Fire Green -- NOW!!

[joeshmo]

Although I dont agree with the thread and think it is a little over-emotional after a tough loss.

At the same time I cant really blast it either, becuase there is no amount of debate that I can add in favor of Green right now except for what Russ already stated.

I think we are all pissed off right now and for good reason. I for one am going to step away for a few days in hopes of not adding any fuel to any fires that are for sure to be started. Sort of a count to 10 process if you will.

 

[Card Trader]

Ridiculous thread. Just plain dumb.

 

[Covert Rain]

This thread wins "biggest over reaction" to a road loss

I would agree with you if this team had a winning history. However, giving this teams history and constant failure, I would say it's almost impossible to overeact to a Cards loss.

Having said that, it's only one loss. My main thing is that this team needs to make some changes. They need to move LD to guard. By using him out of position, you weaken 2 spots on the o-line versus 1.

Also, I would like to see Edge run more out of the one back set. He needs to make quicker cuts. He is not a follow a fullback type of runner. Trying to make him one has made him ineffective the last 2 games.

Also, what's up with our offensive player caller? No shotgun? Poor time management? That's the coordinator.

 

[Mitch]

Do we really have to put up with another year of your constant whining? Didnt we go through this with you last year?

Try to at least come up with something to add to the board. You are boring as hell!

What's your problem, LV? If you want to argue the post, argue it. Show due respect. Red Desert speaks from the heart. Plus, you have to admit...DG has had a whole year to correct the mistakes from last year and this game was deja vu all over again...from the flat start to the plethora of penalties, the turnovers, the lousy play calls and the flat-out awful game/clock management decisions...let alone quitting on the game (an 11 point game, no less).

 

[Card Trader]

What's your problem, LV? If you want to argue the post, argue it. Show due respect. Red Desert speaks from the heart. Plus, you have to admit...DG has had a whole year to correct the mistakes from last year and this game was deja vu all over again...from the flat start to the plethora of penalties, the turnovers, the lousy play calls and the flat-out awful game/clock management decisions...let alone quitting on the game (an 11 point game, no less).

Says the board's #1 Green hater......

 

[Mitch]

Says the board's #1 Green hater......

You know what, Card Trader, you're a cheapshot hit and runner like K9...instead of bashing the posters, why don't you enlighten us with all the reasons why Dennis Green should get a contract extension...that would be very interesting.

Got any reasons...other than adding personnel? and Clancy Pendergast...who was the one coach making adjustments today.

 

[red desert]

What's your problem, LV? If you want to argue the post, argue it. Show due respect. Red Desert speaks from the heart. Plus, you have to admit...DG has had a whole year to correct the mistakes from last year and this game was deja vu all over again...from the flat start to the plethora of penalties, the turnovers, the lousy play calls and the flat-out awful game/clock management decisions...let alone quitting on the game (an 11 point game, no less).

Appreciate the post, Mitch. Thanks.

You know, if certain folks wanted to avoid the "whining" and the "no merit posts" they could chose not to read a thread titled "Fire Green -- now." Don't ya think?

Anyway...

 

[Card Trader]

You know what, Card Trader, you're a cheapshot hit and runner like K9...instead of bashing the posters, why don't you enlighten us with all the reasons why Dennis Green should get a contract extension...that would be very interesting.

Got any reasons...other than adding personnel? and Clancy Pendergast...who was the one coach making adjustments today.

Hmm, you will have to remind me Mitch, where did I say Green should get an extension? See, just you being you, blinded by hatred so you resort to making stuff up or pulling things out of thin air(same thing).

Tell me why YOU think Green should be "fired NOW", brainiac? Just because this guy didn't give you a job as a ball boy doesn't mean you should hate him for it.

 

[Mitch]

You know what, Card Trader, you're a cheapshot hit and runner like K9...instead of bashing the posters, why don't you enlighten us with all the reasons why Dennis Green should get a contract extension...that would be very interesting.

Got any reasons...other than adding personnel? and Clancy Pendergast...who was the one coach making adjustments today.

For the record...I don't HATE anyone. I LOVE the Arizona Cardinals and I want to see them win...if that's at all possible after 43 years of hard knocks (that's how long I've been a fan...I was seven years old when I started).

I have been praising DG recently for bringing a sense of urgency to his media conferences...but, that's all talk...if his team doesn't play iwth a sense of urgency, then who's listening?

 

[Mitch]

Hmm, you will have to remind me Mitch, where did I say Green should get an extension? See, just you being you, blinded by hatred so you resort to making stuff up or pulling things out of thin air(same thing).

Tell me why YOU think Green should be "fired NOW", brainiac? Just because this guy didn't give you a job as a ball boy doesn't mean you should hate him for it.

For the record, I didn't say that DG should be fired now...

I was giving respect to Red Desert for his views.

DG won't be fired now, so it's a moot point.

If DG can stop making these ridiculous coaching errors and the team starts winning on a regular basis...then he deserves to stay. Even he knows he needs to start winning...that's no secret.

 

[red desert]

Green sat Macklin last week. He huffed and puffed quite a bit about his "macho" decision to do so. Some on this board said that would "wake up the rest of the team. Make them step up.

Well...

What about the coach? Yes, the players do play the game. And yes, the players stunk. But can Green really escape the brunt of the blame for this, like so many other losses the Cards have had since he's been here?

Take away his pre Arizona career (which doesn't mean squat to me anyway) and what do you have? A team that is not much better than the Mac team's. Speaking in terms of wons and losses. Did today's o-line really perform any better than Mac's lines?

 

[red desert]

For the record, I didn't say that DG should be fired now...

I was giving respect to Red Desert for his views.

DG won't be fired now, so it's a moot point.

If DG can stop making these ridiculous coaching errors and the team starts winning on a regular basis...then he deserves to stay. Even he knows he needs to start winning...that's no secret.

Of course Green isn't going to be fired now. I just wanted to shop early, you know, to beat the rush.

But to espouse that the thought itself is crazy... well, I say, not really.

 

[conraddobler]

Green sat Macklin last week. He huffed and puffed quite a bit about his "macho" decision to do so. Some on this board said that would "wake up the rest of the team. Make them step up.

Well...

What about the coach? Yes, the players do play the game. And yes, the players stunk. But can Green really escape the brunt of the blame for this, like so many other losses the Cards have had since he's been here?

Take away his pre Arizona career (which doesn't mean squat to me anyway) and what do you have? A team that is not much better than the Mac team's. Speaking in terms of wons and losses. Did today's o-line really perform any better than Mac's lines?

The single thing that hacks me off about Green is that we all knew the line needed work, we all knew it was going to struggle, we all knew the coaching would take time, we all got that.

What we didn't bargin for was that the moron would still be shuffling it in week 2 of the season so that it gets more disastrous by the freakin day!

You cannot do that with a line, you have a new O line coach, you had HAD all of camp to pick 5 guys and let them be for the love of all that is holy, CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE.

 

[Mitch]

The single thing that hacks me off about Green is that we all knew the line needed work, we all knew it was going to struggle, we all knew the coaching would take time, we all got that.

What we didn't bargin for was that the moron would still be shuffling it in week 2 of the season so that it gets more disastrous by the freakin day!

You cannot do that with a line, you have a new O line coach, you had HAD all of camp to pick 5 guys and let them be for the love of all that is holy, CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE.

I agree...although the changes were necessary, IMO...so far they aren't working...but keep making them until they get the best combination.

The problem is...DG should have seen that Wells can't run block at LG long before last week...if we can see it game in and game out, why can't he? And DG is foolish to think that a new o-line coach would be a panacea. That's my opinion, right or wrong. Of course, I still believe that LD is the best LG this team would ever hope of having...alas...

 

[conraddobler]

I agree...although the changes were necessary, IMO...so far they aren't working...but keep making them until they get the best combination.

The problem is...DG should have seen that Wells can't run block at LG long before last week...if we can see it game in and game out, why can't he? And DG is foolish to think that a new o-line coach would be a panacea. That's my opinion, right or wrong. Of course, I still believe that LD is the best LG this team would ever hope of having...alas...

Well we don't have a left tackle if we move Big, those kind of moves you have to do in the offseason.

At this point if I were DG, I'd wash my hands of the line, tell Loney to do whatever he feels will be best for the rest of the year and cease inputting into the process.

DG is the problem, until he proves otherwise, he's the one that loves big linemen, I suspect he's the one calling the shots on who plays where, I suspect Loney has to operate within DG's parameters because if you tell DG off you get fired and replaced with a former player a game or two in.

That's DG to a T and that's the DG I can't stand.

We have the largest worst O line in football, that's a feat.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

What's your problem, LV? If you want to argue the post, argue it. Show due respect. Red Desert speaks from the heart. Plus, you have to admit...DG has had a whole year to correct the mistakes from last year and this game was deja vu all over again...from the flat start to the plethora of penalties, the turnovers, the lousy play calls and the flat-out awful game/clock management decisions...let alone quitting on the game (an 11 point game, no less).

Because all I heard last year was "Fire DG, Fire DG" It is a constant diatribe from this kid (and you for that matter)

I don't know if DG is the answer. I honestly, in my heart don't. I think you have to give him this year, with the talent that he has accumulated, to see what we do. For Christ sakes it was the seahawks, on the road, and it was NOT a blow out.

Why did I never hear from you Mitch during the McGinnis regime and your railing against him? B/c you never did. You have had a personal vendetta against him from day one and frankly it has killed any credibility you have. It is tiresome opening your threads and reading how, no matter what happens, you funnelling the balme back to Green. Yet when McGINNIS was going through his dreadful, awful, pathetic seasons (with loses by 30, 37, 40 points to the Browns, Chiefs etc) I never heard anything from you about coaching.

It is just boring and tiresome and frankly both of your mantra's are played out. Move on already!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Got any reasons...other than adding personnel? and Clancy Pendergast...who was the one coach making adjustments today.

Jesus H Christ!

In typical Mitch fashion you defend one of the biggest offenders of why we got down 14-0 to begin with and start transferring blame back to Green...

It is pathetic.

 

[kerouac9]

You know what, Card Trader, you're a cheapshot hit and runner like K9...

"Hit and runner"? I always back up my takes with facts and evidence from what I see on the field, Mitch. And if you come back with a substansive response, then I respond to it.

I backed up my critique of your crush on Shane Boyd after 15 pass attempts with the assembled evidence of his career as a below-average quaterback at every level on which he played. How that's a "cheap shot," I'll never know.

 

[ajcardfan]

Jesus H Christ!

In typical Mitch fashion you defend one of the biggest offenders of why we got down 14-0 to begin with and start transferring blame back to Green...

It is pathetic.

I was more pissed at Pendergast for sitting back and playing passive D on the first two drives more than anything else that happened in the game. And, I was damn pissed about the walking around late in the game.

 

[Shane]

Because all I heard last year was "Fire DG, Fire DG" It is a constant diatribe from this kid (and you for that matter)

I don't know if DG is the answer. I honestly, in my heart don't. I think you have to give him this year, with the talent that he has accumulated, to see what we do. For Christ sakes it was the seahawks, on the road, and it was NOT a blow out.

Why did I never hear from you Mitch during the McGinnis regime and your railing against him? B/c you never did. You have had a personal vendetta against him from day one and frankly it has killed any credibility you have. It is tiresome opening your threads and reading how, no matter what happens, you funnelling the balme back to Green. Yet when McGINNIS was going through his dreadful, awful, pathetic seasons (with loses by 30, 37, 40 points to the Browns, Chiefs etc) I never heard anything from you about coaching.



It is just boring and tiresome and frankly both of your mantra's are played out. Move on already!

With all due respect all the Gushing Green support around here when we have the same pathetic problems year after year gets old too. Has he upgraded the talent? Most definitely! But there is little question that he may just not be the one to coach it up. Im not calling for his head yet. But if this keeps up I will.

 

[Renz]

Jesus H Christ!

In typical Mitch fashion you defend one of the biggest offenders of why we got down 14-0 to begin with and start transferring blame back to Green...

It is pathetic.

Whoever put Tate one-on-one with Jackson on 3rd-and-long w/out any safety help should be kicked in the sack.

 

[Shane]

Whoever put Tate one-on-one with Jackson on 3rd-and-long w/out any safety help should be kicked in the sack.

coaching

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

With all due respect all the Gushing Green support around here when we have the same pathetic problems year after year gets old too. Has he upgraded the talent? Most definitely! But there is little question that he may just not be the one to coach it up. Im not calling for his head yet. But if this keeps up I will.

No one is gushing Shane, re-read the post. It isnt about Green as much as it is the tiresome finger pointing. If you go back I actually said "I honestly don't know if Green is the answer"

On another note, why don't I see some serious finger pointing at Pendy and Rowen? I mean this board, and apparently the NFL, had a virtual love fest with him after year one. But since then, he has done very little and I see no identity to this defense. One minute they are dropping 8 in coverage and dancing with the lineman, and the next they are sending corner blitzes and running DT/DE stunts. I don't see any toughness with this defense. I dunno, maybe I am wrong.

 

[Shane]

No one is gushing Shane, re-read the post. It isnt about Green as much as it is the tiresome finger pointing. If you go back I actually said "I honestly don't know if Green is the answer"

On another note, why don't I see some serious finger pointing at Pendy and Rowen? I mean this board, and apparently the NFL, had a virtual love fest with him after year one. But since then, he has done very little and I see no identity to this defense. One minute they are dropping 8 in coverage and dancing with the lineman, and the next they are sending corner blitzes and running DT/DE stunts. I don't see any toughness with this defense. I dunno, maybe I am wrong.

I agree with your take on the coordinators especially Pendy(his 15 yard cushions are ridiculous). Problem with that is Green is there and is still the headcoach of this team so he takes ultimate reponsibility. He is known to have an offensive mind. So why cant he see the problems? Why doesnt he take over the calling of plays if Rowen is so bad etc..... He and he alone is responsible in the end. He has the authority to script the plays, call the plays, and change the game plan if its not working.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This thread makes the board melt-down official.

Nice work gentlemen.