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the characters as a whole seemed to go from meek to hard as soon as they went through that fence. I found it kind of strange however I just let it happen because the characters were all so meek that I hated them. After that episode I do like the junkie a little bit more, Travis too. The rest are still a little iffy.

Hopefully they do a better job in the future moving forward with character development, I am sure they will. Its probably much easier to have them slowly change in a zombie filled world rather than plodding along through the beginning of it all.

Either way, I see validity in the complaints but that episode was pretty intense and enjoyable and made me roll the rest of the season off of my back a lot better. I still am not sure how I feel about the boat idea though. In fact I was looking forward to the desert and the troubles of surviving there. I was hoping the military left with the kids so they would be forced to head east instead of going to the coast.

Look, I have forgiven TWD for much and that show has it's own issues but the one thing it has nailed from day one is characters and situations for the most part. This show literally has taken the opposite approach.

Stupid characters, inept military, nonsensical plot points, no character progression, lack of common sense, creating characters to root for and selling the show as something where you could see the breakdown of society? The show has failed on almost every level.

Plus, I find it hilarious that throughout TWD we have seen militarized rag tag groups be much more effective than the official military on this show. Come on.
 
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the characters as a whole seemed to go from meek to hard as soon as they went through that fence. I found it kind of strange however I just let it happen because the characters were all so meek that I hated them. After that episode I do like the junkie a little bit more, Travis too. The rest are still a little iffy.

I can see liking Travis more. He turned into the guy we thought he would be after episode 1. But why the junkie? He's still a terrible character.

Hopefully they do a better job in the future moving forward with character development, I am sure they will. Its probably much easier to have them slowly change in a zombie filled world rather than plodding along through the beginning of it all.

What makes you so sure? I know it can't be because of TWD. It took a long time for them to make the characters beyond Daryl worth anything. Hell, it took over 2 seasons to make Carol the badass she is now.

Methinks you have a lot of confidence in a writing team that has yet to earn any.

Either way, I see validity in the complaints but that episode was pretty intense and enjoyable and made me roll the rest of the season off of my back a lot better. I still am not sure how I feel about the boat idea though. In fact I was looking forward to the desert and the troubles of surviving there. I was hoping the military left with the kids so they would be forced to head east instead of going to the coast.

This is probably the first paragraph I generally agree with. I'm not sure it rolls the rest of the season away, but it was definitely the most enjoyable episode. Action was great, but characters, writing, plot and story development still aren't any good. At some point you have to decide whether it's worth watching, especially with so much other good stuff on tv.
 

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Look, I have forgiven TWD for much and that show has it's own issues but the one thing it has nailed from day one is characters and situations for the most part. This show literally has taken the opposite approach.

Stupid characters, inept military, nonsensical plot points, no character progression, lack of common sense, creating characters to root for and selling the show as something where you could see the breakdown of society?

The show has failed on almost every level.

Agree with most of this except for TWD's treatment of its characters. It took a couple seasons for them to get it right.
 

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Agree with most of this except for TWD's treatment of its characters. It took a couple seasons for them to get it right.

Yes but despite some of the character missteps they still managed every season to do what this show hasn't. They introduce characters fans latched onto almost immediately. Many of the characters introduced dating back even from the start until now (i.e. Amy, Dale, Glenn, Maggie, Beth, Michonne, Tyrese , Sophia and Hershel etc.) people latched onto despite the flaws. Many of these characters have huge fan followings and when some died the forums blew up. That's not even counting the characters we loved to hate.

Honestly, do you see that happening if any of these characters bit it? Well maybe Junkie Depp but that would be more in celebration.
 
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I can see liking Travis more. He turned into the guy we thought he would be after episode 1. But why the junkie? He's still a terrible character.



What makes you so sure? I know it can't be because of TWD. It took a long time for them to make the characters beyond Daryl worth anything. Hell, it took over 2 seasons to make Carol the badass she is now.

Methinks you have a lot of confidence in a writing team that has yet to earn any.



This is probably the first paragraph I generally agree with. I'm not sure it rolls the rest of the season away, but it was definitely the most enjoyable episode. Action was great, but characters, writing, plot and story development still aren't any good. At some point you have to decide whether it's worth watching, especially with so much other good stuff on tv.

IMO even with its faults it is still some of the best stuff on TV but this is my favorite kind of stuff. As far as taking two season to make anyone worth anything? I think Shane, Rick, Daryl and Glenn were all great right away. In fact, I like the new Glenn less than the old Glenn.

I'm sure just because the other show did it so well so I assume this show will get better at it. We shall see.
 

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IMO even with its faults it is still some of the best stuff on TV but this is my favorite kind of stuff. As far as taking two season to make anyone worth anything? I think Shane, Rick, Daryl and Glenn were all great right away. In fact, I like the new Glenn less than the old Glenn.

I'm sure just because the other show did it so well so I assume this show will get better at it. We shall see.

oh and liking junkie depp more now, he cant get drugs anymore and will evolve into a powerful character. Bet you lunch on it.
 

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oh and liking junkie depp more now, he cant get drugs anymore and will evolve into a powerful character. Bet you lunch on it.

He could evolve into Captain Jack Sparrow and I don't think I would care.
 
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He could involve into Captain Jack Sparrow and I don't think I would care.

lol.

I hated him and wanted him to die but I understand what they are doing with him and think he will be good moving forward. However, I wouldnt be surprised if in the future he finds drugs during a supply run in a season or two, says screw it let me take some and gets eaten while he is high. (i dont think hes a great actor either based on his final scene about how the world is catching up to him)
 

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You mean on pirates of the walking dead :)

Actually the evolution of his character into Jack Sparrow might be appropriate considering we will probably spend the next season on the boat. :mulli:
 
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Junkie has grown up a junkie. He has learned to survive in horrible conditions. That CAN be an asset in the post world. It wont always be, but it can. Thats as far as it goes, not sure why that is so debatable.

As far as a Morgan tease, i didn't watch any teases so that was irrelevant to me. Glad hes back though. I thought Alexandria was well done and made a lot of sense. The crew is learning how to be civil again after being forced to become animals slowly after the prison and fully after terminus. This next season I think they will settle down and relax a little bit more now that they will be leading Alexandria.

As far as personal attacks, its not a personal attack. You enjoy being a harsh critic of anything you can be, that's not a knock on you personally. Would you say that is not true? You are not a very harsh critic of television/movies and writing in general? The only posts I ever really see from you are in the movies and TV sections and a lot of them are about how bad a lot of stuff is :shrug:

In Chap's defense, he is the only one banging the drum in favor of Pan.

And I gotta say, he is hardly in the minority on this one. Beyond the people in this thread, critics are killing this show.

I found this season to be idiotic and poorly written. The last episode may have been more entertaining but it wasn't by virtue of any quality story telling, it was entertaining like a riot or a car wreck. Most of our characters were unsympathetic and stupid, their actions seemed to be driven not by any real motivation other than to move the plot from point to point.

It really seemed like they missed the boat entirely. The first two episodes, while not great, seemed to be setting up a decent "watch society crumble" season. Then in episode 3... society is toast, we glossed over that, LA is empty and all we've got left is some obviously corrupt military dudes who bafflingly are playing protector to a neighborhood of people they plan to kill anyway.

My list of beefs goes a lot longer than that. But among the fresher ones, are we really supposed to believe Daniel wouldn't have beaten Travis within an inch of his life? Travis, in his whiny, wimpy ways nearly gets Daniel's daughter killed, yet Daniel seemed pretty chill about the whole thing moments later. Also, throughout the scenes in the compound Travis was touting a shotgun, he finally ends up in a chance to use it (and where it would make a ton of sense and make for a good story telling book end to when he wouldn't shoot that walked with the sniper rifle) and, poof the shotgun has vanished and he pounds the army dude with his fists. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Just frustrating. The only reason I lasted is because it was a mere 6 episodes. I will probably tune into the season primiere just to see what the plan is with the laughable CGI boat, but IMO they'd be better off wiping the slate clean and doing the "when it all began" story in another city with a different cast.

Oh, I do get the idea of Junkie Depp being useful though. He is a thief, he is conniving, manipulative and opportunistic, I get why Strand would want a guy like that indebted to him.
 

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Oh, I do get the idea of Junkie Depp being useful though. He is a thief, he is conniving, manipulative and opportunistic, I get why Strand would want a guy like that indebted to him.

Are you coming up with that description because you assume he is all those things since he is a junkie, or do you have other evidence? Because from what we've seen he may be opportunistic, but none of the other things.
 

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Are you coming up with that description because you assume he is all those things since he is a junkie, or do you have other evidence? Because from what we've seen he may be opportunistic, but none of the other things.

I'm not claiming to like that character, I was hoping he'd get devoured behind that door while his mother looked on with that same "either zombies are eating my kid or I cut a nasty fart" look she always has on her face. But I do think we've seen him steal, manipulate, connive, ect ect. He manipulated his family throughout, we've seen him steal a bunch of crap, he magically knew where the neighbor kept their gun. Again, I don't like him but I get what Strand was saying.

One other thing about Junkie Depp Sparrow... those ill-fitting old man clothes he has been wearing, he stole those from an old man in the premiere, why the hell is he still wearing them? He was home for weeks between then and when the Army kidnapped him.
 

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One other thing about Junkie Depp Sparrow... those ill-fitting old man clothes he has been wearing, he stole those from an old man in the premiere, why the hell is he still wearing them? He was home for weeks between then and when the Army kidnapped him.

LOL yeah. And he even went SWIMMING while at the house. So he ended up changing BACK INTO those same clothes? Hilarious.
 

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Actually the evolution of his character into Jack Sparrow might be appropriate considering we will probably spend the next season on the boat. :mulli:

:) hopefully the boat is short lived, unless of course somehow boat life makes for awesome tv somehow.

I'm not claiming to like that character, I was hoping he'd get devoured behind that door while his mother looked on with that same "either zombies are eating my kid or I cut a nasty fart" look she always has on her face. But I do think we've seen him steal, manipulate, connive, ect ect. He manipulated his family throughout, we've seen him steal a bunch of crap, he magically knew where the neighbor kept their gun. Again, I don't like him but I get what Strand was saying.

One other thing about Junkie Depp Sparrow... those ill-fitting old man clothes he has been wearing, he stole those from an old man in the premiere, why the hell is he still wearing them? He was home for weeks between then and when the Army kidnapped him.

LMAO at cut a nasty fart face.

As far as junkie, junkies dont change often, maybe he saw no reason to, i dunno. The creator of the show said they just liked it and wanted to keep him in it :shrug:
 

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LOL yeah. And he even went SWIMMING while at the house. So he ended up changing BACK INTO those same clothes? Hilarious.

his mom probably washed his stolen clothes for him to enable him some more too.
 

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We'll agree to disagree. It's been awhile since anything having to do with the Walking Dead can be called "amazing".

It's about time you realized this :)

I have to agree about Kim Dickens. I mean, I only watched a few episodes, and only watched past the first one for the comedy factor, the same reason I ever watched Under the Dome--to laugh at how bad it was. I gave the pilot a fair chance, though, because of Kim Dickens. She was a fantastic actress in Deadwood, and as a lead, I wanted to give her a chance. Too bad the writers are morons who gave her nothing to work with.
 

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It's about time you realized this :)

I have to agree about Kim Dickens. I mean, I only watched a few episodes, and only watched past the first one for the comedy factor, the same reason I ever watched Under the Dome--to laugh at how bad it was. I gave the pilot a fair chance, though, because of Kim Dickens. She was a fantastic actress in Deadwood, and as a lead, I wanted to give her a chance. Too bad the writers are morons who gave her nothing to work with.

She's also directed horribly. It doesn't help that she has a very unexpressive face and appears to stare off into space most of the time. Works for a period piece like Deadwood, but not so much with something like this. She barely has an emotional response to anything. Think about it -- was there ANY difference in her facial expression between when she spoke to the principal in the first episode and then later when he came at her as a zombie? Or when she was about to shoot Liza? Or after Travis actually did?
 

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why in the world would the army create... an army of undead walkers. why not just kill all those people instead of putting them in an arena? that's beyond stupid.

and letting them all out is even dumber. basically that means Daniel is kind of responsible for that entire part of the state being overrun. congrats moron.

that show sucked.
 

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why in the world would the army create... an army of undead walkers. why not just kill all those people instead of putting them in an arena? that's beyond stupid.

and letting them all out is even dumber. basically that means Daniel is kind of responsible for that entire part of the state being overrun. congrats moron.

that show sucked.


I thought the Arena story was something like the infected was spreading in there, they didnt know what to do and just locked them all in there.

There were a few scenes in this season where I had to crank up the volume or I had no idea what was said.
 

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:) hopefully the boat is short lived, unless of course somehow boat life makes for awesome tv somehow.

Here is an idea....have them jump on the boat, there be a big raging storm and they up on a deserted island. You could have all kinds of crazy scenario as they try to live off the island, bake coconut crème pies and have the occasional person....err....zombie stumble upon the island.

Like you said.....awesome TV.
 
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Here is an idea....have them jump on the boat, there be a big raging storm and they up on a island. You could have all kinds of crazy scenario as they try to live off the island, bake coconut crème pies and have the occasional person....err....zombie stumble upon the island.

Like you said.....awesome TV.

Gilligans Island is no longer awesome tv!
 

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Gilligans Island is no longer awesome tv!


All suggested plot lines above are fictitious. Any resemblance to real plot lines from real writers, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - signed Fear of the Walking Dead Writing Staff
 

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Doesn't have quite the effect without the long droning sound from LOST.
 

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I have to agree with the above.....the Doctor character was hardcore. She was already willing to compromise the truth and be harsh because of survival. So, she was wired hardcore for survival. Now all of the sudden.....it's hopeless....I will just sit here and die?

We didn't actually see her die, IIRC, and she did know the way out. Maybe one of the remaining cars had the key under the visor, or she knows how to hotwire? Not assuming this is the case, but this franchise is not above reuniting characters in highly improbably situations...

As that article above points out, at this point the show is TWD West: Los Angeles is as Atlanta was. The boat could be interesting wrinkle. Coming ashore only to scavenge would be a good survival strategy, and undoubtedly there others doing it. But it's hard to imagine the plot taking that route long-term--and it would likely be frustrating because production would force them to stick to the same and similar locations rather than, say, sailing to Hawaii, or another continent.

However, the opportunity the show has is not being bound by pre-existing material in the same way TWD is, however loosely. If they wanted to, they could jump back in time again--most likely via characters Madison, Travis & Co. would meet later. Maybe someone in the media who had detailed knowledge of the early and progressing reports; maybe a conspiracy theorist who was actually on to something; etc.

Or they could all hitch a ride on a train with a cow-catcher and head cross country to meet up with the Grimes Gang...
 

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