Fitz and Skelton

[Arizona's Finest]

Yeah, except the ones that do manage to improve their accuracy are usually the ones that didn't get top-level coaching in college and actually need to have their mechanics drastically overhauled. But I guess Skelton has failed that test, because he's had...well, actually, no, he's had next to NO time for professional coaches to work with him on his mechanics, huh?

Man, it is crazy how many people write off a 5th-round pick out of Fordham, that has shown flashes of being a quality QB, without hardly ANY developmental time. Crazy.

Ugh. This is such a specitious argument. So why doens't Kolb get the benefit of the doubt like that? He played at Houston in a spread and unlike Skelton has NEVER had a full offseason in the Cardinals program. I don't get why that fact is so discounted so much. If Skeleton was going to be the "it" guy he would have done it this year. He has the tools and now has had the opportunity. It doesnt make any sense hes still making such bad reads and missing guys even on balls that are caught.

The player he is most compared to physically is Big Ben. Well Big Ben played at Miami of Ohio and certainly didnt have Larry Fitzgeral to throw too. But he came out the gate and dominated. Or at least enough to the point where you could say okay this guy is going to be good.

I see 3-4 good accurate throws a game from Skeleton and the rest are either okay passes fired in with no touch or off by 5 yards up or to the side by 10. Its ridiculous.

And as I said in my initial post. You don't LEARN accuracy in the NFL. If you want to go show me guys who were inaccurate in college and then came into the NFL and became more accurate I bet you could count them on 1 or 2 hands. You can learn to be better in the pocket, make better decisions, and be more cautious with the ball. But accuracy and arm strength, either you got it or you don't.

I mean look at these numbers:

Freshman 44%
Soph - 56%
Junior - 61%
Senior - 64%

He was like 58% for his college career (with an abysmal 44% his Freshman year) which sounds pretty good until you reliaze he was playing in the Patriot League against defenses that I am pretty sure TJ and I could suit up for.

Now here was Big Ben in college:

Freshman 63%
Sophomore 64%
Junior 69%

See the difference? Keep buyin all that Skelton stock you want Stout. I just dont see it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

AZF got full-throatedly.

Interesting choice of words there for you bud

 

[Russ Smith]

Skelton 54.9% this year, knew the offense, improved, his best month was Dec 59%, that's better but still not very good.

Kolb was 57.7 for the year higher YPA, less INT's higher passer rating. The main difference of course is the won/loss record but that assumes I believe that was due to Skelton and not due to the improvement in the defense, and I don't.

Skelton was turning the ball over more than Kolb was but the defense was giving up LESS points, that was the defense.

The problem with Kolb is we don't know if he can stay healthy long enough to see how good he might be.

the problem with Skelton is I'm not sure the WR's can stay healthy long enough for him to fix his terrible tendency to miss high.

Skelton finished tied for 10th in the NFL in INT's with 14. On the list the only guy close to him was Palmer who threw 16 one every 20 attempts, and of course Palmer had retired so it wasn't surprising he threw a bunch of picks early in the season on a new club, not to mention down the stretch he didn't have 3 of their better WR's much of the time. Skelton amongst the guys I looked at had the highest INT rate in the league. That's mostly inaccuracy.

he has the physical talent, it'd be great if he could get there he's so big and strong you'd love to have a guy like that for 12 years, but so far he's WAY too inaccurate.

I'm VERY concerned about Kolb's concussions though.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Skelton 54.9% this year, knew the offense, improved, his best month was Dec 59%, that's better but still not very good.

Kolb was 57.7 for the year higher YPA, less INT's higher passer rating. The main difference of course is the won/loss record but that assumes I believe that was due to Skelton and not due to the improvement in the defense, and I don't.

Skelton was turning the ball over more than Kolb was but the defense was giving up LESS points, that was the defense.

The problem with Kolb is we don't know if he can stay healthy long enough to see how good he might be.

the problem with Skelton is I'm not sure the WR's can stay healthy long enough for him to fix his terrible tendency to miss high.

Skelton finished tied for 10th in the NFL in INT's with 14. On the list the only guy close to him was Palmer who threw 16 one every 20 attempts, and of course Palmer had retired so it wasn't surprising he threw a bunch of picks early in the season on a new club, not to mention down the stretch he didn't have 3 of their better WR's much of the time. Skelton amongst the guys I looked at had the highest INT rate in the league. That's mostly inaccuracy.

he has the physical talent, it'd be great if he could get there he's so big and strong you'd love to have a guy like that for 12 years, but so far he's WAY too inaccurate.

I'm VERY concerned about Kolb's concussions though.

Yeah, unfortunately we're no closer to having a franchise qb then we were when the season started. If anything, you could argue we're even further away, with money and picks frittered away on a qb that isn't that good even when healthy. Not good times.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Skelton 54.9% this year, knew the offense, improved, his best month was Dec 59%, that's better but still not very good.

Kolb was 57.7 for the year higher YPA, less INT's higher passer rating. The main difference of course is the won/loss record but that assumes I believe that was due to Skelton and not due to the improvement in the defense, and I don't.

Skelton was turning the ball over more than Kolb was but the defense was giving up LESS points, that was the defense.

The problem with Kolb is we don't know if he can stay healthy long enough to see how good he might be.

the problem with Skelton is I'm not sure the WR's can stay healthy long
enough for him to fix his terrible tendency to miss high.

Skelton finished tied for 10th in the NFL in INT's with 14. On the list the only guy close to him was Palmer who threw 16 one every 20 attempts, and of course Palmer had retired so it wasn't surprising he threw a bunch of picks early in the season on a new club, not to mention down the stretch he didn't have 3 of their better WR's much of the time. Skelton amongst the guys I looked at had the highest INT rate in the league. That's mostly inaccuracy.

he has the physical talent, it'd be great if he could get there he's so big and strong you'd love to have a guy like that for 12 years, but so far he's WAY too inaccurate.

I'm VERY concerned about Kolb's concussions though.

He speaks for me.

Yeah, unfortunately we're no closer to having a franchise qb then we were when the season started. If anything, you could argue we're even further away, with money and picks frittered away on a qb that isn't that good even when healthy. Not good times.

I tend to agree. But then I realized last year we had Derek Anderson, Max Hall, and a rookie Skelton and realize by default we are a lot closer with at least the hope of Kolb putting it together and Skeleton showing some improvement this past year.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah, unfortunately we're no closer to having a franchise qb then we were when the season started. If anything, you could argue we're even further away, with money and picks frittered away on a qb that isn't that good even when healthy. Not good times.

I agree. In addition to the concussions Kolb getting consistently worse the first half of the season is a big concern. Especially after the way his performance fell off the season before in Philly. It's like the more he plays the worse he gets.

 

[Stout]

Ugh. This is such a specitious argument. So why doens't Kolb get the benefit of the doubt like that? He played at Houston in a spread and unlike Skelton has NEVER had a full offseason in the Cardinals program. I don't get why that fact is so discounted so much. If Skeleton was going to be the "it" guy he would have done it this year. He has the tools and now has had the opportunity. It doesnt make any sense hes still making such bad reads and missing guys even on balls that are caught.

The player he is most compared to physically is Big Ben. Well Big Ben played at Miami of Ohio and certainly didnt have Larry Fitzgeral to throw too. But he came out the gate and dominated. Or at least enough to the point where you could say okay this guy is going to be good.

I see 3-4 good accurate throws a game from Skeleton and the rest are either okay passes fired in with no touch or off by 5 yards up or to the side by 10. Its ridiculous.

And as I said in my initial post. You don't LEARN accuracy in the NFL. If you want to go show me guys who were inaccurate in college and then came into the NFL and became more accurate I bet you could count them on 1 or 2 hands. You can learn to be better in the pocket, make better decisions, and be more cautious with the ball. But accuracy and arm strength, either you got it or you don't.

I mean look at these numbers:

Freshman 44%
Soph - 56%
Junior - 61%
Senior - 64%

He was like 58% for his college career (with an abysmal 44% his Freshman year) which sounds pretty good until you reliaze he was playing in the Patriot League against defenses that I am pretty sure TJ and I could suit up for.

Now here was Big Ben in college:

Freshman 63%
Sophomore 64%
Junior 69%

See the difference? Keep buyin all that Skelton stock you want Stout. I just dont see it.

Wow, really? You're going to compare Kolb--in the league for quite a long time--and Skelton--has had almost ZERO work in ANY offseason to develop, and is only in his second season--and use that comparison as an argument as to why Kolb should get a pass and Skelton should get drilled for accuracy issues? That's just plain silly. Kolb certainly can be excused for not knowing the offense well early on. The problem is that a lot of his errors were 'chicken with his head cut off' problems--not related to learning the offense.

Now, the above bolded sentence is either purposefully obtuse or just plain hating on Skelton. Has had the opportunity? You mean his rookie training camp and season, when he had almost no reps with the 1st OR 2nd string? Or all of this past offseason, when he was locked out? Or this very shortened training camp, where he didn't get hardly any reps? Yeah, I guess we differ on the meaning of the word 'opportunity'. 5th round pick out of Fordham--NEEDS TIME TO DEVELOP!!! NOT a difficult concept.

So, you want to compare him to Big Ben? A 5th rounder drafted about where many thought he would be drafted, compared to a 1st round QB. That in itself is enough to void your argument. Nobody was expecting great things from Skelton, but with ZERO prep and development time, he has shown some good QB qualities when called upon, and amassed a decent W-L record. To have expected him to be perfect right now is CRAZY.

As to his accuracy? Thank you for showing that he improved immensely in college. Will he improve his percentage in the pros? Nobody knows--no, not you either. The coaching staff has talked about this, as has Skelton. He has mechanical issues. He has had almost NO time to work on this with the staff. Will it improve enough to make him a solid starter, given that time to develop? Again, we have no way of knowing. I think he will, IMO, but I could well be wrong. What's laughable is that so many people are soooo certain he won't, and simply brush off his lack of any kind of developmental time. You go even further by saying Kolb should get a break on his development. Well, if you want to give a guy with THAT many years in the league a break on 'development', yet blast the kid who hasn't had ANY time to develop for not developing...well, that's just crazy talk.

Oh, and I believe the word you were looking for was specious.

Make no mistake, though, AF. I might think you are completely wrong and utterly biased in this debate, but I enjoy your posts. It's no fun when everyone agrees

 

[BigRedArk]

I'm going to assume you actually do know what bias means and that I won't have to explain the difference between watching someOne ALOT and thinking they don't have the goods and being bias against them.

I also don't claim to know the future but by the time you get to the NFL accuracy is either something you have or don't.

The list of guys who all of a sudden developed being more accurate is very very small. Johnny is what he is. Imnot saying he won't get better at all - its just not likely he becomes a guy who puts it right where it needs to be pass after pass after pass. If he does? Hallelujah. But if you want to hang your hat on that unlikely development, that's your issue not mine. just don't ask me to buy in either.

Whatever on the bias stuff. You sound so sure that he won't ever improve and become more than a good backup QB sounded biased to me.

Time will tell.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Wow, really? You're going to compare Kolb--in the league for quite a long time--and Skelton--has had almost ZERO work in ANY offseason to develop, and is only in his second season--and use that comparison as an argument as to why Kolb should get a pass and Skelton should get drilled for accuracy issues? That's just plain silly. Kolb certainly can be excused for not knowing the offense well early on. The problem is that a lot of his errors were 'chicken with his head cut off' problems--not related to learning the offense.

Now, the above bolded sentence is either purposefully obtuse or just plain hating on Skelton. Has had the opportunity? You mean his rookie training camp and season, when he had almost no reps with the 1st OR 2nd string? Or all of this past offseason, when he was locked out? Or this very shortened training camp, where he didn't get hardly any reps? Yeah, I guess we differ on the meaning of the word 'opportunity'. 5th round pick out of Fordham--
NEEDS TIME TO DEVELOP!!! NOT a difficult concept.

So, you want to compare him to Big Ben? A 5th rounder drafted about where many thought he would be drafted, compared to a 1st round QB. That in itself
is enough to void your argument. Nobody was expecting great things from Skelton, but with ZERO prep and development time, he has shown some good QB qualities when called upon, and amassed a decent W-L record. To have expected him to be perfect right now is CRAZY.

As to his accuracy? Thank you for showing that he improved immensely in college. Will he improve his percentage in the pros? Nobody knows--no, not you either. The coaching staff has talked about this, as has Skelton. He has
mechanical issues. He has had almost NO time to work on this with the staff. Will it improve enough to make him a solid starter, given that time to develop? Again, we have no way of knowing. I think he will, IMO, but I could well be wrong. What's laughable is that so many people are soooo certain he won't, and simply brush off his lack of any kind of developmental time. You go even further by saying Kolb should get a break on his development. Well, if you
want to give a guy with THAT many years in the league a break on 'development', yet blast the kid who hasn't had ANY time to develop for not developing...well, that's just crazy talk.

Oh, and I believe the word you were looking for was specious.

Make no mistake, though, AF. I might think you are completely wrong and utterly biased in this debate, but I enjoy your posts. It's no fun when everyone agrees

Well agree to disagree but I enjoy your posts too Stout. Most of the time I agree with you too!

 

[TJ]

Wow, really? You're going to compare Kolb--in the league for quite a long time--and Skelton--has had almost ZERO work in ANY offseason to develop, and is only in his second season--and use that comparison as an argument as to why Kolb should get a pass and Skelton should get drilled for accuracy issues? That's just plain silly. Kolb certainly can be excused for not knowing the offense well early on. The problem is that a lot of his errors were 'chicken with his head cut off' problems--not related to learning the offense.

Now, the above bolded sentence is either purposefully obtuse or just plain hating on Skelton. Has had the opportunity? You mean his rookie training camp and season, when he had almost no reps with the 1st OR 2nd string? Or all of this past offseason, when he was locked out? Or this very shortened training camp, where he didn't get hardly any reps? Yeah, I guess we differ on the meaning of the word 'opportunity'. 5th round pick out of Fordham--NEEDS TIME TO DEVELOP!!! NOT a difficult concept.

So, you want to compare him to Big Ben? A 5th rounder drafted about where many thought he would be drafted, compared to a 1st round QB. That in itself is enough to void your argument. Nobody was expecting great things from Skelton, but with ZERO prep and development time, he has shown some good QB qualities when called upon, and amassed a decent W-L record. To have expected him to be perfect right now is CRAZY.

As to his accuracy? Thank you for showing that he improved immensely in college. Will he improve his percentage in the pros? Nobody knows--no, not you either. The coaching staff has talked about this, as has Skelton. He has mechanical issues. He has had almost NO time to work on this with the staff. Will it improve enough to make him a solid starter, given that time to develop? Again, we have no way of knowing. I think he will, IMO, but I could well be wrong. What's laughable is that so many people are soooo certain he won't, and simply brush off his lack of any kind of developmental time. You go even further by saying Kolb should get a break on his development. Well, if you want to give a guy with THAT many years in the league a break on 'development', yet blast the kid who hasn't had ANY time to develop for not developing...well, that's just crazy talk.

Oh, and I believe the word you were looking for was specious.

Make no mistake, though, AF. I might think you are completely wrong and utterly biased in this debate, but I enjoy your posts. It's no fun when everyone agrees

To Kolb's defense, he may have been in the league for four seasons prior to being traded to the Cards, but was only on the field for less than one complete season during his tenure with the Eagles. So, even though he had the advantage over Skelton in that he got to observe the pro game, practice with professionals, and had some in vivo exposure, Kolb was still not a finished product and like Skelton, needed some time to develop.

There are several reasons why Kolb wasn't productive in his first season with the Cards, most of which stems from a lack of offseason. I know, I know people are sick of hearing this excuse, but IMO, I don't think the coaches had enough time to get to know how Kolb fit with the team's offense while Kolb himself was trying to learn everything on the fly. Sure, running backward when flushed out of the pocket and often leaving it too early is not a system excuse, but they are also problems that are easier to correct than throwing mechanics. In the Dallas game, he demonstrated the ability to stay tough in the pocket and only escape when it was necessary, for example, designed bootlegs or blown protection (see final pass play of that game to LSH). It is still a mystery whether or not this would have been a constant going forward and there is certain trepidation about his ability to stay healthy.

Skelton has some mechanical issues with which to deal in the offseason. He has the prototypical look of an NFL QB and good pocket awareness, but the high and wide throws and inconsistency are a bit of a concern to say the least. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has a chance to improve upon these areas, but as AZ Finest alluded to, accuracy is almost an innate skill going into the NFL.

No doubt, both of our quarterbacks have their work cut out for them in the offseason if they want to start Week 1 in 2012.

 

[Stout]

To Kolb's defense, he may have been in the league for four seasons prior to being traded to the Cards, but was only on the field for less than one complete season during his tenure with the Eagles. So, even though he had the advantage over Skelton in that he got to observe the pro game, practice with professionals, and had some in vivo exposure, Kolb was still not a finished product and like Skelton, needed some time to develop.

There are several reasons why Kolb wasn't productive in his first season with the Cards, most of which stems from a lack of offseason. I know, I know people are sick of hearing this excuse, but IMO, I don't think the coaches had enough time to get to know how Kolb fit with the team's offense while Kolb himself was trying to learn everything on the fly. Sure, running backward when flushed out of the pocket and often leaving it too early is not a system excuse, but they are also problems that are easier to correct than throwing mechanics. In the Dallas game, he demonstrated the ability to stay tough in the pocket and only escape when it was necessary, for example, designed bootlegs or blown protection (see final pass play of that game to LSH). It is still a mystery whether or not this would have been a constant going forward and there is certain trepidation about his ability to stay healthy.

Skelton has some mechanical issues with which to deal in the offseason. He has the prototypical look of an NFL QB and good pocket awareness, but the high and wide throws and inconsistency are a bit of a concern to say the least. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has a chance to improve upon these areas, but as AZ Finest alluded to, accuracy is almost an innate skill going into the NFL.

No doubt, both of our quarterbacks have their work cut out for them in the offseason if they want to start Week 1 in 2012.

This is a very fair post. Remember that my quoted post was in response to AF blasting Skelton, saying he already had the time to develop, and excusing Kolb because he still needed time to develop. I simply couldn't let THAT goofy argument fly

 

[CardLogic]

Just think - we'll get to rehash this same argument over and over again for the next 6 or 7 months.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just think - we'll get to rehash this same argument over and over again for the next 6 or 7 months.

...and in 12 months when we are no closer to finding a QBoF.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Just think - we'll get to rehash this same argument over and over again for the next 6 or 7 months.

I'm pumped, let the hash and rehash continue!!!!

Kolb sucks

Skelton sucks

Both suck

Kolb is our QBOF

Skelton is our QBOF

Neither is our QBOF

Both are our QBOF

All of the above

None of the above



.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

To Kolb's defense, he may have been in the league for four seasons prior to being traded to the Cards, but was only on the field for less than one complete season during his tenure with the Eagles. So, even though he had the advantage over Skelton in that he got to observe the pro game, practice with professionals, and had some in vivo exposure, Kolb was still not a finished product and like Skelton, needed some time to develop.

There are several reasons why Kolb wasn't productive in his first season with the Cards, most of which stems from a lack of offseason. I know, I know people are sick of hearing this excuse, but IMO, I don't think the coaches had enough time to get to know how Kolb fit with the team's offense while Kolb himself was trying to learn everything on the fly. Sure, running backward when flushed out of the pocket and often leaving it too early is not a system excuse, but they are also problems that are easier to correct than throwing mechanics. In the Dallas game, he demonstrated the ability to stay tough in the pocket and only escape when it was necessary, for example, designed bootlegs or blown protection (see final pass play of that game to LSH). It is still a mystery whether or not this would have been a constant going forward and there is certain trepidation about his ability to stay healthy.

Skelton has some mechanical issues with which to deal in the offseason. He has the prototypical look of an NFL QB and good pocket awareness, but the high and wide throws and inconsistency are a bit of a concern to say the least. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has a chance to improve upon these areas, but as AZ Finest alluded to, accuracy is almost an innate skill going into the NFL.

No doubt, both of our quarterbacks have their work cut out for them in the offseason if they want to start Week 1 in 2012.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Can I add one last point?

I waited for Jake the Fake to "develop". Didn't happen.

I waited for Josh McCown to "turn the corner". Didn't happen.

I waited for Hollywood Matt Leinart to "become a good quarterback". Did not happen.

I'm tired of waiting for QBs to develop. Tired I say! I've seen enough of Skelton so that I don't want to give him another 16 starts so that he has "the benefit of coaching and time in the system (or whatever)"!

Next QB candidate please!

 

[Stout]

Can I add one last point?

I waited for Jake the Fake to "develop". Didn't happen.

I waited for Josh McCown to "turn the corner". Didn't happen.

I waited for Hollywood Matt Leinart to "become a good quarterback". Did not happen.

I'm tired of waiting for QBs to develop. Tired I say! I've seen enough of Skelton so that I don't want to give him another 16 starts so that he has "the benefit of coaching and time in the system (or whatever)"!

Next QB candidate please!

Whoa, who said 16 starts? If he hasn't figured it out a great deal this past offseason, then a career backup will be his ceiling!

 

[kerouac9]

Can I add one last point?

I waited for Jake the Fake to "develop". Didn't happen.

I waited for Josh McCown to "turn the corner". Didn't happen.

I waited for Hollywood Matt Leinart to "become a good quarterback". Did not happen.

I'm tired of waiting for QBs to develop. Tired I say! I've seen enough of Skelton so that I don't want to give him another 16 starts so that he has "the benefit of coaching and time in the system (or whatever)"!

Next QB candidate please!

Skelton increased his completion percentage by 7.3 points, his YPA average by 1.7 yards, and his passer rating by 6.6 points. It's not like Skelton didn't improve, even without an offseason and a training camp that can be charitably described as limited.

It's not like he's not getting better.

Kolb improved on his career YPA by 0.6 yards and career passer rating by 4.4 points, but underachieved against his career completion percentage by 1.7 points.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Oh here I go again with another Kevin Kolb/ Aaron Rodgers comparison!

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/136856133.html

K9 jokes aside that is a great article. When you don't have all the physical tools, sometimes it takes a little longer to "get it".

Again provided he actually stays healthy, I believe Kolb is going to make a lot of fans look pretty stupid next year.

Hopefully its not me

 

[kerouac9]

Oh here I go again with another Kevin Kolb/ Aaron Rodgers comparison!

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/136856133.html

K9 jokes aside that is a great article. When you don't have all the physical tools, sometimes it takes a little longer to "get it".

Again provided he actually stays healthy, I believe Kolb is going to make a lot of fans look pretty stupid next year.

Hopefully its not me

Don't see Kolb's name at all in that article. Of course, when Rodgers did get his shot, he lit up the scoreboard like a pinball machine. He didn't draw immediate comparisons to Rob Johnson and get matched by a second year QB from the Patriot League who couldn't outperform Max Hall the year before.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Don't see Kolb's name at all in that article. Of course, when Rodgers did get his shot, he lit up the scoreboard like a pinball machine. He didn't draw immediate comparisons to Rob Johnson and get matched by a second year QB from the Patriot League who couldn't outperform Max Hall the year before.

Didn't mean to intimate Kolb was in that article. My point was people forget Rodgers wasn't a sure thing his first few years and it took a committed offseason to make it happen.

I'm hoping the same thing happens here. Or at least some variation of it.

 

[kerouac9]

Didn't mean to intimate Kolb was in that article. My point was people forget Rodgers wasn't a sure thing his first few years and it took a committed offseason to make it happen.

I'm hoping the same thing happens here. Or at least some variation of it.

Better comp is probably Matt Cassel. A guy who parlayed middling experience after a long time in the league into a trade and generous contract. The Cards would count themselves fortunate to get Cassel production out of Kolb at this point.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Don't see Kolb's name at all in that article. Of course, when Rodgers did get his shot, he lit up the scoreboard like a pinball machine. He didn't draw immediate comparisons to Rob Johnson and get matched by a second year QB from the Patriot League who couldn't outperform Max Hall the year before.

By whom but you?

 

[TJ]

By whom but you?

I haven't heard a single credible source compare him to Rob Johnson or any other one-hit wonder.

It's not to say Kolb won't wind up in this category, but I've heard more football people say that no one can clearly define Kolb's legacy without seeing him go through a full offseason with the Cardinals.

The appropriate time to be comparing Kolb to other players would be after the 2012 season.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I haven't heard a single credible source compare him to Rob Johnson or any other one-hit wonder.

It's not to say Kolb won't wind up in this category, but I've heard more football people say that no one can clearly define Kolb's legacy without seeing him go through a full offseason with the Cardinals.

The appropriate time to be comparing Kolb to other players would be after the 2012 season.

Just K-9 quoting himself to support an argument.