Fire Petzing now

[GoldGloveschmidt]

LOL… who the hell besides the biggest Kyler honks were claiming him to be never an MVP candidate?! Y’all live in bizarro world.

Here you go

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Maybe "Bizzaro world" is .. reality? Where people actually watch the whole football game and don't just throw the remote at the TV and curse the quarterback when the team sucks.

 

[GatorAZ]

You can't argue with these guys, a couple weeks ago Kurt Warner and Orlovsky said they were wrong but they held firm that they were right and a HOF QB and another ex-NFL QB were dumb and had no clue. The Kyler haters on this board say that still shots tell the whole story

QB’s defend Qb’s this isn’t new. Kyler should’ve seen at hit MHJ when he was wide open in Buffalo whether there was a still shot of it or not. No more excuses for Kyler.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

GoldGloveschmidt dealing out tremendous punishment to the K1 detractors tonight!

What a beating!

Somebody stop the fight!

 

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Maybe "Bizzaro world" is .. reality? Where people actually watch the whole football game and don't just throw the remote at the TV and curse the quarterback when the team sucks.

Let's be real, dude, some guy named Cheesy on a message board knows more than pro QBs about playing QB. You can post all the ex NFL QBs and HOFers that say he and the Kyler haters are wrong, but they know more...don't fight it

 

[D-Dogg]

You’re right… the problem is he CAN’T throw that ball because a) he’s too slow to read the defense and b) he’s too small to make a throw from that position without the ball getting batted down. A good QB who isn’t automatically buried under a line because he’s 5’9 sure as hell can make that throw.

And to be honest, even with his limitations so can he. That ball needs to be fired out immediately and the play is there. And if he can’t, he’s not a starting QB for a team that has any serious intention of being consistently good.

A is right. B is not. IMO.

 

[D-Dogg]

QB’s defend Qb’s this isn’t new. Kyler should’ve seen at hit MHJ when he was wide open in Buffalo whether there was a still shot of it or not. No more excuses for Kyler.

There was zero opportunity there. Stop looking at screenshots. Watch the All 22 and the game. Best case there was a rushed overthrow. Worst case was a sack strip fumble. He lucked into a short throw for first down.

Many anti kyler arguments to be made. Screenshot nonsense isn't it.

 

[Stout]

Disagree. He can't throw that, at all.

If he takes the snap, plants his foot, and throws the ball as the receiver (either of them) breaks, it's an easy and unstoppable 1st. Instead he dithers and it's way too late. He can't play with timing or rhythm. It crushes us a lot of the time.

 

[Stout]

Yep.. and two weeks ago he was an MVP candidate, now they want him traded. Laughable. It's a team sport and our team is horrible.

Two weeks ago he was awesome, for one game. I gave him credit. Everyone gave him credit. It was universal on this board. What did that net us from the Kyler stans? A bunch of gradeschool mockery and silly crow eating posts. One had a form asking why people hated Kyler for no reason. Pretty sad.

Unfortunately for the stans (and us regular fans), he wasn't and isn't an MVP candidate. One game out of four isn't good odds.

The difference between us is, when he has a good game, I and others can recognize it. When he has a bad game, "Oh God, it's the OC, it's the talent on the team, it's how high the grass was cut, but don't you dare hate on our guy Kyler!" If you and the other stans had even an iota of acceptance that KM ain't perfect, there wouldn't be any issues. There wouldn't be huge arguments or the word hater thrown around. But no, not a single criticism is allowed. I have no idea why. My assumption is that stans just love the player more than anything. What else can explain blind devotion like this?

 

[Stout]

GoldGloveschmidt dealing out tremendous punishment to the K1 detractors tonight!

What a beating!

Somebody stop the fight!

Don't tell me you've gone full stan, too?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Don't tell me you've gone full stan, too?

Oh I'm just joking around a little Stout!

It's not as if this week is a battle for the very soul of AFSN, is it?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Two weeks ago he was awesome, for one game. I gave him credit. Everyone gave him credit. It was universal on this board. What did that net us from the Kyler stans? A bunch of gradeschool mockery and silly crow eating posts. One had a form asking why people hated Kyler for no reason. Pretty sad.

Unfortunately for the stans (and us regular fans), he wasn't and isn't an MVP candidate. One game out of four isn't good odds.

The difference between us is, when he has a good game, I and others can recognize it. When he has a bad game, "Oh God, it's the OC, it's the talent on the team, it's how high the grass was cut, but don't you dare hate on our guy Kyler!" If you and the other stans had even an iota of acceptance that KM ain't perfect, there wouldn't be any issues. There wouldn't be huge arguments or the word hater thrown around. But no, not a single criticism is allowed. I have no idea why. My assumption is that stans just love the player more than anything. What else can explain blind devotion like this?

Totally wrong, there is plenty of room to criticize Kyler but that's not what happens around here at all. People really behave as if he is the reason we got blown out, and trading him away will solve our problems.

 

[TheCardFan]

To be fair - the play call on 4th and goal on first TD was bad as well.

That throw to MHJ was very difficult and had to be perfect. Thankfully, it was but that was a bad call IMO.

 

[Stout]

To be fair - the play call on 4th and goal on first TD was bad as well.

That throw to MHJ was very difficult and had to be perfect. Thankfully, it was but that was a bad call IMO.

Agreed all around. I saw that throw of his and thought he'd be in for a great day.

 

[Stout]

Totally wrong, there is plenty of room to criticize Kyler but that's not what happens around here at all. People really behave as if he is the reason we got blown out, and trading him away will solve our problems.

Cool, so we agree he can be better. We can also agree that he's not the sole reason we got blown out. This team has issues.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Cool, so we agree he can be better. We can also agree that he's not the sole reason we got blown out. This team has issues.

Yeah, my main issue with Kyler is how bad he plays when the offensive line sucks. And let's be honest, the offensive line sucked on Sunday against a BAD pass rush. When Kyler doesn't trust his protection, he becomes a one-read quarterback, pre-determines where the ball is going to go before the snap, and rushes everything.

Once the team has rebuilt the trenches, has respectable play from the OL and DL, has a decent pass rush, if Kyler still can't get it done then we can bring somebody else in and they will have a good foundation to start with.

If we replace the quarerback now and still have crappy trenches, we only make things worse and probably ruin ANOTHER prospect.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Yeah, my main issue with Kyler is how bad he plays when the offensive line sucks. And let's be honest, the offensive line sucked on Sunday against a BAD pass rush. When Kyler doesn't trust his protection, he becomes a one-read quarterback, pre-determines where the ball is going to go before the snap, and rushes everything.

Once the team has rebuilt the trenches, has respectable play from the OL and DL, has a decent pass rush, if Kyler still can't get it done then we can bring somebody else in and they will have a good foundation to start with.

If we replace the quarerback now and still have crappy trenches, we only make things worse and probably ruin ANOTHER prospect.

He had time against Detroit and the defense held the Lions to only 20 points (zero points in the second half) and our QB play was still pretty meh.

 

[BritCard]

Naw, on All 22, those DBs are downhill. That's a pick 6 if he throws it with the line bunched up and empty backfired. Sack was not horrible, throw away is the same result.

The playcall of double hitches in empty shotgun on 4th and 1 when you have Connor and Kyler available was malpractice.

It is when you have a QB that can't throw with anticipation.

If you're running hitches like that then the ball has to be out well before now. It's a perfectly fine play call, if you have a QB who can throw without being able to see the WR's eyes.

For 90% of the QB's in the league this is an easy throw, the pressure is on the WR to turn, find the ball already in the air, and catch it.

So yeah, I guess you can blame Petzing for believing Kyler can do this.

 

[BritCard]

Nah… that picture is a half or full second layer where Kyler has already waited too long to get the ball out. That’s got to be an immediate hitter so that when those guys turn, like do in the first pic.

Yup, a hitch is designed for the ball to be out quick, ideally before they even turned, as the CB will react later. Ball should be well out by then, not even a difficult throw and timing comes from practice.

Hike, count to one, throw it at the WR's back.

 

[phillycard]

We can't go from "Petzing is great" to "Fire Petzing" in like 2 weeks.

There was lots on that game that was on Kyler. I'm not sure what an OC can do when your QB can't handle man coverage.

Nobody came out of this game with any credit, blame everywhere, not least of which was the staff for a weak game plan, but Petzing is still one of the better OC's in the league.

I'm not going there but damn that was bad. When we as fans can literally yell at the TV a better scheme than what we're witnessing, the lion's share of your good will goes out the window. This wasn't just a typical loss. It was much more than that.

 

[phillycard]

There at LEAST has to be a talk by Gannon on the 3rd and 4th and short play calls the last couple of weeks. I mean, this offense is supposedly hanging it's hat on a strong offensive line and RB. Yet, on 4th and 1 against the Lions we try to sneak Kyler around the corner against a fast defense who was expecting that call. 4th and 1 at the goal line yesterday, a high risk pass that actually worked. But, a bad call IMO. 3rd and 1, with Conner in, shotgun pass. No play action even. 4th and 1 later, shotgun pass, no play action even.

Now, you absolutely can also criticize Kyler on those last two plays. But, RUN THE DAMN BALL. Do you think the line is good? Then TRUST them. For better or worse. Go down with your strength if you are going down.

AJ, I drunkenly said the same thing on Sunday. I can absolutely live with the results getting stuffed at the line. It's what 4th and 1 is all about. You have one of the most violent, physical runners in all of football, you let him earn his pay, not get cute to prove you're the smartest man in the room. Scust!

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I still think this team will click on offense soon. Losing our RT hurt alot, if kyler has time he will make the exact throw they need. He just needs to trust his reads and execute better--- a better oline would help with that.