Fire Petzing now

[Harry]

Everyone wants Petzing to call 20 yard passes with a receiving group that shows no sign of getting open 20 yards down the field and an Oline that can’t hold a pocket long enough to let the receivers get that deep. This roster is just not designed to execute 20+ yard plays. You see one occasionally but not on third and long when the opponent is defending against it, it’s a bridge too far. They might try rolling Murray out and if he had time to setup, maybe it might work, but more likely he throw on the run and just floats an interception vulnerable ball.

 

[602 Native]

Everyone wants Petzing to call 20 yard passes with a receiving group that shows no sign of getting open 20 yards down the field and an Oline that can’t hold a pocket long enough to let the receivers get that deep. This roster is just not designed to execute 20+ yard plays. You see one occasionally but not on third and long when the opponent is defending against it, it’s a bridge too far. They might try rolling Murray out and if he had time to setup, maybe it might work, but more likely he throw on the run and just floats an interception vulnerable ball.

Zero tds for our best weapon.
Running Demercado instead of Benson
Not scheming for CHJ.

Your post has nothing to do with the above.

 

[Stout]

Gannon would fire his mother. He’s plenty tough despite his demeanor.

TBD

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Everyone wants Petzing to call 20 yard passes with a receiving group that shows no sign of getting open 20 yards down the field and an Oline that can’t hold a pocket long enough to let the receivers get that deep. This roster is just not designed to execute 20+ yard plays. You see one occasionally but not on third and long when the opponent is defending against it, it’s a bridge too far. They might try rolling Murray out and if he had time to setup, maybe it might work, but more likely he throw on the run and just floats an interception vulnerable ball.

I think the problem is there are very few plays made over the middle in the 10-15 yard range. Kyler tried one last week and it was picked. He's not good at that. Everything is underneath, on the sidelines for an 8-10 yard out, or a Murray heave and hope deep ball.
Good offenses utilize the middle of the field.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If nothing else ya kinda gotta admire self confidence

I’ve always had an extensive vocabulary (that’s what you get when you grow up as a voracious reader, thanks mom and dad!), so I almost always assume I’m in the right when it comes to word choice. But, sometimes I get tripped up (damn tech). To be honest, I tried to reproduce that just now and I don’t even know I did it the first time! Words - great. Tech - not so much.

 

[oaken1]

I’ve always had an extensive vocabulary (that’s what you get when you grow up as a voracious reader, thanks mom and dad!), so I almost always assume I’m in the right when it comes to word choice. But, sometimes I get tripped up (damn tech). To be honest, I tried to reproduce that just now and I don’t even know I did it the first time! Words - great. Tech - not so much.

I understand as I have always had the same issue. Though over the years I have learned to streamline my speech for mass consumption. But I love being a word nerd. when I was 7 or so I used to read the dictionary on the dumper. It started because my dad remodeled the bathroom and I could not reach all the shampoo bottles and such.

 

[Morty]

With no deep receiving threat and a mediocre middle of the Oline it would be hard for any QB to look great. That said Murray still lacks composure and that second interception was a rookie mistake. I still think he’s good enough to win with but the coaching needs to be more demanding. It was one thing to speak highly of Murray as Gannon did while taking over. It’s quite another to tolerate a lack of presence and leadership. Time to start pressuring Murray if Murray wants the job. I’m bringing in a veteran backup next season and adding an ultimatum. Murray either seizes the job or moves on.

Harry - great point and analysis of a very complicated moving object. PFF does have our line rated fairly high which is encouraging. And sometimes Murray does pass they eye test in the pocket. But other times as been mentioned many times, he looks out of control and throws off his back foot. Hopefully, next year the line will continue to improve. Giving Murray the opportunity to continue growing in the pocket. He has shown some improvement this year. Do you see more chances for improvement for the offense or defense next year? Any thoughts on what QB could push Murray?

 

[tennis-player]

Harry - great point and analysis of a very complicated moving object. PFF does have our line rated fairly high which is encouraging. And sometimes Murray does pass they eye test in the pocket. But other times as been mentioned many times, he looks out of control and throws off his back foot. Hopefully, next year the line will continue to improve. Giving Murray the opportunity to continue growing in the pocket. He has shown some improvement this year. Do you see more chances for improvement for the offense or defense next year? Any thoughts on what QB could push Murray?

You are hoping for that next year Murray will grow in the pocket and improve? This is year number six.

 

[Morty]

You are hoping for that next year Murray will grow in the pocket and improve? This is year number six.

Hey Tennis player (I too like tennis), yes I'm hoping as most likely he will be back. I'm hoping an improved line could keep Kyler from getting rattled as much. Year six with the team but really he has just over 1 year with this coaching staff. I'm also hoping the defense will continue to improve. Do you think they can find a replacement for him?

 

[tennis-player]

Hey Tennis player (I too like tennis), yes I'm hoping as most likely he will be back. I'm hoping an improved line could keep Kyler from getting rattled as much. Year six with the team but really he has just over 1 year with this coaching staff. I'm also hoping the defense will continue to improve. Do you think they can find a replacement for him?

I was hoping that this year Kyler would improve in a run based offense that does not put the pressure on him to be the hero like Kingsbury's did. I have now given up that hope. I do not think that Kyler will improve on what we see he is. I think we are stuck with him through 2025. We should sign a veteran to back him up and maybe replace him, or draft a 3rd round quarterback with the hope he can be the future.

 

[602 Native]

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[kerouac9]

This offense is really, really reliant on James Conner. He's not going to get any younger; he's only going to decline. It' boggling that we can't integrate Benson better into this.

 

[D-Dogg]

Thread still stands.

 

[Dayman]

The TE screen on 3rd and long was classic Petzing.

That being said, I thought the offense actually functioned pretty well today when they stopped trying to force the ball to Marvin.

 

[602 Native]

The TE screen on 3rd and long was classic Petzing.

That being said, I thought the offense actually functioned pretty well today when they stopped trying to force the ball to Marvin.

Dude calls plays like it’s the 1960s.

Feel like I’m watching the winged t offense.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bad thing is with the team showing marked improvement in the standings, I doubt Gannon makes any changes to the staff and I doubt anyone is hiring Petzing for HC.

 

[kerouac9]

There’s very little real argument to can Petzing after a season when we doubled our win total and the vibes will be (relatively) good. Petzing might still get HC interviews.

 

[imaCafan]

What about Rallis as HC material? The script was flipped. On paper if we had any chance of winning we would have to score a lot with our offense, since it was going to be the strong side of the ball, because our paper thin defense would stop anybody this year. I'm guessing JG is getting most of the credit for our defense.

 

[kerouac9]

What about Rallis as HC material? The script was flipped. On paper if we had any chance of winning we would have to score a lot with our offense, since it was going to be the strong side of the ball, because our paper thin defense would stop anybody this year. I'm guessing JG is getting most of the credit for our defense.

Because our defense is objectively bad

 

[imaCafan]

I've read terms like "overachieving" and "overperforming" based on the lack of talent on the D side of the ball. That's why I ask.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

No matter what we think or what we perceive, it's stats like this that will likely keep Petzing around for 2025.

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[602 Native]

No matter what we think or what we perceive, it's stats like this that will likely keep Petzing around for 2025.

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I wonder what changed from 2023 offense to 2024 offense for such a drastic turn around?

 

[ajcardfan]

I wonder what changed from 2023 offense to 2024 offense for such a drastic turn around?

If you look at yesterday's game it showed it in a nutshell. We have significantly improved on 3rd down. The game clinching drive yesterday was 4 for 4 on 3rd down.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I wonder what changed from 2023 offense to 2024 offense for such a drastic turn around?

QB1! His QBR has been at or near the top of the league all year. Not flashy, but it's obvious they wanted to see him work within the tight constraints of the offense and improve the overall efficiency.

I know the Detroit model of a rebuild has been mentioned...and I think this is something they made Goff going through, too...as he always had talent, but would make boneheaded mistakes occasionally. Once they got to year 3 and guys like St Brown were no longer rookies and were more developed, they really expanded that offense and it's continued this year. They also infused a lot more talent at that point, too. They lost a bunch of close games to better teams in year 2 (sound familiar) and were chasing a playoff spot into the final week.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

If you look at yesterday's game it showed it in a nutshell. We have significantly improved on 3rd down. The game clinching drive yesterday was 4 for 4 on 3rd down.

Kyler was really good on 3rd down. The other area they drastically improved is in the RedZone.