Fear the Walking Dead (AMC)

[Phrazbit]

Also, if the Military really has this big evil plan to liquidate the neighborhood... why bother to help them in the first place? Food, medicine, gas, electric power... those kinds of supplies have got to already be a precious resource and you're using them to keep hundreds of people alive that you plan to gun down anyway?

About 50% of the stuff happening on this show seems to make absolutely no sense other than of trying to force the story in certain directions.

And I know I stated it earlier in the thread, but we've seen Rick's group clear out a prison with a some riot gear, some baseball bats and a couple sharp things. These freaking trained soldiers, armed to the teeth and using cover formations are getting wiped out in an office building? I just don't buy it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Article really hits the nail on the head with many of the gripes we've had in the thread.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/09/28/5-big-problems-with-fear-the-walking-dead/

Skipping over several weeks as society collapsed was an awful narrative choice. I don't know if it was budget or a lack of creativity but given how tedious and uneventful the following episodes were its a baffling choice.

man, that article is 100% spot on.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yep, the article above pretty much nails it. Also, did anybody else who had a problem with characters just leaving windows and doors open throughout.......feel like they were getting taunted in the finale?

When they got back to Strand's pad.....I swear to you there was a lingering shot of just the front door sitting there wide open as characters left the scene. It felt like a big "FU" to the people complaining about that one thing. LOL.

Last but not least so next season we are getting Gilligan of the Walking dead? A yacht? Really? How many episodes on that thing next season?

 

[Phrazbit]

A yacht that was the product of one terrible special effect. Really AMC? You couldn't go and just film an actual longshot of a yacht?

 

[HeavyB3]

A yacht that was the product of one terrible special effect. Really AMC? You couldn't go and just film an actual longshot of a yacht?

I heard they are changing the name to "Fear the Walking Dead Pirates" next season.

 

[Zeno]

A yacht that was the product of one terrible special effect. Really AMC? You couldn't go and just film an actual longshot of a yacht?

Yeah that was awful CGI.

 

[BigRedRage]

Final episode finally delivered. It had its flaws and some more laughable CGI but the action was intense and it finally felt like the walking dead. Cant wait for next season.

 

[BigRedRage]

Pirates of the walking dead

 

[BigRedRage]

Spoiler

I'm not big on the boat idea. It's what I often yelled at ricks group to go do though.

Strands compund would be rather safe, zombies can only come from one direction. Always thought the coast would be a good place to lay your head.

Junkie depp didnt need those closing comments of how the world is watching up with him, it was obvious he will be a great fit in the new world once he stops being a junkie, didnt need to say it.

Weird how they went from totally nieve and not sure what to do to suddenly understanding how to horde zombies to their advantage within one minute but it was still an awesome scene.

Travis finally grew some balls which was nice.

Why did the army guy shoot the daughter? I'm glad he didnt shoot salazar though.

Liza should have hung out until she broke a fever, she should know better after being in the hospital. However, they called what looked like a scratch a bite so maybe they were screwed either way.

Plan on watching this one again, the action was great and very tense. Finally.

 

[Chaplin]

There are so many problems with this show, it's hard to describe all of them. And that's with the finale being BY FAR the best episode of the series.

I want to know who manufactured that chain link fence surrounding the compound, because it was super strong blocking bullets from hitting the zombies beyond. What craftsmanship!

Characters, again, show how stupid they are, and only one has any depth whatsoever and the only way they could show any of that depth was for him to torture a soldier for basically no reason.

I get that the world is falling apart, but that doctor was such a strong personality in the 2nd to last episode, it was ridiculous that she would simply give up and kill herself in the finale. Idiot. (The doctor, not the ex-wife nurse)

The guy playing Strand has to be voiceover artist. When we first meet him, we hear him talking but don't see him. I totally thought it was a voiceover at the time. And what "skills" of Junkie Depp did he need? I was confused by that because so far the kid has been absolutely useless except for knowing what was going on before everyone else. Now that everyone knows, why keep him around? And let's not talk about the other whiny kids, although there was at least one bright spot when Chris tried to defend Alicia from the scumbag military guys.

But the problem remains that the leads are boring. I would have rather the ex-wife stayed alive and they killed off the mom. I like Kim Dickens, but not in this. She is stupid and boring and adds nothing to the show. Travis still has some potential, especially after this episode, but he's still stupid.

Not sure if I'll tune into the 2nd season. I'm invested in the main show, so I might give it a shot, but I doubt the writers will learn anything since they don't on the main show, so I can't imagine Season 2 will be much better.

 

[BigRedRage]

There are so many problems with this show, it's hard to describe all of them. And that's with the finale being BY FAR the best episode of the series.

I want to know who manufactured that chain link fence surrounding the compound, because it was super strong blocking bullets from hitting the zombies beyond. What craftsmanship!

Characters, again, show how stupid they are, and only one has any depth whatsoever and the only way they could show any of that depth was for him to torture a soldier for basically no reason.

I get that the world is falling apart, but that doctor was such a strong personality in the 2nd to last episode, it was ridiculous that she would simply give up and kill herself in the finale. Idiot. (The doctor, not the ex-wife nurse)

The guy playing Strand has to be voiceover artist. When we first meet him, we hear him talking but don't see him. I totally thought it was a voiceover at the time. And what "skills" of Junkie Depp did he need? I was confused by that because so far the kid has been absolutely useless except for knowing what was going on before everyone else. Now that everyone knows, why keep him around? And let's not talk about the other whiny kids, although there was at least one bright spot when Chris tried to defend Alicia from the scumbag military guys.

But the problem remains that the leads are boring. I would have rather the ex-wife stayed alive and they killed off the mom. I like Kim Dickens, but not in this. She is stupid and boring and adds nothing to the show. Travis still has some potential, especially after this episode, but he's still stupid.

Not sure if I'll tune into the 2nd season. I'm invested in the main show, so I might give it a shot, but I doubt the writers will learn anything since they don't on the main show, so I can't imagine Season 2 will be much better.

The "skills" of the junkie are obvious. Junkies do anything to get their fix, they are slippery, conniving and etc. Once sober, living the hard life he has lived he is far more useful than say a 14 year old girl who spends her whole life looking at her phone. It was painfully obvious and his comments at the end I found unnecessary because that is such an obvious reason why he is in the show but I guess that's why they had the comments there, because people still don't understand why he would be useful in the apocalypse.

The doctor killed herself because she was broken. People break and give up. Not everyone is a hero. I wanted her to come with but she couldn't. Similar to when people tried to stay at the CDC and simply die, they didn't want to face this world.

I agree, the finale was by FAR the best. I enjoyed it. It had its faults but it was a great showing and will only get better. I really have njothing to complain about at this point.

Travis is evolving. In fact, everyone was suddenly a badass. The transition was not done well but i dont care, I wanted badasses and I got them in the final episode.


Hey guys, we are runniong for our lives and being infested with zombies but can we stop, go back and see my dead mom?

Its all good. Great episode and looking forward to next season. Now comes the original with what I think is going to be an amazing season trying to protect alexandria and to bring rick back down from his kill everyone and take over everything to protect my group mode. I think Morgan will get more aggressive but will also bring Rick back down to earth a little bit.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

We really enjoyed the last episode. That Salvadoran dude is one sick pup to let all the Zombies loose just to create a diversion. Didn't like seeing the doctor lady die, she would have been real helpful. Same with the ex wife, that was messed up. The remaining set of characters isn't very strong. Such a difference with Walking Dead where you have a super strong set of unique individuals.

 

[Chaplin]

The "skills" of the junkie are obvious. Junkies do anything to get their fix, they are slippery, conniving and etc. Once sober, living the hard life he has lived he is far more useful than say a 14 year old girl who spends her whole life looking at her phone. It was painfully obvious and his comments at the end I found unnecessary because that is such an obvious reason why he is in the show but I guess that's why they had the comments there, because people still don't understand why he would be useful in the apocalypse.

Wow, that is reaching. Strand seems perfectly capable to survive this, at least for awhile--he doesn't strike me as someone that needs a junkie to help survive.

The doctor killed herself because she was broken. People break and give up. Not everyone is a hero. I wanted her to come with but she couldn't. Similar to when people tried to stay at the CDC and simply die, they didn't want to face this world.

And you found that believable? I did not, not after her self-righteous speeches she made in the last few episodes to convince Liza to come with her. Either way, it didn't matter, she was a terrible character like everyone else.

I agree, the finale was by FAR the best. I enjoyed it. It had its faults but it was a great showing and will only get better. I really have njothing to complain about at this point.

Travis is evolving. In fact, everyone was suddenly a badass. The transition was not done well but i dont care, I wanted badasses and I got them in the final episode.


Hey guys, we are runniong for our lives and being infested with zombies but can we stop, go back and see my dead mom?

Its all good. Great episode and looking forward to next season. Now comes the original with what I think is going to be an amazing season trying to protect alexandria and to bring rick back down from his kill everyone and take over everything to protect my group mode. I think Morgan will get more aggressive but will also bring Rick back down to earth a little bit.

We'll agree to disagree. It's been awhile since anything having to do with the Walking Dead can be called "amazing".

 

[BigRedRage]

Wow, that is reaching. Strand seems perfectly capable to survive this, at least for awhile--he doesn't strike me as someone that needs a junkie to help survive.



And you found that believable? I did not, not after her self-righteous speeches she made in the last few episodes to convince Liza to come with her. Either way, it didn't matter, she was a terrible character like everyone else.



We'll agree to disagree. It's been awhile since anything having to do with the Walking Dead can be called "amazing".

Strand may be able to survive but having someone who has lived life on earth for years being an addict, being in dangerous situations every day, that is a person who will survive longer than most people in a world like this. Did you notice when he stole Strands key without him knowing? that was him proving his worth to Strand. It is very similar to Daryl from TWD. If you saw him in phoenix today he would just be some redneck dude walking around but after the world ends, the skills he has tracking and feeding himself and etc growing up is far more useful than the skills of a majority of the population who are just sitting around on their electronic devices not learning survival skills.

PS: its not reaching, it is EXACTLY what they are doing with that character. He even went on about it at the end of the episode how he has been living this life for years and feels like everyone else is just catching up.

I thought season 5 was stellar. Have loved every season of TWD but then again, I suspend disbelief and watch it for entertainment. I am not seeking absolute perfection or apocalypse documentary. I still find it funny that with how much mud you fling at the show, you still watch it. You can always turn it off and go weave a basket instead.

 

[Chaplin]

Strand may be able to survive but having someone who has lived life on earth for years being an addict, being in dangerous situations every day, that is a person who will survive longer than most people in a world like this. Did you notice when he stole Strands key without him knowing? that was him proving his worth to Strand. It is very similar to Daryl from TWD. If you saw him in phoenix today he would just be some redneck dude walking around but after the world ends, the skills he has tracking and feeding himself and etc growing up is far more useful than the skills of a majority of the population who are just sitting around on their electronic devices not learning survival skills.

Why did Junkie Depp need to prove his worth to Strand at all? For some unknown reason Strand had already intended to bring him along long before Junkie stole the key. And a big LOL to comparing Junkie Depp to Daryl. That is a pretty ridiculous comparison.

PS: its not reaching, it is EXACTLY what they are doing with that character. He even went on about it at the end of the episode how he has been living this life for years and feels like everyone else is just catching up.

And again, you are proving my point that there is no need for him to have a junkie with him.

I thought season 5 was stellar. Have loved every season of TWD but then again, I suspend disbelief and watch it for entertainment. I am not seeking absolute perfection or apocalypse documentary.

Typical response to criticism of something you disagree with. I'd be curious to know why you thought season 5 was "stellar". I thought it was pretty good in comparison to other seasons, but the show is far from the best on television, no matter it's rating. And I find it arrogant presumption that other people who disagree with you don't watch it for entertainment. Something can be entertaining and make sense at the same time.

I still find it funny that with how much mud you fling at the show, you still watch it. You can always turn it off and go weave a basket instead.

How much mud have I thrown at Walking Dead? That's a pretty broad accusation. I actually don't post all that much on the TWD thread. Do you have proof that I "fling mud" at the show other than the few sentences I posted this morning?

 

[BigRedRage]

Why did Junkie Depp need to prove his worth to Strand at all? For some unknown reason Strand had already intended to bring him along long before Junkie stole the key. And a big LOL to comparing Junkie Depp to Daryl. That is a pretty ridiculous comparison.

And again, you are proving my point that there is no need for him to have a junkie with him.



Typical response to criticism of something you disagree with. I'd be curious to know why you thought season 5 was "stellar". I thought it was pretty good in comparison to other seasons, but the show is far from the best on television, no matter it's rating. And I find it arrogant presumption that other people who disagree with you don't watch it for entertainment. Something can be entertaining and make sense at the same time.


How much mud have I thrown at Walking Dead? That's a pretty broad accusation. I actually don't post all that much on the TWD thread. Do you have proof that I "fling mud" at the show other than the few sentences I posted this morning?

not sure how explaining why he is useful is furthering your point of how he is not useful.

Daryl and the junkie come from similar walks of todays society. They are both on the outside looking in, different, surviving rather than just living a cushy life with no worries. I love Daryl and do not love Junkie depp but they are cut from similar cloths.

What is typical responses? the stuff you are complaining about are all side notes to a large story, not the actual story itself. You are demanding perfection and it wasn't there. They don't seem to care nor did AMC. I am just glad they made the final episode awesome as if they left off as slow and prodding as the last 5 they would lose a lot of interest prior to the new season.

I loved season 5. The first half as the escape and the redemption against terminus that went down was gritty and intense. I loved it. Watching them try to readjust to a regular society in Alexandria I thought also made for great TV. Plus the intro of the new enemy really built some massive suspense for the new season.

Maybe I confused it and someone else was defecating all over TWD every week but then kept watching it, maybe it wasn't you. To be fair, it is typical for you to do such a thing so if I was wrong, I wasn't far off.

I know some of you like to be critical and that is ok, I just don't understand the "that was good but some stuff I didn't agree with happened so I probably wont watch any more"

You would really quit the show after the show finally started? I could see quitting after episode 3 for some reason but to quit after episode 6? it finally became what we were all waiting for it to become.

Yes things can be entertaining and make sense at the same time. Yes they have had some Gaffs in their writing and delivery. Enough to say its unwatchable? to each his own. I am looking forward to the next season.

 

[Chaplin]

not sure how explaining why he is useful is furthering your point of how he is not useful.

Daryl and the junkie come from similar walks of todays society. They are both on the outside looking in, different, surviving rather than just living a cushy life with no worries. I love Daryl and do not love Junkie depp but they are cut from similar cloths.

Daryl was brought up in that kind of environment, Junkie wasn't.

What is typical responses? the stuff you are complaining about are all side notes to a large story, not the actual story itself. You are demanding perfection and it wasn't there. They don't seem to care nor did AMC. I am just glad they made the final episode awesome as if they left off as slow and prodding as the last 5 they would lose a lot of interest prior to the new season.

The main story is so horribly executed, looking at all the "side notes" are the only way to justify continuing to watch.

I loved season 5. The first half as the escape and the redemption against terminus that went down was gritty and intense. I loved it. Watching them try to readjust to a regular society in Alexandria I thought also made for great TV. Plus the intro of the new enemy really built some massive suspense for the new season.

I liked season 5, but didn't love it. I'm glad Terminus ended quickly, but the Morgan tease was a pain considering he didn't really show up until 10 episodes after the tease. And most of the Alexandria episodes were pretty bland.

Maybe I confused it and someone else was defecating all over TWD every week but then kept watching it, maybe it wasn't you. To be fair, it is typical for you to do such a thing so if I was wrong, I wasn't far off.

Again, another personal attack and accusation with no merit.

I know some of you like to be critical and that is ok, I just don't understand the "that was good but some stuff I didn't agree with happened so I probably wont watch any more"

You would really quit the show after the show finally started? I could see quitting after episode 3 for some reason but to quit after episode 6? it finally became what we were all waiting for it to become.

Guess what? We have experience with The Walking Dead, so the hope was that there would be a great kick-ass episode following boring ones. We finally got an ok episode, but not because of the characters, but because walkers finally showed up. I mean, come on, how evil do you have to be to send hundreds of walkers to kill a bunch of people in order to save 2? That is some crazy demented crap there. Good, but probably not what the writer's intended. Pretty sad that the best episode of the series is the one that has more action and less boring characters talking nonsense.

You would really quit the show after the show finally started? I could see quitting after episode 3 for some reason but to quit after episode 6? it finally became what we were all waiting for it to become.

Um, yes. It happens all the time. I'm doing it with Minority Report and I've done it with shows I was with for a lot longer, like Bones. What's the big deal?

 

[Covert Rain]

I agree with Chap...the list is so so so so long of stupidity. Aside from my comment about yet another door being left wide open at Strand's pad being a giant FU to critics of the show.....the other middle finger scene was the tease about Junkie Depp getting eaten.

My hopes were high yet dashed.

I have to agree with the above.....the Doctor character was hardcore. She was already willing to compromise the truth and be harsh because of survival. So, she was wired hardcore for survival. Now all of the sudden.....it's hopeless....I will just sit here and die?

Dumb.

Last but not least, my favorite character so far was completely ruined by letting all the Walkers out. Seriously....you basically killed everyone on that base (including innocents), let loose walkers that would infect any surrounding survivors and probably set off a chain reaction of new infections which could be ground zero for creating a wave of new zombie attacks to large to do anything about??!?

Not to mention where is the military experience here? You are trying to tell me that soldiers didn't have grenades or any other heavy artillery to mow down the walkers? Yet this was a strategic location of huge importance? Oh come on. It was like taking a knife to a gun fight or in this case a gun to a heavy ordinance fight. Sheesh!

The writing on this show is mind numbing bad. There were a ton of changes after Season 1 of the TWD even after pretty much a unanimous successful 1st season. If they can do that for the TWD they 1000% need to do it for this major disappointment.

 

[BigRedRage]

Daryl was brought up in that kind of environment, Junkie wasn't.
The main story is so horribly executed, looking at all the "side notes" are the only way to justify continuing to watch.
I liked season 5, but didn't love it. I'm glad Terminus ended quickly, but the Morgan tease was a pain considering he didn't really show up until 10 episodes after the tease. And most of the Alexandria episodes were pretty bland.
Again, another personal attack and accusation with no merit.
Guess what? We have experience with The Walking Dead, so the hope was that there would be a great kick-ass episode following boring ones. We finally got an ok episode, but not because of the characters, but because walkers finally showed up. I mean, come on, how evil do you have to be to send hundreds of walkers to kill a bunch of people in order to save 2? That is some crazy demented crap there. Good, but probably not what the writer's intended. Pretty sad that the best episode of the series is the one that has more action and less boring characters talking nonsense.
Um, yes. It happens all the time. I'm doing it with Minority Report and I've done it with shows I was with for a lot longer, like Bones. What's the big deal?

Junkie has grown up a junkie. He has learned to survive in horrible conditions. That CAN be an asset in the post world. It wont always be, but it can. Thats as far as it goes, not sure why that is so debatable.

As far as a Morgan tease, i didn't watch any teases so that was irrelevant to me. Glad hes back though. I thought Alexandria was well done and made a lot of sense. The crew is learning how to be civil again after being forced to become animals slowly after the prison and fully after terminus. This next season I think they will settle down and relax a little bit more now that they will be leading Alexandria.

As far as personal attacks, its not a personal attack. You enjoy being a harsh critic of anything you can be, that's not a knock on you personally. Would you say that is not true? You are not a very harsh critic of television/movies and writing in general? The only posts I ever really see from you are in the movies and TV sections and a lot of them are about how bad a lot of stuff is

 

[BigRedRage]

Seriously....you basically killed everyone on that base, let loose walkers that would infect any surrounding survivors and probably set off a chain reaction of new infections which could be ground zero for creating a wave of new zombie attacks to large to do anything about??!?

As far as he was concerned, the military was going to kill him and his family anyway, why does he care what happens to them?

Without his knowledge they were also about to abandon a lot of those people in their cages too. Most of the people in that safe zone were already dead whether he showed up or not.

it was a heinous way to get in but it made for great tv.

 

[Covert Rain]

As far as he was concerned, the military was going to kill him and his family anyway, why does he care what happens to them?

Without his knowledge they were also about to abandon a lot of those people in their cages too. Most of the people in that safe zone were already dead whether he showed up or not.

it was a heinous way to get in but it made for great tv.

Because it wasn't just about him. So....that location was full of innocent people. He not only said screw the soldiers but screw the innocent victims and screw any survivors in the surrounding city. Not to mention the sheer stupidity of release so many walkers you basically couldn't predict how inept the military would be (although we know from watching) and how fast the base would be overrun which defeated the purpose of doing it to begin with.

Not to mention that the main characters who you would think would struggle with the morality of it all went along with it with no problem. That was compounded by the fact, they ignored most of the people locked up inside.

In TWD they did a fantastic job of showing how characters over time had to change their moral compass and cross into the grey but it was very gradual and believable.

You want to know why these characters are so unlikeable? Aside from the stupidity......having no progression in character change makes it worse.

This is the opposite of great TV. Thank god the TWD is starting.

 

[Chaplin]

As far as a Morgan tease, i didn't watch any teases so that was irrelevant to me. Glad hes back though. I thought Alexandria was well done and made a lot of sense. The crew is learning how to be civil again after being forced to become animals slowly after the prison and fully after terminus. This next season I think they will settle down and relax a little bit more now that they will be leading Alexandria.

Huh? The Morgan teases were in the episodes! They weren't trailers.

 

[Chaplin]

Because it wasn't just about him. So....that location was full of innocent people. He not only said screw the soldiers but screw the innocent victims and screw any survivors in the surrounding city.

Not to mention that the main characters who you would think would struggle with the morality of it all went along with it with no problem. That was compounded by the fact, they ignored most of the people locked up inside.

In TWD they did a fantastic job of showing how characters over time had to change their moral compass and cross into the grey but it was very gradual and believable.

You want to know why these characters are so unlikeable? Aside from the stupidity......having no progression in character change makes it worse.

This is the opposite of great TV. Thank god the TWD is starting.

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[BigRedRage]

Because it wasn't just about him. So....that location was full of innocent people. He not only said screw the soldiers but screw the innocent victims and screw any survivors in the surrounding city.

Not to mention that the main characters who you would think would struggle with the morality of it all went along with it with no problem. That was compounded by the fact, they ignored most of the people locked up inside.

In TWD they did a fantastic job of showing how characters over time had to change their moral compass and cross into the grey but it was very gradual and believable.

You want to know why these characters are so unlikeable? Aside from the stupidity......having no progression in character change makes it worse.

This is the opposite of great TV. Thank god the TWD is starting.

the characters as a whole seemed to go from meek to hard as soon as they went through that fence. I found it kind of strange however I just let it happen because the characters were all so meek that I hated them. After that episode I do like the junkie a little bit more, Travis too. The rest are still a little iffy.

Hopefully they do a better job in the future moving forward with character development, I am sure they will. Its probably much easier to have them slowly change in a zombie filled world rather than plodding along through the beginning of it all.

Either way, I see validity in the complaints but that episode was pretty intense and enjoyable and made me roll the rest of the season off of my back a lot better. I still am not sure how I feel about the boat idea though. In fact I was looking forward to the desert and the troubles of surviving there. I was hoping the military left with the kids so they would be forced to head east instead of going to the coast.

 

[BigRedRage]

Huh? The Morgan teases were in the episodes! They weren't trailers.

Oh, those didn't bother me. I thought you meant you saw a trailer with Morgan and he didn't show up until later in the season.