ESPN rumor mill says McNabb to Fitz :) (only if Warner retires)

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[Evil Ash]

Uhhh we can discuss both. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. And even if they are, QB is the most important position in sports.

I think addressing your QB for the next 5 years is more important the drafting some ILB who may or may not make it, wouldn't you?

1) It is mutually exclusive since we finished in the top 8 this year and have very few options regarding FA due to this status. Therefore we have to rely on the draft and with McNabb being under contract it requires us to give up draft picks in order to get him.

2) McNabb may not play another 5 years with the injury issues he's had over the years

3) This team that has been created here and has taken us to back-to-back division titles and a Superbowl run was composed mostly from players built through our drafts. So acting as though the draft is almost of no importance (ie that ILB that may or may not make it) is laughable

4) We've seen what happens when you focus almost entirely on the QB position in your offseason and ignore all of your other problems? The Bears gave up a great deal to get Cutler because they focused on that position for the offseason and ignored all their other holes on offense and defense. What did it get them? Not much as they had a losing season, a team full of holes, and have no way of fixing it since they don't have much in terms in draft picks this year. This isn't a plan I'd like to follow.

5) Qb is one of the most important positions in sports. It is also the most OVER-RATED. You need more than a QB to win in this league and Superbowls have been won with some really bad starting QBs.

I'd be fine with bringing in a QB through FA and drafting another to compete with Leinart (not in the first 3 rounds mind you) but I'm not giving up the farm for a QB thats on the wrong side of 30.

We need to keep priorities in order. We have a defense that gave up 90 points in the span of 60 minutes worth of football (2nd half of GB and 1st half of Saints game). If thats not proof that it needs fixing, I don't know what does

 

[Crimson Warrior]

What kind of picks are we talking about? Sorry if that was posted.

If Warner retires, it would be worth thinking about.

We could probably win the NFC west next year with McNabb behind center.

Can we say the same thing about matty?

 

[joeshmo]

Warner - hope he stays.
McNabb - if not, McNabb is not much of a step backwards.

Please tell me you are not serious.

One of the most prolific QB's in playoff history to one of the most average.
One of the most accurate QB's of all time to one of the most below average.

 

[Doug]

I'd like to see what Pennington has left in this system as his accuracy was always a key point to him with time is the key.

Thats only if the team does'nt want to go with Matt this year.I don't know why they would'nt give him his shot with a guy like Pennington that we did'nt have to pay for much behind him?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Please tell me you are not serious.

One of the most prolific QB's in playoff history to one of the most average.
One of the most accurate QB's of all time to one of the most below average.

Beat me to it...

 

[splitsecond]

I'd like to see what Pennington has left in this system as his accuracy was always a key point to him with time is the key.

Thats only if the team does'nt want to go with Matt this year.I don't know why they would'nt give him his shot with a guy like Pennington that we did'nt have to pay for much behind him?

I have probably been the biggest Pennington homer since he came into the league, but I have given up hope on him getting to the big game at this point. He was definitely the victim of some bad teams/coaching but I think his time to jump to the next level has passed.

 

[PJ1]

McNabb would be a big mistake. Too much money and overrated in my opinion. I believe Leinart is going to get a full chance to run this team whether some like it or not. Someone like Bulger as a backup may happen but signing a McNabb would eliminate Leinart as he wouldn't continue to be our backup.

 

[ajcardfan]

To me, this is totally baseless speculation of people trying to connect the dots. Much like the annual rumors of a trade of Fitz to Minnesota. (Which should stop this year because of Sidney Rice.)

That said, I'd be very confident of returning to the playoff next year if McNabb did take over for Warner. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Leinart is getting his shot whenever Warner retires. As he should.

 

[chickenhead]

I don't hate the idea in itself, but it kind of means you have to trade Leinart right away, because his value goes down the closer he gets to the bonus other teams know the Cards aren't going to want to pay. I also don't like the idea of extending McNabb just to get him in the near-term, especially since guaranteed money in the form of a signing bonus will be the major priority for him, right?

 

[jmt]

Mcnabb blows. He is a choker and he is old and really taken a beating over the years.

I would rather keep Matty under center and see what we have. YEP I said it!

Me too - IMO Mcnabb has little left, cost too much and will get hurt. I still think Leinart can succeed.

 

[TheHopToad]

5) Qb is one of the most important positions in sports. It is also the most OVER-RATED. You need more than a QB to win in this league and Superbowls have been won with some really bad starting QBs.

Those teams had elite defenses. You MUST have either an elite QB or an elite defense to succeed in this league.

Just look at the final four this year:

Colts: Elite, HOF QB.
Saints: Elite, Pro Bowl QB, on his way to HOF with sustained play at this level.
Vikings: Favre..enough said. They also have a very good defense.
Jets: An elite defense which can shutdown the opposition and compensate for lack of firepower in the offense.

You can even apply the same to teams 4-8. Cards and Chargers had the QB; Ravens and Cowboys had the defense to carry them until they ran into better teams.

You gotta have one or the other. I doubt the Cards are going to develop an elite, top-5 defense next year, therefore the quarterback becomes more important. We'll need to have production that is among the league leaders from that position, and I don't think that is McNabb. May not be Leinart either, but we need to see what he has learned the last couple of years unless we an find another gem, like we did with Warner.

 

[Chainthroer]

He hasn't been eating his chunky noodle soup for a long time! I say no way.

 

[moklerman]

He hasn't been eating his chunky noodle soup for a long time! I say no way.

I think Warner was the original Chunky Soup QB way back in 2000 so there may not be a direct soup to qb rating correlation.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I'm on my laptop and I have to tap this stuff out one giant finger at a time.In the computer room with the PC,I'm sure I'd have done a much better job.Forgive me for my book learning and lack of proofreading, I'm embarrassed.

Dang, Doug, considering how huge your hands must be and accounting for the fact that I'm pretty sure none of your fingers point in the direction God meant for them to go, I think you do just fine.

I have fully acknowledged on this board that my spelling is atrocious. (I had to look that one up.) And the syntax police locked me up a long time ago.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the IDEAS that count. That's why I come here.

Now... Back to the discussion.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Hey the rumor is gaining steam. They have now said the 49ers and Cards could be trying to trade for McNabb. I say the 49ers dont want us to get him either. Kolb is getting alot of steam as a the starter too in Philly. So dont be surprised if Warner retires...we trade for McNabb. Even if you guys dont like the trade. Leinart still can compete for the job. Best man will win.

 

[CaptTurbo]

anyone asking for Mcnabb hasnt watched too many eagles games.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Ill take kolb though!

 

[sportznutt]

Ill take kolb though!

YUP

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Hey the rumor is gaining steam. They have now said the 49ers and Cards could be trying to trade for McNabb. I say the 49ers dont want us to get him either. Kolb is getting alot of steam as a the starter too in Philly. So dont be surprised if Warner retires...we trade for McNabb. Even if you guys dont like the trade. Leinart still can compete for the job. Best man will win.

Let the Niners have him. he would make them better short term though.

 

[joeshmo]

Ill take kolb though!

I dont know where this love for McNabb is coming. But what I find more interesting is where did this love for Kolb come from. Sounds to me like the standard grass is greener notion, the usual people liking the backup situation.

The only time he has every looked good is against the Chiefs horrid defense. The kid hasn't even looked good in preseason games. The kids accuracy is worse then McNabbs. He is going to be the epitome of AVERAGE.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, here's something that isn't a rumour.

I saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, Coach Reid say... McNabb will be the Eagle QB come September. They have finally found some toys for McNabb in the past few drafts, and it's highly unlikely (IMO) that they wouldn't give him another year with his new young wideouts.

 

[Oly]

Well, here's something that isn't a rumour.

I saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, Coach Reid say... McNabb will be the Eagle QB come September. They have finally found some toys for McNabb in the past few drafts, and it's highly unlikely (IMO) that they wouldn't give him another year with his new young wideouts.

I saw that same interview it doesn't sound like they have any interest in dealing him this year. I don't believe McNabb has the accuracy to be successful in our offense plus a lot of what made him great was his ability to run and he simply doesn't have that anymore.

Besides I find it completely unrealistic to think if Kurt retires they're not going to give Matt one full-year without looking over his shoulder to prove himself. Especially the way his contract is structured its very reasonable this coming season and about 15 million total the year after that.

Plus if you take into consideration most of our needs are obviously on defense they must without question rebuild the defense. And trading picks away for a QB that seems to be on the down side of his career does not make sense to me.

 

[chickenhead]

I heard secondhand from someone in the Eagles organization (FWIW) that many are really high on Kolb and want that era to begin. Maybe they're right, but it does seem a little "grass is greener" as mentioned above. I'm sure they've seen good things, but Donovan has been starting in a brutal division with the kind of scrutiny that no one except possible Iverson has even approached.

I think if he comes here he does pretty well. Weaker division, he's probably healthier, better receivers, and hopefully a power running game that he's never had. If any part of Whiz doesn't think Leinart's the answer and wants to draft "his guy" soon, then I think McNabb is a better stopgap in addition to being a better "win now" option.

But most likely he's still an Eagle next fall.

 

[CardLogic]

Hey the rumor is gaining steam. They have now said the 49ers and Cards could be trying to trade for McNabb. I say the 49ers dont want us to get him either. Kolb is getting alot of steam as a the starter too in Philly. So dont be surprised if Warner retires...we trade for McNabb. Even if you guys dont like the trade. Leinart still can compete for the job. Best man will win.

Steam is after all - HOT AIR!

McNabb will not be a Cardinal. It can be fun to debate the possiblity, but it will not happen. Mark it down, set it in stone, bet on it, whatever...

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.