Fitzgerald: Matt Leinart = Steve Young

[Crazy Canuck]

The hate for Leinart on this board is way too thick...

No. Those who hate Leinart are thick...

 

[bg7brd]

Who said he was McCown? Just making an analogy that a few good games dont amount to a hill of beans.

Neither does one bad game.

 

[Mulli]

Who said he was McCown? Just making an analogy that a few good games dont amount to a hill of beans.

You brought up McCown, was just saying they must see something more than Cade McClown.

 

[Shane]

Neither does one bad game.

Your right good thing hes had more than 1 of those. BODY OF WORK is key!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Im judging that based on his body of work in 3 years in the NFL. In the time he has played in meaningful games he has a QB rating barely above the 60's, More Int's than TD's, More losses than wins as the starting QB. Heck when he had the job given to him on a silver platter he went out and all by his lonesome lost in a Quarter and a half of football in a meaningless pre-season game against a terrible Raiders team by throwing 3 picks in 1.25 Qtrs and should have been 4 picks thanks to a DB with the dropsies. He has a had a couple of really good games and moments. But so did Josh McCown. So that doesnt say much to me to be quite honest.

Im judging him based on the fact that that he was a top 10 pick coming out in the draft and was considered by MOST to be the most NFL ready QB in decades. Yet 4 season in he still will not be starting and we already have to start thinking about renegotiating the kid to a another contract due to escalators by the end of this coming year and we still likely wont have a clue if he has improved any.

A guy who was that highly touted and supposedly NFL ready should not be riding the pine at year 4 even at the QB position. PERIOD! He is already entering bust territory IMO. That certainly could change. But I'm not all that optimistic. IMO the coaching staff isnt all that high on him either considering they chose to sign the 38 year old QB to a new 2 year deal with starter money for both years. I dont care what Kurt did last year. If you have a QB who you think is good enough to get you to where you need to be you dont resign Kurt regardless of PR.

I could counter all this with things he has done and give you the "glass half full" perspective but basically what it comes down to is you are going to see things the way you want to. You have listed what the "perception" of him coming out and being "ready" like its the gospel when in reality it takes all young QBs time to adjust. Especially ones with crap-tastic teams around them as Matt had for the majority of the time he was starting. It took a while for this team to grow into itself under Wiz and when it did Warner was both the fulcrum and benefactor.

Leinart had a tough time on the road but has only started the equivalent of 16 games. To give you an idea Peyton Manning in his first 16 games went 3-13 and 28INTS. Time has shown us that those numbers were not a predicator of future success. And if you think Matt hasn't shown anything - well again you are seeing what you want to see.

You feel personally wronged it seems like because you assumed he was "the most ready" and going to come in and tear it up and he didn't. Thats not his fault. I felt he was progressing at a very natural rate and then the emergence of Kurt both at the end of 2007 and all 2008 has stunted that growth. Thats okay. He will be in an even better situation now once he steps in with a better team and a better idea of what it takes to succeed.

And believe me when that happens I won't let you forget about this. And if I am wrong you can hold it over my head until the end of time.

I won't be wrong though

 

[Shane]

Dont everyone get confused here, I LIKE MATT! I want him to succeed! It is only better for us if he does in the long run. I voted for him to start last year even though he had that terrible game against the Raiders.

I just think that the resigning of Warner to a two year deal with STARTER money in both years says a lot about what Whis thinks of Matt and his ability to hold down the position. His body of work based on his hype and draft position doesnt bode well.

But I am hopeful.

 

[Mulli]

Dont everyone get confused here, I LIKE MATT! I want him to succeed! It is only better for us if he does in the long run. I voted for him to start last year even though he had that terrible game against the Raiders.

I just think that the resigning of Warner to a two year deal with STARTER money in both years says a lot about what Whis thinks of Matt and his ability to hold down the position. His body of work based on his hype and draft position doesnt bode well.

But I am hopeful.

Insert "debate" on whether or not we should believe Shane H about whether or not he likes Matt.

 

[lauraw]

I'll still go with what Fitz sees in practice every day.. He could've begged his way out of the question..After the sentence ending with the word "success" he could have just shut up.

 

[Shane]

I could counter all this with things he has done and give you the "glass half full" perspective but basically what it comes down to is you are going to see things the way you want to.

As are you sir!

Natural progression? Are you kidding me? Name me other highly touted 1st round QB with a similar amount of hype than Leinart that took four years to develop in the last 15 years? I cant even think of any that had less hype that took this long?

Cutler? Pro Bowler
Phillip Rivers? Pro Bowler
Manning either one? Pro Bowlers
Mcnabb? Pro-Bowler

All by their 4th year too!

Matt Ryan??? WOW!
Joe Flacco?? Freaking Delaware? WOW!

Those are just a few. Their are many more. 4 and going to be 5 seasons is not the natural progression or normal length it takes QB of that caliber coming out of college to become THE GUY! He is absolutely behind the curve and falling further behind every day.

There is nothing natural about his progression. If you were talking about a 4th through 7th round project you may be onto something? But with Matt no way.

 

[Mulli]

Rex Grossman for the win!

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[IAWarnerFan]

Well we all know Kurt Warner=Joe Montana.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

As are you sir!

Natural progression? Are you kidding me? Name me other highly touted 1st round QB with a similar amount of hype than Leinart that took four years to develop in the last 15 years? I cant even think of any that had less hype that took this long?

Cutler? Pro Bowler
Phillip Rivers? Pro Bowler
Manning either one? Pro Bowlers
Mcnabb? Pro-Bowler

All by their 4th year too!

Matt Ryan??? WOW!
Joe Flacco?? Freaking Delaware? WOW!

Those are just a few. Their are many more. 4 and going to be 5 seasons is not the natural progression or normal length it takes QB of that caliber coming out of college to become THE GUY! He is absolutely behind the curve and falling further behind every day.

There is nothing natural about his progression. If you were talking about a 4th through 7th round project you may be onto something? But with Matt no way.

By design 1st round picks don't have Pro Bowl or Super Bowl starters in front of them. Who knows what Matt would have done had he started from Day one this past year?

If Jay Cutler was still behind Jake you wouldn't knwo much about him either.

And like the other poster mentioned those players you mentioned this past year in Flacco and Ryan had running games and defenses to help them. Matt didn't in 2006.

Look at Aaron Rodgers. He sat and look what it did for him. If Matt had played last year I firmly belive he would have had a similar type year.

But Kurt is here and we are not trying to get rid of him like GB was with Brett. It is not time to move on as Kurt took us to the SB and showed he has the goods so that we can win it. Who knows what happens next offseason if Kurt doesn't take us deep into the playoffs.

Want to know what I think? That if he doesn't it will be a similar situation as last year for GB. And they will cut Kurt loose to start Matt and see what they got. They couldn't do that this year but they structured the deal accordingly so they could next year.

Time will tell.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

As are you sir!

Natural progression? Are you kidding me? Name me other highly touted 1st round QB with a similar amount of hype than Leinart that took four years to develop in the last 15 years? I cant even think of any that had less hype that took this long?

Cutler? Pro Bowler
Phillip Rivers? Pro Bowler
Manning either one? Pro Bowlers
Mcnabb? Pro-Bowler

All by their 4th year too!

Matt Ryan??? WOW!
Joe Flacco?? Freaking Delaware? WOW!

Those are just a few. Their are many more. 4 and going to be 5 seasons is not the natural progression or normal length it takes QB of that caliber coming out of college to become THE GUY! He is absolutely behind the curve and falling further behind every day.

There is nothing natural about his progression. If you were talking about a 4th through 7th round project you may be onto something? But with Matt no way.

and then there are the early trials and tribulations of:

Terry Bradshaw - Steve Young

Hall of Fame.

 

[82CardsGrad]

and then there are the early trials and tribulations of:

Terry Bradshaw - Steve Young

Hall of Fame.

Good Lord... yet another reference to Young in a Matty debate... I'm about to get sick!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Fitz said 'every time he got in there last year he did great.' Matt didn't take one snap.
I do believe that Matt is the guy...the future...

Matt did play last year.

He threw for 264 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and a 80.2 QB rating.

Most of that was during that awful New England game.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Good Lord... yet another reference to Young in a Matty debate... I'm about to get sick!

The "Good Lord" would not approve your puking on my post.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The "Good Lord" would not approve your puking on my post.

It is impossible for 82 to make a post without crapping on someone else's with the smileys. It doesn't matter how many forums he gets banned from, he will continue do it because he thinks it is funny.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It is impossible for 82 to make a post without crapping on someone else's with the smileys. It doesn't matter how many forums he gets banned from, he will continue do it because he thinks it is funny.

C'mon Chris. Have I ever crapped on one of your posts?? As much as you bait me, I won't fall for it!

 

[sportznutt]

For $8 million next year, he better be.

He IS the man on my Madden '08!

 

[DemsMyBoys]

The hate for Leinart on this board is way too thick...

I was never terribly pro-Leinart (UCLA girl) but I'm starting to get excited about having him as our QB post-Kurt. I think he has shown a lot of growth as a person off the field and to me that is something that counts. And I think he's done a lot of observing and learning that will make him a much better player on the field.

That said, I get more impressed with Larry as a person as the days go by and I read more of his interviews. And when his NFL career is over I think there's a career in the Diplomatic Corps waiting for him.

Wish the season was starting TOMORROW!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It is no suprise that the same guys who have always been in a hurry to judge Leinart are the same ones trying to tear down Fitzgerald's opinion.

You could probably go to the infamous "Fez hot tub" thread and see the same 4 guys.

Same with the "Matt party's at his house with Co-Eds" thread.

Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sheesh look at the tags. Someone put "Golden Boy".

The green of jealousy is not a pretty color.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It is no suprise that the same guys who have always been in a hurry to judge Leinart are the same ones trying to tear down Fitzgerald's opinion.

You could probably go to the infamous "Fez hot tub" thread and see the same 4 guys.

Same with the "Matt party's at his house with Co-Eds" thread.

Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

For the record, my beef was with the Matty to Young comparisons... I honestly don't care whether or not Matty scores in a hot tub, just as long as he's producing scores on Sunday!

:insertthumbsupsmiley:

 

[Chris_Sanders]

People always make comparisons. I just saw a thing on NFL Network comparing Matt Stafford to Troy Aikman. Is it worth arguing over?

No.

 

[82CardsGrad]

People always make comparisons. I just saw a thing on NFL Network comparing Matt Stafford to Troy Aikman. Is it worth arguing over?

No.

I'll argue a Ferrari over Ford Pinto any day...