. I believe he got plenty of touches this year, and the best he can produce was a 3.8 YPC average...

$5million a year for 3.8 yards per carry?? C'mon...

Getting rid of Edge would be a mistake IMO. 3.8 ypc for a Cardnials back is hall of fame worthy.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sorry Dave, didn't mean touches, meant to write carries.

I was quoting somebody else but it is quite clear Edge has more carries in his 3 years in Az than in any other three year period and his carries per season load has been brutal here, beyond what it was in Indy.

No, that is not true. And he has only been here for 2 years. From NFL.com:

Year	     Team	          G	  Att     Att/G
2007	Arizona Cardinals	16	324	20.2
				
2006	Arizona Cardinals	16	337	21.1
				
2005	Indianapolis Colts	15	360	24
				
2004	Indianapolis Colts	16	334	20.9
				
2003	Indianapolis Colts	13	310	23.8
				
2002	Indianapolis Colts	14	277	19.8
				
2001	Indianapolis Colts	6	151	25.2
				
2000	Indianapolis Colts	16	387	24.2
				
1999	Indianapolis Colts	16	369	23.1
				
TOTAL		128	2,849	22.3

His three highest years were with the Colts (one of those with only 15 games). His fourth highest was with us. His fifth with the colts and then his 6th with us. That's the 15/16 game seasons. Then his 7th is a 13 game season with him at 310 carries.

And BOTH of his Arizona seasons are under his career carries per game average.

 

[jefftheshark]

If we sign Faneca, it would be nice if we had a RB fast enough to take advantage of the holes that will be created.

JTS

 

[82CardsGrad]

Getting rid of Edge would be a mistake IMO. 3.8 ypc for a Cardnials back is hall of fame worthy.

Uggh... When we will stop comparing the Cardinals to the Cardinals?? If we don't, will we ever have higher expectations? Will this team ever work to seriously improve??

3.8 YPC for a $5million back is not worth it IMO... Particularly one who seems to be slowing down and not able to break off runs of more than 3-4 yards on a consistent basis...
I know the conventional wisdom is that it's all on our o-line, however, I personally witnessed far too many plays where the line did their job and then some, and Edge simply couldn't make more out of the run...
I am now at a place where I have more faith in our line and their abilities than I do in Edge's ability to be more than what he's been for us... Yikes!

 

[Rivercard]

3.8 YPC for a $5million back is not worth it IMO... Particularly one who seems not able to break off runs of more than 3-4 yards on a consistent basis... I personally witnessed far too many plays where the line did their job and then some, and Edge simply couldn't make more out of the run...

Some of you guys have lost your minds. I shudder to think of the Cards running game this year with Shipp, Arrington, or some other mid-level free agent as the feature back. While not a speedster, James is still pretty hard to bring down when he gets some space and frequently gets extra yards after contact when he gets a proper angle.

 

[CorporalCardinal]

Who replaces Edge? We don't have anyone who can fill the hole, and I'd rather have a 1-2 punch than a running game with no wheels at all.

 

[slanidrac16]

Get me somebody to take his place.

Somebody name a free agent or a draft choice that is certain to be there when we pick.

THEN we can talk about letting Edge go.