Fire Green -- NOW!!

[CHAPTER 7]

I'm starting to wonder aloud if Dennis Green has any input as to what goes on the field during a game. It's almost like he just hides behind the coaches and only worries about the draft and personel he puts on the field and lets the coaches sort it out

Denny gets the credit for the 15-1 season he had in Minnesota but his coaches that lead that team went on to bigger and better things with other teams and have had success while Denny has not.

He needs to be a GM. I give him this for his talent evaluation. We need someone else as HC who can do all the other things that other successful coach does in this league.

 

[English on tour]

i can believe this thread is still going

 

[conraddobler]

I have my issues with Green's coaching as well, but to say we should fire him now is absolutely ridiculous. For starters, who the hell would be the coach? Pendergast is massively overrated by this board, his side of the ball makes the same bonehead mistakes the offense does yet he gets way with it for whatever reason. The offensive coaching is obviously a problem as well, doubt if there any diamonds in the rough over there that could handle HC duties.

Green will coach out the rest of the year - if we're not 8-8 then he'll likely be fired and all of you guys (myself included should we not go at least .500) can get your wish. Let's also remember that firing him right now would probably prevent any good coach from ever agreeing to sign here and we'd end up with some scrub like Rod Marinelli in Detroit after they unceremoniously dumped Mooch. No coach worth a damn is going to take over a crapheap franchise and only get two years to turn things around.

9-7 or he's toast.

8-8 is three full seasons without a winning record, = gone.

 

[JC_AZ]

Ditka

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Denny is the master insulator. I have read here he does not game plan offensively...for HIS offensive system. I have heard he does not call any offensive plays during the game...for HIS offensive system.

While the defensive system appears bastardized now, it is still, in some small part HIS defensive system.

I have heard him say that during the week he works with the scout team during practice. Makes for great press but when your 1st and 2nd teams are mediocre AT BEST right now, well one would think he would be front and center game planning the entire game and letting the scout team do their thing.

It is always someone elses fault when it comes to Denny...OL coaches, coordinators, racist local media, injuries, incompetent front office typeset al yet I am not sure Denny ever looks in the mirror for his teams faults.

Denny sets up everyone else for the fall and he comes out smelling good with his guaranteed gig at ESPN when he leaves.

How does Denny set everyone else up for the fall? Quite the opposite in my book. Didn't he stay loyal to Hargraves and Solomon? How did he set up Brian Belick,Tony Dungy, and Mike Tice? All of them give tremendous kudos to Green for showing them how to be a head coach and getting them their head coaching jobs.

Not many HC gameplan. Not in college, not in the pros. There are some exceptions but mainly, most HC oversee the day-to-day, run practices, evaluate talent, veto offensive and defensive gameplans/strategies/personel moves. I would hardly call Green the exception to that rule.

 

[D-Dogg]

i can believe this thread is still going

Yeah, and that for some people, this thread started the day Denny got hired.

 

[JeffGollin]

Overreact --NOW!!

Two things I guaranteed would happen today on the BRS were:

1. Fan clamor to "Fire Green"

2. Fan pressure to replace KW with Leinart.

Both are in the same category as when little kids throw temper tantrums because you won't give them candy at 8:15 am.

You can make the case that "it's early" or you can make the case that "the time to raise a red flag is now. Thing of it is: We're still 1 & 1, having lost a game most people penciled in as a "L" anyway. If our objective is still to make the playoffs this year, it won't be helpful to fire our HC (who do you want to bring in to replace Dennis - Mike Ditka?)

KW admittedly had a rotten game yesterday, but 3/4 of his problem was that his blockers gave him little or no time to swallow his spit, let alone make fundamentally good decisions.

So why my emotions tend to lean in the direction of "fire everybody, cut everybody and move the team to Fargo" - the best thing we can do to re-point our season in the right direction is to immediately focus on St. Louis and what we need to do to straighten out our most glaring problems, keep team morale upbeat and beat the Rams.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Yeah, and that for some people, this thread started the day Denny got hired.

See I do agree with you!

 

[D-Dogg]

8-8 is three full seasons without a winning record, = gone.

Nope, 8-8 is good improvement, and he stays. However, after 8-8 he'd have to have a winning season the next year or gone.

I'm fairly sure this is the way the Bidwills are looking at it too. They want playoffs this year, but if they feel a corner has been turned they will be fine. One of their major goals, as relayed by Michael Bidwill, is to have a shot at playing in the first Super Bowl in their own building.

Firing an 8-8 coach isn't the way to do that...

 

[conraddobler]

Nope, 8-8 is good improvement, and he stays. However, after 8-8 he'd have to have a winning season the next year or gone.

I'm fairly sure this is the way the Bidwills are looking at it too. They want playoffs this year, but if they feel a corner has been turned they will be fine. One of their major goals, as relayed by Michael Bidwill, is to have a shot at playing in the first Super Bowl in their own building.

Firing an 8-8 coach isn't the way to do that...

I bet you 100$ if he goes 8-8 he's gone. It's a fairly safe bet for both of us, we only have to sweat it if they in fact end up 8-8.

 

[abomb]

I bet you 100$ if he goes 8-8 he's gone.

You can count me in on that one. If he quits, that is another story...

 

[D-Dogg]

I bet you 100$ if he goes 8-8 he's gone.

I only bet in beers. A six of Stella that if he goes 8-8 the team will not release him (him leaving on his own accord is not part of the equation).

 

[conraddobler]

You can count me in on that one. If he quits, that is another story...

Nope he's either here or not here or no deal.

Didn't say he'd be fired.

 

[conraddobler]

I only bet in beers. A six of Stella that if he goes 8-8 the team will not release him (him leaving on his own accord is not part of the equation).

k deal since it's only 6 bears.

I mean beers, I don't know i could pay 6 bears, theres the trapping of them then transportation the feeding, vet bills and then the delivery would be comical to say the least.

 

[abomb]

Nope he's either here or not here or no deal.

Didn't say he'd be fired.

OK. OK.

 

[JC_AZ]

So why my emotions tend to lean in the direction of "fire everybody, cut everybody and move the team to Fargo" - the best thing we can do to re-point our season in the right direction is to immediately focus on St. Louis and what we need to do to straighten out our most glaring problems, keep team morale upbeat and beat the Rams.

Maybe just pointed in a CONSISTENT direction and that all players and coaches know what IT is...

Looking at Q's face after the game was pretty telling at how disgusted he was with the whole situation.

 

[Russ Smith]

I only bet in beers. A six of Stella that if he goes 8-8 the team will not release him (him leaving on his own accord is not part of the equation).

That really complicates the bet because NFL teams almost never tell the truth when a coach leaves.

I mean Green was fired in Minnesota he just refused to coach out the season by quitting.

 

[conraddobler]

It's just beer and it only comes into play if we finish 8-8.

If it's money then well it's going to be he's here or he's not, dosen't matter why.

BTW I'm not opening this up to anyone, clearly it's just me and ddog, no one else gets this action, the window is closed.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's just beer and it only comes into play if we finish 8-8.

If it's money then well it's going to be he's here or he's not, dosen't matter why.

BTW I'm not opening this up to anyone, clearly it's just me and ddog, no one else gets this action, the window is closed.

Just beer.

I'm terrible with betting money so I avoid it at all costs.

 

[D-Dogg]

k deal since it's only 6 bears.

I mean beers, I don't know i could pay 6 bears, theres the trapping of them then transportation the feeding, vet bills and then the delivery would be comical to say the least.

And finding 6 bears named Stella would be very difficult.

 

[AZCB34]

Denny gets a free pass from me this year as we all know, rebuilding an OL takes a good 7-10 years.

Having said that with tongue firmly in cheek, Denny shouldn't be fired now because it is nonsensical and he won't be fired after this year regardless of the outcome.

LVCard...if you listen to his pressers, I rarely if ever hear of any introspection into himself for his teams crappy play. He passes EVERYTHING bad off onto others without ever offering up any weaknesses on his part. Yet when he discusses things that go well, he is sure to insert himself into the equation. I won't discuss the point further because you don't wish to hear/see some things (I am no different...Denny can do little right (and has done little right) by my book and I am willing to admit it).

 

[conraddobler]

And finding 6 bears named Stella would be very difficult.

Yes but delivering them on your doorstep at 4:00 in the morning would be priceless....

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes but delivering them on your doorstep at 4:00 in the morning would be priceless....

 

[bigredjane]

k deal since it's only 6 bears.

I mean beers, I don't know i could pay 6 bears, theres the trapping of them then transportation the feeding, vet bills and then the delivery would be comical to say the least.

 

[ajcardfan]

I bet you 100$ if he goes 8-8 he's gone. It's a fairly safe bet for both of us, we only have to sweat it if they in fact end up 8-8.

Mike Bidwill was recently interviewed and he said the mandate for Bugel to have an 8-8 season, or get fired, was, I quote, "A stupid mistake that we will not repeat."

If you remember, in Bugels last season the first 8 games were a huge disappointment, but the team finished strong with the 6th ranked offense in the league and 7-9. So, while won/loss record is the most important factor, it shouldn't be the only factor.

If he is fired at 8-8 or so, then they had damn better well have a top notch replacement already lined up. I don't think we could fare very well in a coach search when you take into account things like we are still 10 million under the cap and didn't get some help that Denny wanted.