Edge, Hood, LaBoy cut

[azsportsfan01]

Another thing that bugs me, why didn't we try trading these guys for draft picks? The Eagles traded a pick for Ellis Hobbs. Hood is probably equal or better than him. And I'm sure somebody would have thrown us maybe a 6th or 7th rounder for LaBoy. It's not like they'd kill anyone's cap if they took them on.

This whole thing seems weird. Hopefully we'll see an extension soon that will make this seem more sensible.

Whose to say we didn't try to trade them. Both guys had sizable contracts, which is the reason we cut them.

 

[Renz]

We basically got squat out of LaBoy last season. Losing him doesn't hurt us at all.

 

[crisper57]

All right, time for me to move on. Looking for a silver lining...

I admit to being clueless about salary caps and contract extensions. Does anyone have any idea how we could possibly spread $6 million between Dasby, AW, and Q and make them all happier now? And if we just extend the first two, will that send Q over the edge?

Oh, and will Rod "One-Contract-Negotiation-at-a-Time" Graves be able to do all this while trying to sign the rookies?

I'm hoping that this is just the beginning of some very big contract news in the coming weeks and months...

 

[Shogun]

WTF?!?! Laboy and Hood as well? There goes our top secondary.

 

[Shane]

No more sack belt

 

[AntSports Steve]

Here's the entries from Joe's salary cap page:

Ederrin James 2009 $5,000,000 $1,750,000 $6,750,000
Roderick Hood 2011 $3,000,000 $500,000 $3,500,000
Travis Laboy 2012 $2,000,000 $1,500,000 $3,500,000

The 3 players totaled $13.75M against the cap.

All of there remaining bonuses will accellerate against this years cap unless the Cards designate them as June 1st cuts.


Edge is on the last year of his contract so he only has 1.75 left and his will count this year.

The other 2 have more than 1 year so if there bonus is there prorated signing bonus, they have the following values :

Hood 2009,2010,2011 values of $500,000 each year.
Laboy 2009,2010,2011,2012 values of 1.5M each year (seems like a lot) as it totals $6M.

If they are considered June 1st cuts, Hood counts 500,000 this year and $1M in 2010.
Laboy counts 1.5M this year $4.5M next.

The total would be $13.75 - 1.75 - 0.50 - 1.50 = $10M in cap savings.

If they are not counted as June 1st cuts, then it's $13.75 - 1.75 - 1.50 - 6.00 = $4.5M in savings.

So, the Cards either saved $10M against this years cap or $4.5M depending on how they did the paperwork.

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After Editing : Laboys bonus is incorrect per Santos Blog and there are no June 1st cuts allowed for cap purposes per Joe.

 

[captain pq]

pretty ironic; we cut 3 super bowl starters just like that and we have been dragging our feet for approx. 2 years as it relates to Q, AW and KD's contracts. I am tired of waiting to see what will be done with our "core players" contracts. It's just way too frustrating. C'mon Rod Graves; get movin already........

 

[HookemCards]

Laboy was under contract to 2012 and Hood till 2011. Not sure if bonus' in those years all have to be absorbed up front or not.

It does have to be absorbed.

Laboy 3.5 mil (cap hit for this year) -1.5 mil x 4 (years remaining on contract) = -2.5 mil.

Hood 3.5 mil (cap hit for this year) - .5 mil x 3 (years remaining on contract) = 2 mil

I don't really get where they got 6 mil from.....it looks like Laboy and Hoods cap hits cancel each other out for no savings. Maybe this years bonuses have already been charged and paid, in which case it would be cap hit of -1 mil on Laboy and 2.5 savings on Hood, which makes it closer to what the article says.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think it was a mistake cutting Hood and Laboy, but for different reasons.

Hood I think had some value as a nickel corner, and while he was probably overpaid for a nickle corner, his cap savings by cutting him was only 2 mil, and now you have Rolle, Brown/Adams, or a raw 4th rounder as nickle DB.

Laboy actually cost us 2.5 or so mil to cut him, he still had 4 years left on his contract. He could still provide value as a backup. Why cut him now?

They obviously decided that 3M for a nickel back was too much, and they had Brown to play that specific role. When they go to dime packages it is more safety that CB in the Card system.

Laboy, apart from injury, could not transition to the 3-4 scheme. He was fine on the rush, but couldn't drop back in coverage. So what's the point in keeping him? We have B-train and the rookie Brown to fill the predator role.

And this doesn't mean they won't seek out additional help between now and opening day.

 

[Renz]

But if cutting Hood & Laboy only saved $1 million was it really worth it?

Why pay for unproductive players? Cutting LaBoy is a no-brainer. Even if we got no cap savings it would be worth it because his salary last year was pretty much wasted.

As for Hood, Brown was just as good, if not better, as a nickel and he'll be much cheaper. I'd much rather see us give the money we were paying those three guys to AW or Boldin.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Cutting Hood was not smart. Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

Toler is basically coming from a high school level of competition, it's idiotic to expect that he will contribute from minute one.

 

[Zeno]

Here's the entries from Joe's salary cap page:

Ederrin James 2009 $5,000,000 $1,750,000 $6,750,000
Roderick Hood 2011 $3,000,000 $500,000 $3,500,000
Travis Laboy 2012 $2,000,000 $1,500,000 $3,500,000

The 3 players totaled $13.75M against the cap.

All of there remaining bonuses will accellerate against this years cap unless the Cards designate them as June 1st cuts.


Edge is on the last year of his contract so he only has 1.75 left and his will count this year.

The other 2 have more than 1 year so if there bonus is there prorated signing bonus, they have the following values :

Hood 2009,2010,2011 values of $500,000 each year.
Laboy 2009,2010,2011,2012 values of 1.5M each year (seems like a lot) as it totals $6M.

If they are considered June 1st cuts, Hood counts 500,000 this year and $1M in 2010.
Laboy counts 1.5M this year $4.5M next.

The total would be $13.75 - 1.75 - 0.50 - 1.50 = $10M in cap savings.

If they are not counted as June 1st cuts, then it's $13.75 - 1.75 - 1.50 - 6.00 = $4.5M in savings.

Thanks for the thorough explanation. If we saved $10 million great if we saved $4.5 mil thats not so great. Accelerating the cap hit to next year wouldn't hurt so much with it being an uncapped year and would be the smart thing to do.

 

[gohard83]

I've watched both Hood and McFadden and to be honest both of them sucked last year. But looking back to 2007 Hood was head and shoulder better than McFadden. I don't understand why you would cut him at all especially when you don't have any solid CB on your roster besides DRC. Ellis Hobbs was a scrub and he got traded for two 5th rounders so cards could've done soemthing with Hood. Anyway this leads back to the cheapness of the Bidwills.

 

[Treefiddy]

So, the Cards either saved $10M against this years cap or $4.5M depending on how they did the paperwork.

With next year being uncapped, it would be stupid for them not to send the bulk of that salary hit to next year.

 

[Renz]

Cutting Hood was not smart. Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

Toler is basically coming from a high school level of competition, it's idiotic to expect that he will contribute from minute one.

Why don't you just tell us what nickels make, since you seem to know. I find it difficult to believe that many teams pay their 3rd CB's $3 million-a-year.

 

[Zeno]

Why pay for unproductive players? Cutting LaBoy is a no-brainer. Even if we got no cap savings it would be worth it because his salary last year was pretty much wasted.

As for Hood, Brown was just as good, if not better, as a nickel and he'll be much cheaper. I'd much rather see us give the money we were paying those three guys to AW or Boldin.

Brown was as good or better? Really? Brown is not really a very good CB, a good dime guy but if there is an injury I would worry about him starting--I wouldn't worry about Hood stepping in for a few games. I guess I am not a Ralph Brown fan, he is a below average NFL CB, Rod Hood is a marginal starter/good nickel guy.

 

[moklerman]

He did nothing last year...4 sacks against 2 of the worst OL in football wasn't the production they were looking for.

I still thought he'd be around just because we didn't have a lot of depth or quality at that position.

The first 5 games he was doing pretty well with 20 tackles and 4 sacks but I don't remember when he hurt his arm. He wasn't fantastic or a world-beater the first quarter of the season but he stuck out in my mind as making plays.

It's a surprise to me because I thought he manned up and played most of the year with injuries and that gutting it out would get him another shot in '09. His numbers certainly justify cutting him but I would like to know if the injury he had occurred around the bye last year because that's when the big dropoff in production occurred.

Speaking clinically, I agree that his loss isn't that pivotal but personally I'm disappointed that he was cut.

 

[Zeno]

I've watched both Hood and McFadden and to be honest both of them sucked last year. But looking back to 2007 Hood was head and shoulder better than McFadden. I don't understand why you would cut him at all especially when you don't have any solid CB on your roster besides DRC. Ellis Hobbs was a scrub and he got traded for two 5th rounders so cards could've done soemthing with Hood. Anyway this leads back to the cheapness of the Bidwills.

Ignorance at its best.

 

[crisper57]

Ignorance at its best.

At least he spelled the name right...

 

[Treefiddy]

I've watched both Hood and McFadden and to be honest both of them sucked last year. But looking back to 2007 Hood was head and shoulder better than McFadden. I don't understand why you would cut him at all especially when you don't have any solid CB on your roster besides DRC. Ellis Hobbs was a scrub and he got traded for two 5th rounders so cards could've done soemthing with Hood. Anyway this leads back to the cheapness of the Bidwills.

I think McFadden brings better open field tackling than Hood did. They posted about the same tackling numbers over 2008, but McFadden also played in 5 less games.

 

[HookemCards]

Brown was as good or better? Really? Brown is not really a very good CB, a good dime guy but if there is an injury I would worry about him starting--I wouldn't worry about Hood stepping in for a few games. I guess I am not a Ralph Brown fan, he is a below average NFL CB, Rod Hood is a marginal starter/good nickel guy.

I agree with you Zeno. I actually felt if we lost DRC or McFadden the drop off wouldn't be that great with Hood, and he was already under contract and knows the system. Ralph Brown as Dime, or nickle in case of injury i'm ok with, but Brown one injury away from being starter scares the crap out of me.

 

[CardinalChris]

Cutting Hood was not smart. Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

Toler is basically coming from a high school level of competition, it's idiotic to expect that he will contribute from minute one.

Toler will not be the nickel guy, it will be Rashad Johnson.

Just curious, what do you think nickel corners make?

Note: I am not being sarcastic (That last line could sound sort of snotty), I really do wonder what you think nickel corners make. I can't think of many nickels out there who make that much. If they do, they are moved quickly (Lito shepard). Also, more teams are moving to a safety being used in the nickel.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Cutting Hood was not smart. Anyone who thinks he made too much for a nickel corner needs to look around and see what nickel corners are making these days.

Toler is basically coming from a high school level of competition, it's idiotic to expect that he will contribute from minute one.

You evidently know what nickel corners make on average... so tell us.

And, other than on this board, I've seen no credible suggestion that they envisage Toler contributing "from minute one".

 

[Zeno]

Toler will not be the nickel guy, it will be Rashad Johnson.

Just curious, what do you think nickel corners make?

Rashad Johnson is not a CB...nickel or otherwise.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Laboy and Edge are not shockers. Hood is very surprising. But I guess he became expendable after we resigned Brown, picked up McFadden and drafted the kid out of St Paul.