Fitz and Skelton

[Stout]

Now for the kicker, Skelton is in my opinion going to take a year or more off Larry's career if he doesn't improve, all the damn high throws and throws behind on crossing patters leave Larry exposed to big hits and force him to make leaping and diving catches game after game. You can see it every game Fitz gets up and has that what the hell is wrong with this guy look on his face. He's such a competitor he still lays out for the team, but if Skelton can't get more accurate he's going to shorten the career of the best WR in the history of this franchise.

Baloney. First of all, Fitz has gushed about Skelton to the press, and he isn't the kind of man to do so if he didn't believe in him. Also, most of those throws HAD to be there so only Fitz could catch them. Otherwise, they'd be picks or incompletions, and people would be ragging on Skelton for that instead. Let's face facts: Skelton is in a lose-lose situation with a lot of posters on this board, and I guess that includes you, Russ. This is as biased as it gets.

 

[oaken1]

For all the talk about how WRs can't impact the game enough to spend big money on ---- horse hockey. Fitz is worth every damn penny he got, if not more.

Fitz absolutely willed the Cardinals to victory today. He took some vicious hits to do it, Skelton can't thank him enough.

Larry is the man...............

I would love to see a stat on catches that were reviewed by the booth, and how many came back as successful catches...I bet Fitz wins that in a landslide...he makes so many un freakin believable catches...at least two just today.

Sometimes I think the booth reviews his catches just because they want to see it a few times in slow mo

 

[Duckjake]

Larry is the man...............

I would love to see a stat on catches that were reviewed by the booth, and how many came back as successful catches...I bet Fitz wins that in a landslide...he makes so many un freakin believable catches...at least two just today.

Sometimes I think the booth reviews his catches just because they want to see it a few times in slow mo

LOL I remember Leonard Davis getting bogus holding calls because the refs couldn't believe BIG could flatten guys like he did without holding.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm going to take Russ's post to not be an attack on Skelton even though it reads like that.

I will instead believe that Russ means that Larry Fitzgerald really deserves a better quarterback. With a legit starter--or even a Matt Cassell type--an 1600 or even 1800 yard season would be possible.

We don't appear to have such a QB on the roster right now.

I'm saying that having a QB who relies on Fitz going up high and snaring bad throws over the middle 5-6 times a game is going to shorten Fitz' career. We all see it several people have commented this year Fitz seems to have dropped more catchable balls than usual. It's because we're so used to seeing the spectacular catch that when he gets 2 hands near the ball we expect him to catch it. I saw him shortarm a ball in the endzone in the first SF game, never seen it before in the endzone. I've seen him multiple times this year get up after a high throw gets him knocked down and he's clearly pissed off. He's not just mad that he couldn't make the catch, he's mad that he HAS to make the catch like that so often from Skelton.

Yes it's true in certain situations put the ball up and let Fitz go get it. But over the middle when he's wide open is NOT one of those situations.

The idea that he's intentionally throwing high to Fitz all the time I don't buy because he does it to Roberts, Doucet et al too. Just not as much because he mainly targets Fitz.

The thing is they HAVE to fix that problem with Skelton or get a QB who can get the ball to Fitz without putting a huge target on his back every week.

 

[Russ Smith]

Came on be' seriuos about cassel. He had 3 good wrs and he was terrible . Fitz makes everybody looks better except leinhart and anderson.skelton will be' good.the injury talking is just because today seattle played dirty and phisycal against him

EVERYBODY plays that way against Fitz. It's not dirty to hit a guy when he's stretching high to catch a bad throw. They're not taking out his head or his knees they're hitting him to separate the ball. It happens alot because there are so many bad throws to him.

This game was only unusual in that so many of the big plays to Fitz were bad throws he somehow turned into a catch. He's been doing it all year just not this often. Big play in the SF game was a terrible throw right to an SF safety Goldson but Fitz made an incredible play to beat Goldson to the ball, took the contact and then turned it into a TD.

There are other issues, hell todays game was over until he telegraphs the out to roberts and only Hyphens hustle saved a picksix. yes if Dwash makes the pick the game is still over but all the he's so clutch in the 4th quarter stuff ignores the only reason this game was close was that pick.

But I can live with that stuff that's a young QB problem, the not reading defenses stuff that's inexperience, the not protecting the ball when he runs that's experience. But throwing high over and over that's a mechanical flaw.

 

[Russ Smith]

Baloney. First of all, Fitz has gushed about Skelton to the press, and he isn't the kind of man to do so if he didn't believe in him. Also, most of those throws HAD to be there so only Fitz could catch them. Otherwise, they'd be picks or incompletions, and people would be ragging on Skelton for that instead. Let's face facts: Skelton is in a lose-lose situation with a lot of posters on this board, and I guess that includes you, Russ. This is as biased as it gets.

"Fitz was taken to the training room to get x rays for possible fractured ribs,punctured lung.Both negative. "

I'd tell you what play that happened on but hell ithappened so often today I'm not sure, I doubt Fitz is either. Later in the game he was rolling his arm after laying out for a ball because he it appeared he hurt his shoulder. Maybe that was the ribs don't know. Earlier still he got up rubbing his lower back.

Those throws did NOT have to be there, you don't have to throw every throw over the middle high. Many NFL QB's make that throw. Yes there are times in key spots in a game where you need a first down and you rifle the ball high and let Fitz, Calvin Johnson etc go up and get it. Skelton does that 5-6 times a game.

Fitz also spent all offseason talking up Kolb, last year he was talking up Max Hall, before that he talked up Leinart. I can't honestly recall Fitz ever publicly talking badly about any QB on this team. You can see him getting up furious after some of those throws, it's obvious.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm saying that having a QB who relies on Fitz going up high and snaring bad throws over the middle 5-6 times a game is going to shorten Fitz' career. We all see it several people have commented this year Fitz seems to have dropped more catchable balls than usual. It's because we're so used to seeing the spectacular catch that when he gets 2 hands near the ball we expect him to catch it. I saw him shortarm a ball in the endzone in the first SF game, never seen it before in the endzone. I've seen him multiple times this year get up after a high throw gets him knocked down and he's clearly pissed off. He's not just mad that he couldn't make the catch, he's mad that he HAS to make the catch like that so often from Skelton.

Yes it's true in certain situations put the ball up and let Fitz go get it. But over the middle when he's wide open is NOT one of those situations.

The idea that he's intentionally throwing high to Fitz all the time I don't buy because he does it to Roberts, Doucet et al too. Just not as much because he mainly targets Fitz.

The thing is they HAVE to fix that problem with Skelton or get a QB who can get the ball to Fitz without putting a huge target on his back every week.

Fitzgerald's strong suit has never been getting separation and it is even more difficult now with the attention he draws from defenses. Kurt Warner even said that he and Larry began to click when Kurt realized that open for Fitzgerald was not "open" for normal people and Warner started throwing the ball to him regardless of the coverage.

Fitzgerald is getting hit more now because he has 2 and 3 guys on him because Doucet and Roberts and the TEs and RBs aren't enough of a threat to take the blanket off him. It wasn't that long ago that another QB was being blamed for hanging Fitz out to dry was it?

 

[PJ1]

"Fitz was taken to the training room to get x rays for possible fractured ribs,punctured lung.Both negative. "

I'd tell you what play that happened on but hell ithappened so often today I'm not sure, I doubt Fitz is either. Later in the game he was rolling his arm after laying out for a ball because he it appeared he hurt his shoulder. Maybe that was the ribs don't know. Earlier still he got up rubbing his lower back.

Those throws did NOT have to be there, you don't have to throw every throw over the middle high. Many NFL QB's make that throw. Yes there are times in key spots in a game where you need a first down and you rifle the ball high and let Fitz, Calvin Johnson etc go up and get it. Skelton does that 5-6 times a game.

Fitz also spent all offseason talking up Kolb, last year he was talking up Max Hall, before that he talked up Leinart. I can't honestly recall Fitz ever publicly talking badly about any QB on this team. You can see him getting up furious after some of those throws, it's obvious.

If you want criticism from a Fitzgerald his Dad will provide it.

Agreed this season Fitz has jumped up screaming after some of the throws from Skelton. I want Skelton to be our starting QB but the accuracy thing is still a major issue.

 

[Jetstream Green]

EVERYBODY plays that way against Fitz. It's not dirty to hit a guy when he's stretching high to catch a bad throw. They're not taking out his head or his knees they're hitting him to separate the ball. It happens alot because there are so many bad throws to him.

This game was only unusual in that so many of the big plays to Fitz were bad throws he somehow turned into a catch. He's been doing it all year just not this often. Big play in the SF game was a terrible throw right to an SF safety Goldson but Fitz made an incredible play to beat Goldson to the ball, took the contact and then turned it into a TD.

There are other issues, hell todays game was over until he telegraphs the out to roberts and only Hyphens hustle saved a picksix. yes if Dwash makes the pick the game is still over but all the he's so clutch in the 4th quarter stuff ignores the only reason this game was close was that pick.

But I can live with that stuff that's a young QB problem, the not reading defenses stuff that's inexperience, the not protecting the ball when he runs that's experience. But throwing high over and over that's a mechanical flaw.

I constantly see people say that a QB has to work on their accuracy, but I have never seen a QB get much more accurate than what they come with into the pros. This must not be confused with a guy throwing an int. because he does not know the system which can be fixed, but a guy knowing where he should go with a pass but constantly can't hit the target. Skelton scares me if it comes down to him and the concussion stuff with Kolb. Really, can we say with honesty we do not need to draft a QB? I think Russ has very valid points.

 

[kerouac9]

You're like a stealth Skelton hater, Russ. It cracks me up that you're in the tank for Kolb, but you can't really say it, do you're nitpicking a guy who went 6-2 with the same team your second choice went 2-6 with.

 

[Evil Ash]

I constantly see people say that a QB has to work on their accuracy, but I have never seen a QB get much more accurate than what they come with into the pros. This must not be confused with a guy throwing an int. because he does not know the system which can be fixed, but a guy knowing where he should go with a pass but constantly can't hit the target. Skelton scares me if it comes down to him and the concussion stuff with Kolb. Really, can we say with honesty we do not need to draft a QB? I think Russ has very valid points.

Skelton's issues revolve around his mechanics. When he's going good (like in the first half), he steps into his throws and finishes them increasing accuracy. When he's going bad (like the 4th qtr today), he throws off his back foot and it has a tendency to go high. Chad Pennington, the color analyst of today's game, was saying the exact same thing so I'm not alone here in noticing it

Its all a matter of getting him to be consistent with his mechanics and you'll see a massive improvement in accuracy. Having an Oline that can actually passblock for an entire game would be helpful also

 

[Russ Smith]

You're like a stealth Skelton hater, Russ. It cracks me up that you're in the tank for Kolb, but you can't really say it, do you're nitpicking a guy who went 6-2 with the same team your second choice went 2-6 with.

Nope I said all along I didn't think Skelton was accurate enough to be our QB of the future. I still don't. There are things he's very good at, moves well in the pocket, is big and strong, has a strong arm. He's getting better in many areas.

But right now he has the fatal flaw for a QB that many of his misses are high, which is why he throws so many picks, and why his WR's keep picking themselves up off the ground checking to see if they're still in one piece.

We're already seeing it with both Doucet and Housler where they're getting gunshy on throws over the middle because they have been hung out to dry or led into big hits by Safeties enough. yes it'd be great if every receiver was like Boldin or Fitz and didn't get gunshy but they're not.

He has to fix that high throw problem, it's going to prevent him from ever being a quality starter if he doesn't.

 

[Duckjake]

Skelton's issues revolve around his mechanics. When he's going good (like in the first half), he steps into his throws and finishes them increasing accuracy. When he's going bad (like the 4th qtr today), he throws off his back foot and it has a tendency to go high. Chad Pennington, the color analyst of today's game, was saying the exact same thing so I'm not alone here in noticing it

Its all a matter of getting him to be consistent with his mechanics and you'll see a massive improvement in accuracy. Having an Oline that can actually passblock for an entire game would be helpful also

Isn't a lot of that throwing off the back foot a result of having a defensive player in his grill?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Nope I said all along I didn't think Skelton was accurate enough to be our QB of the future. I still don't. There are things he's very good at, moves well in the pocket, is big and strong, has a strong arm. He's getting better in many areas.

But right now he has the fatal flaw for a QB that many of his misses are high, which is why he throws so many picks, and why his WR's keep picking themselves up off the ground checking to see if they're still in one piece.

We're already seeing it with both Doucet and Housler where they're getting gunshy on throws over the middle because they have been hung out to dry or led into big hits by Safeties enough. yes it'd be great if every receiver was like Boldin or Fitz and didn't get gunshy but they're not.

He has to fix that high throw problem, it's going to prevent him from ever being a quality starter if he doesn't.

IMHO, amazingly, after such a whacky season, we still don't know enough about both Kolb and Skelton to make any definitive assertions about their ability to be true, trust-worthy starters in the NFL. Skelton has a ton of issues to overcome... but, he also does a ton of things well.
Next year the job will be Kolb's to lose. And, as we saw with Matty when he lost the #1 slot to Kurt, with Whiz the job can indeed be lost. And if Skelton proves he can outplay Kolb and earn the starting role, I'm ok with that until he proves he is clearly not starter quality... at which time we will all realize we are severely SCREWED...

 

[Evil Ash]

Isn't a lot of that throwing off the back foot a result of having a defensive player in his grill?

Yup its one of the larger contributing factors. The Cards are one of the few teams that allows guys to go free while in max protect.

Our OTs are just awful

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I am VERY worried about Kolb's health. I'm just sayign if Skelton doesn't get better at not throwing high so much, he's going to put Fitz' health in jeopardy he does it every game.

Totally agree

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Oh give me a freakin break. Yes, he makes Skelton look better, the only QB he couldnt make look better is probably Anderson because Fitz cant jump 30 feet high. But Fitz also bailed out Kolb on several occasions. Fitz caught multiple lame ducks Kolb threw against double or triple coverage.

Skelton is not good but he has the arm and the pocket mobility to make big plays, part of the reason Fitz exploded towards the end of year is because Skelton gave him the opportunity to make big plays. He wasnt getting those chances with Kolb and his 5 yard out routes and sacks.

Neither QB is good, but to rip Skelton basically for trusting Fitz is absurd. If Kolb were playing then Fitz would probably get less bruises... because he would get less than half of the opportunity to make plays.

Your total Skelton homer unable to get out of your own way. I liven Florida and watch games with unbiased fans. They all said the same thing. Skeletons going to get Fitz killed with his throws. Sando said the same thing after rewtching last weeks game.

Anything negative said about Skelton isn't a personal affront to you and your family so don't act all incredulous all the time. You don't know this because you've been here 4 months but Russ is one of the most fair and logical posters here.

He calling it like he sees it. Like TJ said the other day you have some twisted hate for Kolb that takes anyone saying anything good about him or bad about
Skelton and Decides it's complete rubbish out of hand.

Watch the games and tell me you don't see high throw after high throw. If you can remember this far back this was part of the reason Leinart got run out of town. Fitz make everyone look better but he makes a inaccurate QB like Skelton look ALOT better. You replace Fitz with Sidney Rice and everything else the same and we are a 5 win team and Bartel is starting 3 games ago.

You mentioned you were impressed I was able to say Kolb hasn't impressed and his injury history concerns me last week.

It's call being objective. Take it for a spin some time.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You're like a stealth Skelton hater, Russ. It cracks me up that you're in the tank for Kolb, but you can't really say it, do you're nitpicking a guy who went 6-2 with the same team your second choice went 2-6 with.

Why does it have to be Kolb OR Skelton? Why can't he just be making a statement about Skeleton?

it maddens me to watch these games with Skelton playing. He can't make the most routine throws, throws high 10 times a game and telegraphs at least 3 throws a game. He almost lost us this game today and if not for Russ's point about Fitz pulling his ass out of the fire 3 times on that last drive we arent talking about 8-8.

As for Kolb I'm pissed he's fragile but he's a ton more accurate the Skelton (and that's after watching 200+ throws from both this year so don't even bother comparing decimal points on comp %), doesn't make as many boneheaded throws, and can actually sustain drives unlike Skelton who either makes a big play or three and out. So I'm hoping if he can stay healthy, hes the guy.

It's gotten to the point that if you are a Skeltton backer after all this tape over the past 8 games, I either think you don't watch as closely as you say you do, question your knowledge of what NFL "good" is, or have the memory of the dude from Memento and only remember 4th quarters.

Bottom line is either Skelton "learns" to be more accurate (never happens) or pin your hopes on Kolb or a Peyton Manning trade.

I'll pray for a healthy Kolb myself.

 

[LarryStalling]

Nothing has been said about Skelton's health issue before the game. Between that and his sore kneee, maybe that might explain some of his wildness, but probably not. Especially his wildness early in the game.

 

[Stout]

Fitzgerald's strong suit has never been getting separation and it is even more difficult now with the attention he draws from defenses. Kurt Warner even said that he and Larry began to click when Kurt realized that open for Fitzgerald was not "open" for normal people and Warner started throwing the ball to him regardless of the coverage.

Fitzgerald is getting hit more now because he has 2 and 3 guys on him because Doucet and Roberts and the TEs and RBs aren't enough of a threat to take the blanket off him. It wasn't that long ago that another QB was being blamed for hanging Fitz out to dry was it?

EXACTLY!!! If Fitz doesn't want to take the hits, or if we the fans don't want him to take the hits, then we should expect his targets to go down by 10 per game. I watched so many of those 'high' throws to Fitz and said, 'geeze, it cleared the defender's fingers by about an inch', and 'man, if he didn't put it upstairs where only Fitz could go get it, that would have been a pick'.

The FACT is that this is how Fitz makes his living--going up and over defenders to catch balls that only he can catch. It only makes his durability more incredible. Anyone that watched that game tonight and thought that Skelton hung Fitz out to dry needlessly needs their head examined. If Skelton doesn't put those passes where he does, Fitz probably catches 1 or 2 passes all night, because those high passes were the ONLY way that Fitz was going to get the ball in most of those situations. FACT. Did he get beat up for it tonight? Yep, quite a bit. Would he gladly take that beating to do his job? You betcha. I mean, nobody will voluntarily take a lung injury, but Fitz will never shy away from going up for a ball. I just don't see that ever happening, and it is, after all, his bread and butter.

 

[Evil Ash]

Your total Skelton homer unable to get out of your own way. I liven Florida and watch games with unbiased fans. They all said the same thing. Skeletons going to get Fitz killed with his throws. Sando said the same thing after rewtching last weeks game.

Anything negative said about Skelton isn't a personal affront to you and your family so don't act all incredulous all the time. You don't know this because you've been here 4 months but Russ is one of the most fair and logical posters here.

He calling it like he sees it. Like TJ said the other day you have some twisted hate for Kolb that takes anyone saying anything good about him or bad about
Skelton and Decides it's complete rubbish out of hand.

Watch the games and tell me you don't see high throw after high throw. If you can remember this far back this was part of the reason Leinart got run out of town. Fitz make everyone look better but he makes a inaccurate QB like Skelton look ALOT better. You replace Fitz with Sidney Rice and everything else the same and we are a 5 win team and Bartel is starting 3 games ago.

You mentioned you were impressed I was able to say Kolb hasn't impressed and his injury history concerns me last week.

It's call being objective. Take it for a spin some time.

Weren't you the one last week that said Skelton doesn't deserve to be on an NFL roster? Pot meet kettle

I've been one of the few that actually has been objective regarding the QB situation. Kolb and Skelton both have potential to be very good but both have things to work on. They are also not the problem with the team either - I've also said this all season.

For some reason the elephant in the room known as our horrendous passblocking is being ignored in how it affects the QB play. Our OTs are awful. We were ranked 26th at the halfway point by PFF in terms of Oline play. We gave up 59 sacks this season and our QBs were constantly pressured as well. You add in some very questionable playcalling and a lack of a #2 speed WR (our WRs often end up too clustered together) and we are putting our QBs in A NO WIN SITUATION.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Weren't you the one last week that said Skelton doesn't deserve to be on an NFL roster? Pot meet kettle

I've been one of the few that actually has been objective regarding the QB situation. Kolb and Skelton both have potential to be very good but both have things to work on. They are also not the problem with the team either - I've also said this all season.

For some reason the elephant in the room known as our horrendous passblocking is being ignored in how it affects the QB play. Our OTs are awful. We were ranked 26th at the halfway point by PFF in terms of Oline play. We gave up 59 sacks this season and our QBs were constantly pressured as well. You add in some very questionable playcalling and a lack of a #2 speed WR (our WRs often end up too clustered together) and we are putting our QBs in A NO WIN SITUATION.

I made that comment about halfway through Quarter 3 of last weeks game against Bengals.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me if Skeltons play up to that point was NFL roster caliber play.

Obviously I was being extreme during a very frustrating game and Skelton can be a good back up. And I'm not bias against him at all. I just think he sucks and don't see much hope for the light all of a sudden clicking on being more consistent and accurate.

But it's not like he's going to play well and I'm going to disparage him for no reason. Even when he's played "well" to some fans he looked like horse crap on at least half his throws. That's not good enough.

So if. I'm grading them:

Skelton -D+
Kolb - INC

I've seen enough of John. I would like to see a healthy Kolb play with this defense and Beanie Wells and decide whether to scrap him.

Actually I was telling TJ today we should just push the chips all in and make a mega trade fir the soon to be available Peyton Manning.

But that's a pipe dream. So I'm hoping Kolb gets better with time with John Lott and a full offseason. That's my hope going into next year.

And yes we need OL help. That's a given.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Weren't you the one last week that said Skelton doesn't deserve to be on an NFL roster? Pot meet kettle

I've been one of the few that actually has been objective regarding the QB situation. Kolb and Skelton both have potential to be very good but both have things to work on. They are also not the problem with the team either - I've also said this all season.

For some reason the elephant in the room known as our horrendous passblocking is being ignored in how it affects the QB play. Our OTs are awful. We were ranked 26th at the halfway point by PFF in terms of Oline play. We gave up 59 sacks this season and our QBs were constantly pressured as well. You add in some very questionable playcalling and a lack of a #2 speed WR (our WRs often end up too clustered together) and we are putting our QBs in A NO WIN SITUATION.

Evil Ash, the bolded portion of your post is (I believe) incorrrect.

I appreciate Skelton's toughness, his pocket presence, his underratd mobility, his poise, and his ability to elude the rush and extend plays.

I want Skelton on the roster. He's deomonstrated (many times) that he's capable of coming of the bench and winning a game.

But he's not starting QB material (sorry John!). He's had a nice long audition, and while I would like to see him as our long term #2 guy, and put in a care-taker role if Kolb crashes and burns, his sub-70 QB rating over his many starts tells me what I need to know about him.

He'll never be a "very good" quarterback in the National Football League, and he's not our QBOF.

(disclaimer - this post offers no comment on KK's long term potential to be "very good").

 

[PJ1]

Evil Ash, the bolded portion of your post is (I believe) incorrrect.

I appreciate Skelton's toughness, his pocket presence, his underratd mobility, his poise, and his ability to elude the rush and extend plays.

I want Skelton on the roster. He's deomonstrated (many times) that he's capable of coming of the bench and winning a game.

But he's not starting QB material (sorry John!). He's had a nice long audition, and while I would like to see him as our long term #2 guy, and put in a care-taker role if Kolb crashes and burns, his sub-70 QB rating over his many starts tells me what I need to know about him.

He'll never be a "very good" quarterback in the National Football League, and he's not our QBOF.

(disclaimer - this post offers no comment on KK's long term potential to be "very good").

Pretty much sums up how I feel. Hope I am wrong but Skelton just doesn't cut it as our QBOF in my opinion. I sure hope I am wrong if the team heads in this direction.

 

[BigRedArk]

I made that comment about halfway through Quarter 3 of last weeks game against Bengals.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me if Skeltons play up to that point was NFL roster caliber play.

Obviously I was being extreme during a very frustrating game and Skelton can be a good back up. And I'm not bias against him at all. I just think he sucks and don't see much hope for the light all of a sudden clicking on being more consistent and accurate.

But it's not like he's going to play well and I'm going to disparage him for no reason. Even when he's played "well" to some fans he looked like horse crap on at least half his throws. That's not good enough.

So if. I'm grading them:

Skelton -D+
Kolb - INC

I've seen enough of John. I would like to see a healthy Kolb play with this defense and Beanie Wells and decide whether to scrap him.

Actually I was telling TJ today we should just push the chips all in and make a mega trade fir the soon to be available Peyton Manning.

But that's a pipe dream. So I'm hoping Kolb gets better with time with John Lott and a full offseason. That's my hope going into next year.

And yes we need OL help. That's a given.

Oh..so you're not biased against Skelton at all you just think he sucks. Not only that you can predict the future as well! Glad you cleared that up.