ESPN rumor mill says McNabb to Fitz :) (only if Warner retires)

[lobo]

If and possibly when Warner retires


Congrats...winner of the most sensible post of the year award.....so far!!

 

[lobo]

WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!
This system needs abn accurate passer. Pennington , if healthy would be a better fit.

I like Pennington as well, but not an open/shut case against Matt...Pennington is a Parcells type....he really studies film and game plan a whole lot...but too injury prone...

 

[moklerman]

McNabb's all out of excuses at this point. It's always been said that he just doesn't have the recievers but Maclin and Jackson are pretty darned good and Celek is a really good option too.

He's still a great deep ball thrower but not really the best decision maker or consistently accurate passer. I'm sure he would be able to at least replicate what he's done in Philly which is pretty good but I would rather see the money it would take to get him go toward other areas and give Leinart a full off season and training camp to see if he can still be the guy.

 

[SeattleCard]

If Warner is gone, I'd love to have mcnabb

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

First off, why would you pay to be an ESPN insider? Give me that money and i can make up stuff and hope it comes true just as easy. As for McNabb, no way. I can't think of one good reason to bring McNabb in.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You and I aren't agreeing on much, Shane. Oh well, that what makes the board go, I guess.

The man has led his team to 5 NFC championship games. He's 33, and has been throwing to guys like Hank Basket most of his career. He could easily play 4 or 5 more years - that would make him Kurt's age. That's longterm in today's world. Philly fans don't appreciate him for the same reason most fans can't handle stuff - everybody thinks if you don't win a superbowl, you suck. There are 32 teams in the league. 4 teams make the Championship Game per year. On average you should make a championship game 1 out of 8 years, he's made 5 in 11 years - ALMOST EVERY OTHER YEAR. Are you kidding me, he's a choker?

If Kurt retires, and we can get him, do it.

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I have to agree. McNabb would come to us with a HUGE chip on his shoulder. Kind of like the huge chip that Warner came here with when the Rams & Giants spit in his face. Since McNabb already lives & trains here, the adjustment period would be minimal. The climate in AZ & playing under perfect conditions would add an extra year or two to his career. Look what AP & a dome environment did for Favre. I'm fine with the Cardinals going with Leinart, but it's lunacy to think that McNabb couldn't win here. Let's not forget that what this franchise needs is a nice stretch (4-5 consecutive years) of getting to the playoffs. In order to completely leave our ugly past behind us, we need to be a perennial winner. McNabb would help us get there.

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All this hating on McNabb is insane!

The dude is a gamer, year in and year out. Plug him into our offense and he is automatically surrounded by the best cast of players he has ever been around. Don't forget, this guy beat us in the late 90's on a broken leg in the 2nd half. The guy has heart to spare.

I would take him over Matt any day of the week and twice on Sundays....

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Sometimes you guys kill me. You dont' think McNabb would be a good fit with Fitz, Beanie, Early, Breaston and possibly Boldin? LOL you gotta be kidding me. If you ask me he has OVERACHIEVED with the offensive personnel he has been given. Plus he is a natural leader and would slip right into the role that Kurt has and we would be good for another 5 years.

Saying all that, its not going to happen. Philly won't deal him. And we won't give it up what it takes.

Let's try and get Desean why we are in fantasy land, shall we

 

[TheHopToad]

If and possibly when Warner retires Whiz will be working the whole offseason with the CARDINALS next starting QB.Matt Leinart should do very well especially if no one offers enough for Q in draft trades and he has a loaded reciever quiver to go along with a very talented and up and coming running game.Leave Levi where he is to cover Matts backside.

Its not Matts job to worry about rebuilding the defense.Just put up the points to win.If after all this time with Kurt he did'nt learn anything that would be more than sad.He looked okay in New Orleans to say the least.Lets go Matt.Heck NO! To Bulger or McNabb or anyone else.We've paid for Matt already.Whiz will adjust a few things and just say its go time and start building Matts confidence to a much higher level with no one behind him but a lesser backup that comes cheap,or a late round qb pick to develop.

Doug, you write good stuff and I generally agree with you most of the time. However, I have one recommendation for you:

Although the double space typographical convention has been rendered obsolete, it is still necessary and preferred to include a space after all forms of punctuation, especially after the period at the end of a sentence. It makes your sentences flow much better and provides a smoother, more comprehensive paragraph for the reader.

/Grammar tip of the day

 

[Snakester]

I would rather stick with Leinart. I think he will be just fine with a year or two starting under his belt. I would like to see us get a very good back up. Either a solid older vet or a high draft pick to develop under Matt. We need to find someone whether Warner retires or not to back up Leinart. Brian St. has not shown me he can be anything but a clipboard holder.

 

[TheHopToad]

First off, why would you pay to be an ESPN insider?

Certainly not for the "exclusive" rumors or blogs. I have been a subscriber for years basically for only one reason: commercial free, edited podcasts of their radio shows. I like to listen to Cowherd and sometimes Mike & Mike on my way to work or even at work if it's a slow day. The member version condenses an entire four hour show down to about an hour and a half.

They also throw in a subscription to ESPN, The Magazine, but I never get around to reading it.

 

[Doug]

Don't the CARDINALS have enough bigtime contract issues with Rolle and the restricted free agents like Breaston & Lutui for starters?What about Coach Whiz & Lott?

Aren't we usually slowed down by the speed at which Graves works?Won't we be limited by free agent signings or even signing.We need offensive tackle help also.

How can anyone reasonably see us getting McNabb when Reid has already said McNabb is still an eagle & obtaining him would cost us way too much when we need too much elsewhere and we have Matt already in our system waiting for 2 years?

How do we get a vet to replace Dansby if that is what Whiz wants,when we're limited to one Free Agent?Matt has a reasonable price this year and next year his contract explodes.

Forgive me Big Orange Alum but we have enough problems on defense I can't see us fixing as it is in one offseason.Especially when we are super limited in what we can do as it is already being in the top 8 teams.

 

[joeshmo]

McNabb for all the love he gets is a really bad QB accuracy wise. 20th in the NFL this year. Gerrard with way more horrible WR's had better accuracy, Alex freaking Smith had better accuracy, Jay 26 INT's Cutler who has even worse WR's had better accuracy, Jason Cambell had better accuracy. Him having horrid accuracy is not just this year, its almost every year.

McNabb doesn't throw many INT's but he is a fumble machine, again not just this year, every year.

Both facts are why Philly fans are so frustrated with him every year. They are the ones that see him missing receivers every week, or not scanning the field to find the open receiver.

Now add in the fact that he is only signed for one more season, and the high likely hood that the 2011 season will be a lockout we have to give him a new contract for a guy that will 35 when his new contract kicks in.

Save the money, draft picks, or what ever else you can get for Boldin and spend it on Defense.

 

[Doug]

Doug, you write good stuff and I generally agree with you most of the time. However, I have one recommendation for you:

Although the double space typographical convention has been rendered obsolete, it is still necessary and preferred to include a space after all forms of punctuation, especially after the period at the end of a sentence. It makes your sentences flow much better and provides a smoother, more comprehensive paragraph for the reader.

/Grammar tip of the day

I'm on my laptop and I have to tap this stuff out one giant finger at a time.In the computer room with the PC,I'm sure I'd have done a much better job.Forgive me for my book learning and lack of proofreading, I'm embarrassed.

 

[Oly]

Doug.

First of all, I like reading your post you have a lot of very good information. I'm not singling you out you just so happen to be the last one to make the point of playing Matt because he's familiar with our system. I don't find that to be a valid point for the simple fact our system is going to change dramatically. There is only one other quarterback I can think of "Peyton Manning" that's capable of running the type of read and react system that we do.

I don't know what kind of quarterback Matt's going to turn out to be but I'm quite confident he is never going to run the system we are currently running that is designed for Kurt skills. If we do go with Matt next year don't be surprised to see a whole new system in place.

 

[Doug]

If and possibly when Warner retires


Congrats...winner of the most sensible post of the year award.....so far!!

Way to be non-commital huh?I try.Thanks for another award.Can I put it on the fridge?

 

[Goldfield]

I would LOVE McNabb here.

 

[Russ Smith]

I liked McNabb a lot when he was younger and could still run well but now not so much. As others have said McNabb has never been very accurate, he has that bad habit of overthrowing balls so the ball ends up diving and burying into the ground short of the WR. That's why he throws few INT's, when he misses it's usually short in the ground.

he throws a great deep ball and is tough as nails but he can't run the same offense Kurt does, he's just not accurate enough.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Even though the Eagles came back to almost win the title game in AZ last year, every time I rewatch that game I see how many bad passes McNabb actually made in that game.

In spite of his accomplishments, I don't really want him on the Cards.

 

[Syracusecards]

I love McNabb, but he is and always has been, a sandlot football QB. He's at his best when things break down. He was that way at Syracuse (see game winning throw to beat WV) and he is the same way with Philly (see throw to Freddie "I'd like to thank my hands" Mitchell vs Green Bay).

People always say that McNabb hasn't won the big one because he hasn't had the supporting cast. I think the lack of the supporting cast is why he's been so successful. Nothing to lose + get out of the pocket and see what happens = amazing plays from McNabb.

Stay in the pocket + read through progressions + throwing to a spot = McNabb throwing into the dirt or being late on a read and throwing a pick.

I'm a 'Cuse homer, but I don't think he's the answer. We either need Matt to develop, or bring in a vet to manage the game and draft a QB.

 

[Shane]

McNabb for all the love he gets is a really bad QB accuracy wise. 20th in the NFL this year. Gerrard with way more horrible WR's had better accuracy, Alex freaking Smith had better accuracy, Jay 26 INT's Cutler who has even worse WR's had better accuracy, Jason Cambell had better accuracy. Him having horrid accuracy is not just this year, its almost every year.

McNabb doesn't throw many INT's but he is a fumble machine, again not just this year, every year.

Both facts are why Philly fans are so frustrated with him every year. They are the ones that see him missing receivers every week, or not scanning the field to find the open receiver.

Now add in the fact that he is only signed for one more season, and the high likely hood that the 2011 season will be a lockout we have to give him a new contract for a guy that will 35 when his new contract kicks in.

Save the money, draft picks, or what ever else you can get for Boldin and spend it on Defense.

voice of reason

 

[Catfish]

If Warner retires...which I hope he Doesn't...But if he does...McNabb here would be awesome...and I think he would flourish under our system and recievers....He has mobility and throws a good deep ball.

ESPN hasn't been correct about anything they have said about this team for the past three years. Why do you all of a sudden consider their word to be accurate?

 

[Evil Ash]

Is McNabb going to play defense for us?

Its kinda funny how this board is focused on fixing the defense but any mention of a guy like McNabb means we should give up on that so we can get a good 33 year old QB. I have no problem with McNabb, in fact I liked him since he was in college, but this is ridiculous.

 

[TheCardFan]

McNabb contract details:

6/11/2009: Signed a two-year, $24.5 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed, including a $3.3 million roster bonus in the first year and $3.5 million of McNabb's 2010 base salary. Another $1 million is available through incentives. 2010: $5 million (+ $6.2 million guaranteed roster bonus due 5/5), 2011: Free Agent

McNabb is due a 6.2m roster bonus on 5/5...making him very available in a trade.

My hope:

Warner - hope he stays.
McNabb - if not, McNabb is not much of a step backwards.
Leinart - Very risky based on performance.

 

[Evil Ash]

McNabb contract details:

6/11/2009: Signed a two-year, $24.5 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed, including a $3.3 million roster bonus in the first year and $3.5 million of McNabb's 2010 base salary. Another $1 million is available through incentives. 2010: $5 million (+ $6.2 million guaranteed roster bonus due 5/5), 2011: Free Agent

McNabb is due a 6.2m roster bonus on 5/5...making him very available in a trade.

My hope:

Warner - hope he stays.
McNabb - if not, McNabb is not much of a step backwards.
Leinart - Very risky based on performance.

Yet again how do you fix the defense while giving up high draft picks for 30+ year old QB?

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

HELL NO to McNabb.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Is McNabb going to play defense for us?

Its kinda funny how this board is focused on fixing the defense but any mention of a guy like McNabb means we should give up on that so we can get a good 33 year old QB. I have no problem with McNabb, in fact I liked him since he was in college, but this is ridiculous.

Yet again how do you fix the defense while giving up high draft picks for 30+ year old QB?

Uhhh we can discuss both. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. And even if they are, QB is the most important position in sports.

I think addressing your QB for the next 5 years is more important the drafting some ILB who may or may not make it, wouldn't you?