Fitz and Skelton

[TJ]

First off thrilled at the win 8-8 so much more fun than 7-9.

Fitz is insane that last catch is just so typical of him, unreal. I would say a conservative estimate is about 25% of Skelton's passing yards today are directly attributable to Fitz, plays that other WR's on this team simply can't make. He's making Skelton look better than he is, not that he doesn't make all QB's look better but with Skelton it's really obvious.

Now for the kicker, Skelton is in my opinion going to take a year or more off Larry's career if he doesn't improve, all the damn high throws and throws behind on crossing patters leave Larry exposed to big hits and force him to make leaping and diving catches game after game. You can see it every game Fitz gets up and has that what the hell is wrong with this guy look on his face. He's such a competitor he still lays out for the team, but if Skelton can't get more accurate he's going to shorten the career of the best WR in the history of this franchise.

Fitz has proven to me (at least) that he's the best wide receiver in the game. The man gets it done regardless of who is throwing him the ball. Unlike guys like Megatron and AJ, Fitz does not have a consistent option at QB at the moment. I noted a month ago in another thread that 11 quarterbacks have completed TD passes to Fitz in his 8 year career. Not only does he have to work on his talent, but also has to adjust his style of play to whomever is behind center seemingly every season (sometimes game-to-game). If Fitz had a guy like Warner throwing to him his entire career, he'd have Jerry Rice numbers consistently.

Those catches he made yesterday were just flat out sick. He looked like Stretch Armstrong with glue on his hands. Fitz just gets it as a wide receiver.

As for Skelton, I think you are spot on in your analysis. Yesterday, he was not on point with any of his receivers, including Fitz. He consistently puts too much air under the ball and overthrows his receivers to a point where any potential for defensive pass interference is negated because the ball is deemed "uncatchable." This is all while demonstrating that ability to step into the pocket, which many Cardinal fans seem to clamor over.

Skelton's inaccuracy is a concern for me moving forward into 2012. Even when the guy is comfortable in the pocket, he still overthrows and throws behind receivers on top of making questionable decisions, such as throwing across his body (a huge quarterback no-no). His misfires look eerily similar to Derek Anderson's missed passes. I truly hope he improves in these departments.

I think many fans (including myself) want to see a true QB competition next offseason between Skelton and Kolb to show who is more competent to handle the position long-term. I contend that if Skelton does not improve in the areas I mentioned, Kolb (barring health concerns) wins the job by the 2nd preseason game.

 

[Cardiac]

Not every throw was exactly where it needed to be so that only Fitz could get the ball.
That slant pass in OT where Fitz one handed it was at least 3 feet to far ahead of him and it wasn't necessary to put it there.

Skelton played a much better game today for the entire game that in his past several starts. Yes Fitz bailed him out on a couple of throws but quite honestly that's the expectation. QB's on coached to throw to Fitz even if he is covered because that's the strength of this game.

Skelton MUST do a better job with his accuracy, to state otherwise is more then a bit silly. I for one think he can improve his accuracy as he gets more reps and knows the Offense better. In the NFL things happen in nano seconds and when it takes Skelton a little bit longer to know where is secondary read is it will throw of his mechanics a bit.

Knowing when and where to throw the ball without having to take that extra nano second to think about it will improve any QB's accuracy.

Anyone who thinks we have absolutely seen Skeltons ceiling is way off base IMWO. He may not improve much more but I highly doubt that is the case. Let's get him a true offseason with OTA's, mini camps and training camp before we call him a bust.

Let's also do the same for Kolb.

 

[Mulli]

Oh..so you're not biased against Skelton at all you just think he sucks. Not only that you can predict the future as well! Glad you cleared that up.

Is the announcer, Chad Pennington, biased against Skelton? He was pointing out Skelton's failure to reset his feet before throwing.

 

[Russ Smith]

Nothing has been said about Skelton's health issue before the game. Between that and his sore kneee, maybe that might explain some of his wildness, but probably not. Especially his wildness early in the game.

Unless he faints every week before the game no I don't think that's why he was throwing high yesterday.

 

[Russ Smith]

EXACTLY!!! If Fitz doesn't want to take the hits, or if we the fans don't want him to take the hits, then we should expect his targets to go down by 10 per game. I watched so many of those 'high' throws to Fitz and said, 'geeze, it cleared the defender's fingers by about an inch', and 'man, if he didn't put it upstairs where only Fitz could go get it, that would have been a pick'.

The FACT is that this is how Fitz makes his living--going up and over defenders to catch balls that only he can catch. It only makes his durability more incredible. Anyone that watched that game tonight and thought that Skelton hung Fitz out to dry needlessly needs their head examined. If Skelton doesn't put those passes where he does, Fitz probably catches 1 or 2 passes all night, because those high passes were the ONLY way that Fitz was going to get the ball in most of those situations. FACT. Did he get beat up for it tonight? Yep, quite a bit. Would he gladly take that beating to do his job? You betcha. I mean, nobody will voluntarily take a lung injury, but Fitz will never shy away from going up for a ball. I just don't see that ever happening, and it is, after all, his bread and butter.

part of the problem there is that Fitz isn't the only guy on the team. Skelton fixes on him, as Kolb did, and then forces throws into him. Yes he's our best player and there's a lot of reason to force some throws to him, but he's not just doing it with Fitz he got Roberts head knocked off yesterday he got Housler levelled twice a couple of weeks ago. Doucet has been hung out several times. he doesn't throw the ball high because he has to, he does it because that's how he throws. He can't throw that touch pass over the LB in front of the safety very well like the good NFL QB's do, he instead throws it on a line and relies on his WR going up to get it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Weren't you the one last week that said Skelton doesn't deserve to be on an NFL roster? Pot meet kettle

I've been one of the few that actually has been objective regarding the QB situation. Kolb and Skelton both have potential to be very good but both have things to work on. They are also not the problem with the team either - I've also said this all season.

For some reason the elephant in the room known as our horrendous passblocking is being ignored in how it affects the QB play. Our OTs are awful. We were ranked 26th at the halfway point by PFF in terms of Oline play. We gave up 59 sacks this season and our QBs were constantly pressured as well. You add in some very questionable playcalling and a lack of a #2 speed WR (our WRs often end up too clustered together) and we are putting our QBs in A NO WIN SITUATION.

I completely agree the OL is a problem but I don't think the OL is why Skelton throws the ball high so much he does it even when he's got time. It's just a mechanical thing with him IMHO.

 

[Paso Fino]

Sometimes people get a reputation that stays with them no matter what. This morning I watched the first half of yesterday’s game again. Skelton threw 13 passes and completed 7. One of the incompletions should have been caught. Four passes were overthrown. Two of them clearly were poor passes. One short pass was high for the receiver but was thrown over a defender. The other overthrown pass was a few yards in front of the receiver. But Skelton threw the pass as a defender was about to hit him and he was hit hard just after he threw the pass.

 

[Russ Smith]

So let's see bruised lung, coughing up blood during the game.

Yep nothing to see here just a normal situation for an NFL WR.

 

[THESMEL]

Rut Roh

We had enough to evaluate both QB's this year about equal time and snaps , Skelton has caught up to Kolb and has a much bigger arm and is a freak athlete at 6'6" 250! I think Skelton could bulk up 30 to 50 lbs over the next 5 years and either toss it through a defenders chest or palm his helmet with his non throwing hand! That is what I think, I could be wrong!

I grade Skelton as an 80 starter with unpredictable upside, He is smart enough to be great in another offense, but i aint sure any QB could be great in a Whisenhunt offense. Or Mike Miller offense if you please.

Kolb may have better years but i think what we see is what we get, He is what He is which would be back up to Sam Bradford, and possibly Alex Smith and Jackson in the division. That kind of sucks for what we paid in picks and pay... but we were desperate after cutting Leinart and starting DA, Hall, Skelton, Bartell and Croyal! for Christ sake.

I still have Kolb Graded as an 80 starter backing up at least the the first half of the teams in the NFL maybe more.

I think We are are in good hands at Back up, but we could upgrade our QB with our first round draft pick. with 3 QBs graded over 90 on ESPN'S grade system, I don't have them that high, Luck is not a 99, Sorry He is not better than any player in the NFL ever!

I have him graded 95, not as high as Leinart coming out of college.

link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

I made that comment about halfway through Quarter 3 of last weeks game against Bengals.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me if Skeltons play up to that point was NFL roster caliber play.

Obviously I was being extreme during a very frustrating game and Skelton can be a good back up. And I'm not bias against him at all. I just think he sucks and don't see much hope for the light all of a sudden clicking on being more consistent and accurate.

But it's not like he's going to play well and I'm going to disparage him for no reason. Even when he's played "well" to some fans he looked like horse crap on at least half his throws. That's not good enough.

So if. I'm grading them:

Skelton -D+
Kolb - INC

I've seen enough of John. I would like to see a healthy Kolb play with this defense and Beanie Wells and decide whether to scrap him.

Actually I was telling TJ today we should just push the chips all in and make a mega trade fir the soon to be available Peyton Manning.

But that's a pipe dream. So I'm hoping Kolb gets better with time with John Lott and a full offseason. That's my hope going into next year.

And yes we need OL help. That's a given.

 

[TJ]

We had enough to evaluate both QB's this year about equal time and snaps , Skelton has caught up to Kolb and has a much bigger arm and is a freak athlete at 6'6" 250! I think Skelton could bulk up 30 to 50 lbs over the next 5 years and either toss it through a defenders chest or palm his helmet with his non throwing hand! That is what I think, I could be wrong!

I grade Skelton as an 80 starter with unpredictable upside, He is smart enough to be great in another offense, but i aint sure any QB could be great in a Whisenhunt offense. Or Mike Miller offense if you please.

Kolb may have better years but i think what we see is what we get, He is what He is which would be back up to Sam Bradford, and possibly Alex Smith and Jackson in the division. That kind of sucks for what we paid in picks and pay... but we were desperate after cutting Leinart and starting DA, Hall, Skelton, Bartell and Croyal! for Christ sake.

I still have Kolb Graded as an 80 starter backing up at least the the first half of the teams in the NFL maybe more.

I think We are are in good hands at Back up, but we could upgrade our QB with our first round draft pick. with 3 QBs graded over 90 on ESPN'S grade system, I don't have them that high, Luck is not a 99, Sorry He is not better than any player in the NFL ever!

I have him graded 95, not as high as Leinart coming out of college.

link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

You mean Brodie Croyle; the guy who was brought in for one preseason game and cut the day after? LOL

I can't talk sensibly with you, so I'll just tell you if you're looking for a 280 lbs QB as you are asserting, I bet JaMarcus Russell is still out there for you, THESMEL .

Ohh and Matt Leinart still sucks ass and has a porcelain collar bone. But he appreciates your unconditional love and affection.

I give this post a grade of 18/100.

 

[Evil Ash]

Evil Ash, the bolded portion of your post is (I believe) incorrrect.

I appreciate Skelton's toughness, his pocket presence, his underratd mobility, his poise, and his ability to elude the rush and extend plays.

I want Skelton on the roster. He's deomonstrated (many times) that he's capable of coming of the bench and winning a game.

But he's not starting QB material (sorry John!). He's had a nice long audition, and while I would like to see him as our long term #2 guy, and put in a care-taker role if Kolb crashes and burns, his sub-70 QB rating over his many starts tells me what I need to know about him.

He'll never be a "very good" quarterback in the National Football League, and he's not our QBOF.

(disclaimer - this post offers no comment on KK's long term potential to be "very good").

He may not develop into a starter. I don't know but this board can be very unrealistic in its expectations. He has a known flaw with his mechanics -he's acknowledged as much as has the coaching staff. Since there was no offseason this year due to the lockout (and a high ankle sprain in the preseason when they finally did come back), he didn't get a chance to work with the coaching staff.

Is it correctable? Yup but is up to Skelton and the coaching staff to put the work in. Hell Drew Brees couldn't complete 60% of his passes HIS 3RD YEAR IN THE LEAGUE. He's pretty accurate now, isn't he?

The thing with developmental QBs is that you have to DEVELOP them. That means it takes time and experience. This board wants instant results which can be very difficult to find at the QB position.

 

[Evil Ash]

I completely agree the OL is a problem but I don't think the OL is why Skelton throws the ball high so much he does it even when he's got time. It's just a mechanical thing with him IMHO.

Its both. Some of his mechanical woes are self-inflicted (he just doesn't follow through) but there are plenty of other times where he's forced into bad mechanics because of pressure on him

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Oh..so you're not biased against Skelton at all you just think he sucks. Not only that you can predict the future as well! Glad you cleared that up.

I'm going to assume you actually do know what bias means and that I won't have to explain the difference between watching someOne ALOT and thinking they don't have the goods and being bias against them.

I also don't claim to know the future but by the time you get to the NFL accuracy is either something you have or don't.

The list of guys who all of a sudden developed being more accurate is very very small. Johnny is what he is. Imnot saying he won't get better at all - its just not likely he becomes a guy who puts it right where it needs to be pass after pass after pass. If he does? Hallelujah. But if you want to hang your hat on that unlikely development, that's your issue not mine. just don't ask me to buy in either.

 

[Phrazbit]

Why does it have to be Kolb OR Skelton? Why can't he just be making a statement about Skeleton?

it maddens me to watch these games with Skelton playing. He can't make the most routine throws, throws high 10 times a game and telegraphs at least 3 throws a game. He almost lost us this game today and if not for Russ's point about Fitz pulling his ass out of the fire 3 times on that last drive we arent talking about 8-8.

As for Kolb I'm pissed he's fragile but he's a ton more accurate the Skelton (and that's after watching 200+ throws from both this year so don't even bother comparing decimal points on comp %), doesn't make as many boneheaded throws, and can actually sustain drives unlike Skelton who either makes a big play or three and out. So I'm hoping if he can stay healthy, hes the guy.

It's gotten to the point that if you are a Skeltton backer after all this tape over the past 8 games, I either think you don't watch as closely as you say you do, question your knowledge of what NFL "good" is, or have the memory of the dude from Memento and only remember 4th quarters.

Bottom line is either Skelton "learns" to be more accurate (never happens) or pin your hopes on Kolb or a Peyton Manning trade.

I'll pray for a healthy Kolb myself.

I've been saying for a while that the Cards need to draft a QB because, in all likelihood, neither QB on the roster can take them anywhere. I even said in the post you quoted that Skelton is NOT good. That you somehow interpret those statements as me being a "Skelton homer" is comical. Especially coming from someone who touted Kolb as the next Aaron Rodgers.

Dont give anyone else lessons in objectivity.

 

[Phrazbit]

We had enough to evaluate both QB's this year about equal time and snaps , Skelton has caught up to Kolb and has a much bigger arm and is a freak athlete at 6'6" 250! I think Skelton could bulk up 30 to 50 lbs over the next 5 years and either toss it through a defenders chest or palm his helmet with his non throwing hand! That is what I think, I could be wrong!

I grade Skelton as an 80 starter with unpredictable upside, He is smart enough to be great in another offense, but i aint sure any QB could be great in a Whisenhunt offense. Or Mike Miller offense if you please.

Kolb may have better years but i think what we see is what we get, He is what He is which would be back up to Sam Bradford, and possibly Alex Smith and Jackson in the division. That kind of sucks for what we paid in picks and pay... but we were desperate after cutting Leinart and starting DA, Hall, Skelton, Bartell and Croyal! for Christ sake.

I still have Kolb Graded as an 80 starter backing up at least the the first half of the teams in the NFL maybe more.

I think We are are in good hands at Back up, but we could upgrade our QB with our first round draft pick. with 3 QBs graded over 90 on ESPN'S grade system, I don't have them that high, Luck is not a 99, Sorry He is not better than any player in the NFL ever!

I have him graded 95, not as high as Leinart coming out of college.

link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

... I really get a kick out of these posts. These HAVE to be trolling... right? Can't be taken literally...

A 300 pound QB, Leinart graded better than Luck out of college, not sure any QB can be great in Whiz's offense (short memory).

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I've been saying for a while that the Cards need to draft a QB because, in all likelihood, neither QB on the roster can take them anywhere. I even said in the post you quoted that Skelton is NOT good. That you somehow interpret those statements as me being a "Skelton homer" is comical. Especially coming from someone who touted Kolb as the next Aaron Rodgers.

Dont give anyone else lessons in objectivity.

LOL what are you K9s pool boy? We're u even around when I made that comment? If you wre you would know I compared the fact that They both apprenticed for 3 years behind good Qbs and had similar builds and skill sets. I never said Kolb would be as good as Rodgers - I was merely comparing their circumstances.

I don't know how others feel but you get my vote for worst new poster of 2011 at the annual ASFN awards coming up in March.

I'm hoping I keep my biggest ****** award now three years running

 

[Stout]

The list of guys who all of a sudden developed being more accurate is very very small. Johnny is what he is. Imnot saying he won't get better at all - its just not likely he becomes a guy who puts it right where it needs to be pass after pass after pass. If he does? Hallelujah. But if you want to hang your hat on that unlikely development, that's your issue not mine. just don't ask me to buy in either.

Yeah, except the ones that do manage to improve their accuracy are usually the ones that didn't get top-level coaching in college and actually need to have their mechanics drastically overhauled. But I guess Skelton has failed that test, because he's had...well, actually, no, he's had next to NO time for professional coaches to work with him on his mechanics, huh?

Man, it is crazy how many people write off a 5th-round pick out of Fordham, that has shown flashes of being a quality QB, without hardly ANY developmental time. Crazy.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah, except the ones that do manage to improve their accuracy are usually the ones that didn't get top-level coaching in college and actually need to have their mechanics drastically overhauled. But I guess Skelton has failed that test, because he's had...well, actually, no, he's had next to NO time for professional coaches to work with him on his mechanics, huh?

Man, it is crazy how many people write off a 5th-round pick out of Fordham, that has shown flashes of being a quality QB, without hardly ANY developmental time. Crazy.

Meanwhile Kolb who played for one of the best offensive Coaches in college and has been in the NFL for 5 seasons gets a pass from some because he hasn't had enough time in the system.

What worries me is that I think Kolb isn't much more accurate than Skelton. Kevin was 10-23-73 with 2 INTs and a 15.3 QB rating in his only extended playing time his 2nd season, and has been under 60% completion in 7 of his last 10 starts.

It's really if and hope time again that the Cards can straighten these two guys out over the next 9 months.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

IMHO, amazingly, after such a whacky season, we still don't know enough about both Kolb and Skelton to make any definitive assertions about their ability to be true, trust-worthy starters in the NFL. Skelton has a ton of issues to overcome... but, he also does a ton of things well.
Next year the job will be Kolb's to lose. And, as we saw with Matty when he lost the #1 slot to Kurt, with Whiz the job can indeed be lost. And if Skelton proves he can outplay Kolb and earn the starting role, I'm ok with that until he proves he is clearly not starter quality... at which time we will all realize we are severely SCREWED...

Absolutely agree. Although my personal opinion is that Skelton cannot improve his accuracy the limit the few horrible, horrible throws he throws each game enough to become a bonafide starter.

I'm not convinced Kolb is the answer either.

 

[crisper57]

I am not advocating this right now, but here is a thought.

This draft is thin at QB, especially first-round talent. After Luck, who is left? Meanwhile, a ton of NFL teams are still looking for an answer at QB.

Enter Skelton, who has an impressing W-L record, a ton of raw talent, and still a boatload of upside.

Is he any more unproven than Kolb, when we sold the farm to get him? Sure, he doesn't have the east coast hype machine building him up, but there are some teams that had to notice his penchant for winning.

So who might call the Cards and ask if he is available? Is there a scenario where we'd be comfortable making that trade and rolling with Kolb?

 

[Russ Smith]

I am not advocating this right now, but here is a thought.

This draft is thin at QB, especially first-round talent. After Luck, who is left? Meanwhile, a ton of NFL teams are still looking for an answer at QB.

Enter Skelton, who has an impressing W-L record, a ton of raw talent, and still a boatload of upside.

Is he any more unproven than Kolb, when we sold the farm to get him? Sure, he doesn't have the east coast hype machine building him up, but there are some teams that had to notice his penchant for winning.

So who might call the Cards and ask if he is available? Is there a scenario where we'd be comfortable making that trade and rolling with Kolb?

If I thought Luck might be available I'd offer either or both in a trade that would also of course require picks. But i think the Colts are smart and will take Luck.

For us unless there's a QB we like sitting there, I think we have to either keep both and hope one takes the job and runs with it, or look around and see who else might be available and it doesn't seem like many are.

 

[kerouac9]

I've been saying for a while that the Cards need to draft a QB because, in all likelihood, neither QB on the roster can take them anywhere. I even said in the post you quoted that Skelton is NOT good. That you somehow interpret those statements as me being a "Skelton homer" is comical. Especially coming from someone who touted Kolb as the next Aaron Rodgers.

Dont give anyone else lessons in objectivity.

AZF got full-throatedly behind both Max Hall and Kevin Kolb. He continues to insist that Kevin Kolb is not only better than Skelton but somehow "more accurate" in a meaningful way despite Kolb competing fewer than 60% of his passes against massively inferior competition.

It's not really worth talking with AZF about the quarterback position, since he has as much acumen for evaluating it as our current coaching staff.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith: 61% completions, 7.1 YPA, 17 TDs, 5 INTs on a 14-2 team for half the salary of Kevin Kolb.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

AZF got full-throatedly behind both Max Hall and Kevin Kolb. He continues to insist that Kevin Kolb is not only better than Skelton but somehow "more accurate" in a meaningful way despite Kolb competing fewer than 60% of his passes against massively inferior competition.

It's not really worth talking with AZF about the quarterback position, since he has as much acumen for evaluating it as our current coaching staff.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith: 61% completions, 7.1 YPA, 17 TDs, 5 INTs on a 14-2 team for half the salary of Kevin Kolb.

A few days ago, you wondered as to whether some posters actually watched games. Today you use "acumen" to in effect say the same thing.

We don't doubt you "watch", in fact I marvel that there are enough hours in a day to cover all of what you seemingly watch.

However, one could wonder what you "see" and whether you to are bit short on "acumen", as your evaluations of Von Miller, Washington and Marshall, to note three, has shown.

 

[kerouac9]

A few days ago, you wondered as to whether some posters actually watched games. Today you use "acumen" to in effect say the same thing.

We don't doubt you "watch", in fact I marvel that there are enough hours in a day to cover all of what you seemingly watch.

However, one could wonder what you "see" and whether you to are bit short on "acumen", as your evaluations of Von Miller, Washington and Marshall, to note three, has shown.

You're so deep into metacommentary on other posters' opinions that it's been a very long time indeed since I remember you actually saying what you think about the play(ers) on the field.

But for what it's worth:

- Von Miller is playing OLB in a 4-3 defense with a top-shelf rusher across the field from him. He was benched from the base offense early in the season because he wasn't able or willing to play the run. Now he's injured and the Broncos have lost two straight. Never questioned Miller's ability to get after the quarterback; it was all the other stuff that an OLB has to do in the NFL that concerns me, and has challenged him his rookie year.

- Daryl Washington was too small to play ILB his rookie year (Kent Somers actually agreed with this in a tweet during Sunday's game), and he responded by going from 227 last year(!!!) to playing at 235 this year. I didn't think he'd be able to put that kind of weight on and keep his speed, but he found a way to do it outside of an NFL training program. Good on him. He's bee more effective at the point of attack this year. Of course, he got abused twice against the Bengals, but that happens to everyone. He's the fourth or fifth-best player on the defense.

- Richard Marshall was not a very good corner, but he's ended up being a really good safety. Highlighting more the fact that a guy who's never played the position unseated third-year/third-round bustacular Rashard Johnson without even a fight--or a training camp. Marshall took time on the corner from undrafted free agent A.J. Jefferson. Good job.

Some people have a great eye for certain positions. I respect the hell out Section 11's estimation of running backs. Russ Smith has a good eye for most positions as long as the prospect doesn't come out of Cal [/kidding]) I think that Krang has a great eye for WRs and TEs. But when you fall in love with Max Hall and then Kevin Kolb, I think that it's okay to start to wonder if we should bother dealing with a guy's opinion. Of course, I'm the guy saying this who was a vocal minority in support of Alex Smith, Sam Acho, and Cam Newton, and was skeptical about Kevin Kolb, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder.

No one's asking you to take my evaluations as gospel, but AZF has been hear a year crowing about Kevin Kolb's accuracy, but when someone points out Kolb's sub-60% completion percentage for his career, hems and haws about how he's seen 300+ of Kolb's attempts.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

AZF got full-throatedly behind both Max Hall and Kevin Kolb. He continues to insist that Kevin Kolb is not only better than Skelton but somehow "more accurate" in a meaningful way despite Kolb competing fewer than 60% of his passes against massively inferior competition.

It's not really worth talking with AZF about the quarterback position, since he has as much acumen for evaluating it as our current coaching staff.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith: 61% completions, 7.1 YPA, 17 TDs, 5 INTs on a 14-2 team for half the salary of Kevin Kolb.

No doubt I am blinded by Quarterbacks that wear Cardinal red. I will be the first to admit I was cheering For Kurt Warner to fail and Matt Leinart to succeed and was dead wrong on that.

Your Alex Smith comment is way off base though. If you think he would put up those numbers here, your kidding yourself. Thats all Jim Harbaugh, and as much as I love Wiz, I would trade him for Harbaugh in a nano second. I think Harbaugh will be the best coach in the NFL in 2-3 years and it sucks he went to our hated rival. But I have that much respect for him.

I guess we'll see on Kevin Kolb. I really thought if he would have been healthy these last 4-5 games he would have played well - but the problem is he cant stay on the field. I do think our long terms success is tied to him rather then Skeleton and believe the offseason and next year will prove that out. I think Kolb can be a Matt Cassell, Mat Hasselbeck, or Matt Schaub type QB he just needs time in the system and reps.

Maybe Ill be wrong on Kolb as there are lot of variables in play, mostly his ability to stay on the field. But I dont think I will be wrong on Skeleton and ill bet anyone who wants to take it on.