Emmitt Promoted To Starting Running Back

[bratwurst]

The OL will need to block this year.

Wow, really?

 

[Stout]

I'll tell you what I don't like about all this...check out the highlighted section:

Cardinals | Shipp Caught Off Guard by Demotion - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:37:25 -0700

Chrissy Mauck, of AZCardinals.com, reports Arizona Cardinals RB Marcel Shipp confessed the team's promotion of RB Emmitt Smith to the No. 1 RB position caught him off guard. "It was a surprise but you just have to take the bitter with the sweet and get better. It happens," Shipp said Thursday, June 17. Shipp said the coaching staff did not tell him the reason why they decided to make the move, but added they're the ones that make the decisions and they went with who they wanted to go with. He noted he is disappointed, but doesn't ask questions or look for a reason. He said he plans to do whatever he can to help the team to win. "I just want to win," Shipp stated.

That is just plain wrong. You don't demote a guy and NOT tell him why you demoted him. It's like spanking a kid when the kid doesn't know why. How's Marcel going to fix it if he doesn't know what's broken? I mean, Marcel is taking it very well and very gracefully, when he has every right to be pi$$ed off right about now.

Now, I'm sure Marcel knows the 'real reason', and he's working on it, but for the coaches to simply say shut up and play, we don't have to tell you jack, it doesn't foster a great atmosphere.

 

[Gnomad]

yeah, Green has never been a player's coach. he has had his share of run-ins by team members for just such a reason. generally speaking, players don't like him as a person, but they like his winning. the cards are in for a quantum shift in coaching styles this year.

 

[Bobcat]

yeah, Green has never been a player's coach. he has had his share of run-ins by team members for just such a reason. generally speaking, players don't like him as a person, but they like his winning. the cards are in for a quantum shift in coaching styles this year.

I would rather have a coach that kows how to win rather than a coach who claims to have the "heart of a champion!!!"

Allan

 

[JeffGollin]

(The inevitable) 14 pages worth of posts on this thread in less than 24 hours. Might as well add my 2-cents:
Denny has done a lot of things this offseason that cause me to wonder.

But I believe that when you bring in a new guy, it's best to give him his head and let him do his thing for as long as he wins.

But should the organization begin to struggle, we'd have every reason to micromanage his every move.

We're not there yet. Right now - for better or for worse - Denny is being Denny. It's worked before. Hopefully he has a reason for doing what he's doing. I think we need to cut him that much slack - for now.

 

[Gnomad]

I would rather have a coach that kows how to win rather than a coach who claims to have the "heart of a champion!!!"

exactly. you can have the a$$hole of a champion and crap golden trophies, doesn't mean you ARE a champion.

I have noticed around here there's not much talk about coach mac. I probably missed all of it when Green was signed... was he liked in the community? were you guys pining for him to be lynched years ago? what are the general thoughts?

 

[Bobcat]

exactly. you can have the a$$hole of a champion and crap golden trophies, doesn't mean you ARE a champion.

I have noticed around here there's not much talk about coach mac. I probably missed all of it when Green was signed... was he liked in the community? were you guys pining for him to be lynched years ago? what are the general thoughts?

Good guy, but not a Head Coach. Was out in the comunity, but we all got a little sick of his one liners, "Passion" Heart of a Champion" et al.

In the NFL good guy's do finissh Last, and that is where Mac always seemed to finish. To Loyal to Players who wound up hurting the team.

Allan

 

[AzCards21]

I have noticed around here there's not much talk about coach mac. I probably missed all of it when Green was signed... was he liked in the community? were you guys pining for him to be lynched years ago? what are the general thoughts?

Like Bobcat said.

Liked the person, couldn't live with the results.

 

[Sandan]

Know him, like him, hope he does well, just not here

 

[Red Air Force]

exactly. you can have the a$$hole of a champion and crap golden trophies, doesn't mean you ARE a champion.

I have noticed around here there's not much talk about coach mac. I probably missed all of it when Green was signed... was he liked in the community? were you guys pining for him to be lynched years ago? what are the general thoughts?

Some of us wanted him gone sooner than others, but the guy had an amazing knack for making you belive that we would be GREAT year after year. At the time too, it was easy to make excuses....if only Jake would play better...if only Bidwill would spend more...if only we had better coordinators...blah blah blah.

After awhile though the excuses began to wear thin, and it became apparent that Mac was in aver his head, and that he was totaly unable to make any adjustment, wether it was with regards to the game plan in a game, or to the roster during the season. NO ONE that I recall, ever lost thier job because of poor play.

If you really want a feel for the feeling of the board, look through the threads started between October and January of this past season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll go as far as saying that Coach Mac was the worst head coach the cardinals have ever had in their entire tenure in Arizona - My God - his teams couldn't even get plays in on time - and EVERYONE knew exactly what plays we were going to run - he was a buffoon - a nice buffoon - but a buffoon nonetheless.

 

[Red Air Force]

I'll go as far as saying that Coach Mac was the worst head coach the cardinals have ever had in their entire tenure in Arizona - My God - his teams couldn't even get plays in on time - and EVERYONE knew exactly what plays we were going to run - he was a buffoon - a nice buffoon - but a buffoon nonetheless.

...and that too.

 

[vince56]

But I believe that when you bring in a new guy, it's best to give him his head and let him do his thing...

uhm... Jeff?

 

[Jim O]

uhm... Jeff?

 

[maddogkf]

uhm... Jeff?

 

[SECTION 11]

But I believe that when you bring in a new guy, it's best to give him his head and let him do his thing for as long as he wins.

Damn, there really is going to be big changes around here!

 

[KingofCards]

But I believe that when you bring in a new guy, it's best to give him his head and let him do his thing for as long as he wins.

If you do that it will start to grow, but it can only grow so big. Once it hits its peak we will be back to square one in no time. All the build up will wither away.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I'll tell you what I don't like about all this...check out the highlighted section:

Cardinals | Shipp Caught Off Guard by Demotion - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:37:25 -0700

Chrissy Mauck, of AZCardinals.com, reports Arizona Cardinals RB Marcel Shipp confessed the team's promotion of RB Emmitt Smith to the No. 1 RB position caught him off guard. "It was a surprise but you just have to take the bitter with the sweet and get better. It happens," Shipp said Thursday, June 17. Shipp said the coaching staff did not tell him the reason why they decided to make the move, but added they're the ones that make the decisions and they went with who they wanted to go with. He noted he is disappointed, but doesn't ask questions or look for a reason. He said he plans to do whatever he can to help the team to win. "I just want to win," Shipp stated.

That is just plain wrong. You don't demote a guy and NOT tell him why you demoted him. It's like spanking a kid when the kid doesn't know why. How's Marcel going to fix it if he doesn't know what's broken? I mean, Marcel is taking it very well and very gracefully, when he has every right to be pi$$ed off right about now.

Now, I'm sure Marcel knows the 'real reason', and he's working on it, but for the coaches to simply say shut up and play, we don't have to tell you jack, it doesn't foster a great atmosphere.

Who ha !

A rare day indeed. One of the very few times I can ever remember agreeing with Stout on anything.

Amazing, Simply amazing.

I would also add:

I couldn't agree more. I have been intending on posting on this myself.

The thing that is bothering me most about this is this reeks of just TOO MANY HEADGAMES, for a new coach.

Now I can see stirring the pot a little to eliminate any possible complacency.
But as I posted once before, this still also reeks of gutless hypocrisy (If all is as it appears to be). This is still one of the big areas I've always expressed reservations about Green and his modus operendi.

I gotta think Oran's post (on another thread, on this issue) is the most likely scenario. But if so, why are all the moves being made publically and coming as a surprise to the players themselves. Is this not the Denny Green who has "tightened up security" as far as "talking to the media" and I would suppose "airing inner team dynamics" in public???

Big Boss Denny can do it but no one else can. Suspicious, to me, highly suspicious.

And everything tells me these ARE surprises. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing the quotes we ARE seeing from some of the players now. Just like Stout pointed out. So that makes, Shelton, Emmitt, and Shipp now.

I'm with Skkorp. The treatment of Shelton, in particular, is despicable. He has never shown himself to be anything but a true professional. (some have accused him of mental lapses in the past...don't know if i really buy that).

He has never been a trouble maker. Same with Lucas. Lucas always kept his mouth shut and just did his job the best he could.



Mac gets raked over the coals a lot here for all his incompetancies, but one thing I really liked about him, was I never saw the players "quit" on him. Again there are some that say so...but I say BS...show me where.
The Dallas game that got Tobin fired was one of the few, if only times I ever saw any quit in this team. Players generally seemed to want to do good for Mac. (sure seemed that way to me anyway).

I know, for myself, if I was playing on a team being run like Green is at the moment. I'd be one pissed off player. Not trusting a word Green said.

That, to me, is not how you build a successful team or organization.
Green hasn't established ANY reputation here yet. He's in the process of doing that now.

When your coach doesn't even have enough balls to look you in the eye and tell you what he expects of you, but instead plays stupid assed games with the media and public, and whomever.......That doesn't inspire squat.

I say on any good team, the players have to be able to trust their HC. If they can't even do that....then you've built a house of cards. (pardon the pun).

I just don't see anyway Green hasn't stepped in a little doo doo right now.
I only hope things work out for the best by the end of actual training camp, but this is not a good tangent, no matter how you look at it...that I can see.

Either Green has to do some backpedaling then, or he is indeed a gutless hypocrite.

All I can do right now is shake my head and go back to repeating my mantra:
We'll See, We'll See".

 

[ajcardfan]

Mac gets raked over the coals a lot here for all his incompetancies, but one thing I really liked about him, was I never saw the players "quit" on him. Again there are some that say so...but I say BS...show me where.
The Dallas game that got Tobin fired was one of the few, if only times I ever saw any quit in this team. Players generally seemed to want to do good for Mac. (sure seemed that way to me anyway).

I agree that the players really liked Mac. But, I don't see how you can say they never quit on them. There were performances every bit as bad as Tobin's last game.

Examples?

Last year:

Seattle
Cleveland
San Francisco (there)


Year before:

Kansas City

Those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. The "proof is in the pudding". Talent is so spread out in the NFL, to get that badly blown out that many times means something was wrong with the team's mindset. As you say, the "proof will be in the pudding" when it comes to Green and his techniques as well.

 

[Tangodnzr]

AJ, I would probably agree with you on the KC game year before last.

That was a bad one, but remember also, the team came into that game after getting killed by the Raiders and the injury list at that time was unbelievable.
Even the famous ESPN bashers were commenting on how beat up the Cards were at that point.

As for the Seattle game. I don't buy they quit on that one at all. Turnovers just killed them. I didn't see it as "quitting" at all.

The Cleveland and SF games were tough. But again, turnovers and inept play calling by Sullivan (and Marmie) killed them. I still didn't see any quit there either.

I will go back and look at those games again. But I never did see any real quitting any time last year.

Some ass kickings...yes indeed. But I never felt the team, overall, just quit.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Dennis Green said earlier this month that Shipp was gonna have 1200 yards and 7tds, that is gonna be impressive getting that from the bench.

Agreed.

At this point, and I hate to say it, I think Shipp's days are numbered. Green like the scat-back type. Speed and quickness.

Shipp is POWER, and Madness. Shipp runs so hard that when he finally is tackled it looks like a car crash. Shipp is more of a Bill Parcells back.

But who knows what is going to happen next ? Green is our captain and I cannot go against what he thinks is best.

Peace


BTW - It is really gonna suck when Shipp is starting again half way through the year because the guy deserves a shot at being a starter.

 

[BigRedMO]

I guess Green is not a student of the game. Spurrier did not like Davis for same reason and let him go. They missed him. Beggars cant be choosers. Talent wise the Cards are beggars. They dont have so much talent sitting around they get rid of talent because he does not fit the mold exactly. Green is trying to make this team into his image instead of building around what is available. That slips competitveness back from next year to year after that (06) at earliest. Actually I dont see Green making it here. He is not realistic to build around what he has. He will be gone in 4 years. or when contract expires then we will start over again.

 

[gamebird98]

How old was Ottis Anderson when he won his Super Bowl? This is not sarcasm, just seriously wondering

How many guys Emmit's age have EVER been successful as a STARTER in the NFL?

 

[Southpaw]

Would anyone besides me like to have the 1st pick over again? Emmitt Smith #1 RB is preposterous. If Dennis Green is desperate enough at RB to make Smith #1, how could he draft WR 1st @ #3.

This blows chunks.

 

[40yearfan]

Would anyone besides me like to have the 1st pick over again? Emmitt Smith #1 RB is preposterous. If Dennis Green is desperate enough at RB to make Smith #1, how could he draft WR 1st @ #3.

This blows chunks.