Fitzgerald: Matt Leinart = Steve Young

[Chris_Sanders]

I'll argue a Ferrari over Ford Pinto any day...

That is not a nice thing to say about Matt Stafford.

 

[82CardsGrad]

That is not a nice thing to say about Matt Stafford.

Wrong Matt... and no, don't have a thing against Matt's...

 

[jefftheshark]

Dont everyone get confused here, I LIKE MATT! I want him to succeed! It is only better for us if he does in the long run. I voted for him to start last year even though he had that terrible game against the Raiders.

I just think that the resigning of Warner to a two year deal with STARTER money in both years says a lot about what Whis thinks of Matt and his ability to hold down the position. His body of work based on his hype and draft position doesnt bode well.

But I am hopeful.

Is this the same Warner that flew to Frisco on a 49ers private jet, who was wined & dined and was supposedly inches away from being signed to a better offer than our FO wanted to pay?

Just checkin'.

JTS

 

[Skkorpion]

Strange thread. Order needs to be restored. I'm in charge. (Learned to do that from General Alexander Haig)

1. cdsfanmd, you are the voice of reason here. Stop that immediately. You are ruining your reputation.

2. Mulli being Mulli. Sigh. Fixing this one is impossible. I resign.

Carry on.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Sheesh look at the tags. Someone put "Golden Boy".

The green of jealousy is not a pretty color.

LOL that was me.

I said that toungue in cheek

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I really really really hate the tags feature. So many people use it as an excuse to take an anonymous shot at someone or something.

One of Keebali's worst additions by far.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I really really really hate the tags feature. So many people use it as an excuse to take an anonymous shot at someone or something.

One of Keebali's worst additions by far.

Worse than the smilies?

:thatsajoke:

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Strange thread. Order needs to be restored. I'm in charge. (Learned to do that from General Alexander Haig)

1. cdsfanmd, you are the voice of reason here. Stop that immediately. You are ruining your reputation.

2. Mulli being Mulli. Sigh. Fixing this one is impossible. I resign.

Carry on.

It had been awhile since we had a good ol fashioned Matt throw down thread. We were getting to many Q and Hood/Laboy threads anyway. Might as well change it up.

Needless to say all of these threads will be in the HOF once Matt starts and takes us to the promise land.

Or thats what I keep telling myself.

 

[Pariah]

Because a salary-cap strapped team doesnt pay a 37 year old QB 20million dollars guaranteed if they thought the cheaper "QB-of-the-future" was ready to play.

Pretty simple

Doesn't the reverse apply here, too? Why pay a backup QB so much money if you didn't think he had the chops to replace the old HoF QB that just took your team to a SB?

If the Cards didn't like Leinart you would have heard a ton of trade talk from them. The reality is that all of the trade talk came from outside the organization.

Or, they would have just cut him. They've shown they're not afraid to cut higher profile guys.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

saying the Cards are cap strapped is not acuurate. When free agency strarted they were way under the cap and could afford to give Warner big money. The situation would have been alot different if the Cards were up against the cap at the beginning of FA. If that was the case, i'm pretty sure the reins would have been handed over to Leinart. After the year Warner had,to think he'd be replaced with all that cap space is pretty ridiculous to use that as a testament against Leinart. I don't understand why Fitz praising Leinart would cause such a debate . Now, if he said Leinart wasn't the answer,or Leinart should be starting,then i can see a big debate. Fitz probably, just maybe, knows more than us on what Leinart can do. BTW, Fitz didn't say Leinart was the next Steve Young. He was comparing their sitautions and how Young blossomed thinking it's possible for ML to do the same.

 

[vinnymac]

saying the Cards are cap strapped is not acuurate. When free agency strarted they were way under the cap and could afford to give Warner big money. The situation would have been alot different if the Cards were up against the cap at the beginning of FA. If that was the case, i'm pretty sure the reins would have been handed over to Leinart. After the year Warner had,to think he'd be replaced with all that cap space is pretty ridiculous to use that as a testament against Leinart. I don't understand why Fitz praising Leinart would cause such a debate . Now, if he said Leinart wasn't the answer,or Leinart should be starting,then i can see a big debate. Fitz probably, just maybe, knows more than us on what Leinart can do.

Fitz knows more about Leinart than all of us put together. What does everyone expect Fitz to say about a teammate. That they are garbage & couldn't play patty cakes with a 2 year old. Personally I believe Leinart will prove to be the man when he plays.

 

[BigRedArk]

Doesn't the reverse apply here, too? Why pay a backup QB so much money if you didn't think he had the chops to replace the old HoF QB that just took your team to a SB?

If the Cards didn't like Leinart you would have heard a ton of trade talk from them. The reality is that all of the trade talk came from outside the organization.

Or, they would have just cut him. They've shown they're not afraid to cut higher profile guys.

Well stated!!! At minimum the Coaching staff would at least demote him to 3rd string QB if they didn't have confidence in him or think he was capable of being the QBOF.
Of course there are some who might say that he has to stay at least 2nd string because of the money he makes. That is horse manure too! Lets see...I believe Edge made a coin or two more that Hightower when he was demoted last year IIRC.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm in complete agreement with Shane on this. The Cards have already overpaid a QB for what he did the year before to appease the fans. It lead to 5 years of some of the worst football the NFL has ever seen.

Leinart did not play behind a pro bowl QB in 2006 or 2007. In fact Warner was so mediocre that Leinart replaced him as starter in 2006 and was the starter in 2007 until Matt broke his collarbone. In the meantime Leinart didn't do enough to keep the starting job.

Now the Cards have tied up $11.5 million cap space with a $7.5 million hit next year minimum in a 38 year old in a young man's league. I just can't see the new Cards doing that if they had faith that Leinart could step in and maintain the offense at the same level.

They can't be that short sighted can they?

 

[Shane]

I'm in complete agreement with Shane on this. The Cards have already overpaid a QB for what he did the year before to appease the fans. It lead to 5 years of some of the worst football the NFL has ever seen.

Leinart did not play behind a pro bowl QB in 2006 or 2007. In fact Warner was so mediocre that Leinart replaced him as starter in 2006 and was the starter in 2007 until Matt broke his collarbone. In the meantime Leinart didn't do enough to keep the starting job.

Now the Cards have tied up $11.5 million cap space with a $7.5 million hit next year minimum in a 38 year old in a young man's league. I just can't see the new Cards doing that if they had faith that Leinart could step in and maintain the offense at the same level.

They can't be that short sighted can they?

Perfectly stated Duck! Great points about 2006 and 2007!

 

[ReddBird]

For those that slam Warner...guess you weren't able to watch the games last year, huh?

Leinart has been unimpressive on the field but I've seen some real maturity in how he's handled being the #2 guy. No pouting, no demands, and total support of the team's success. And, no matter what anyone else says, maturity is a huge factor if you want a successful QB.

If Fitz says that he's got the goods, I'm inclined to believe him.

 

[Shane]

For those that slam Warner...guess you weren't able to watch the games last year, huh?

Leinart has been unimpressive on the field but I've seen some real maturity in how he's handled being the #2 guy. No pouting, no demands, and total support of the team's success. And, no matter what anyone else says, maturity is a huge factor if you want a successful QB.

If Fitz says that he's got the goods, I'm inclined to believe him.

What Fitz sees in practice which is really all he has to go on of late is not really indicative of anything.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

What Fitz sees in practice which is really all he has to go on of late is not really indicative of anything. Now if Q had said that it would mean something.

FTFY

 

[Shane]

FTFY

But of course.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm in complete agreement with Shane on this. The Cards have already overpaid a QB for what he did the year before to appease the fans. It lead to 5 years of some of the worst football the NFL has ever seen.

Leinart did not play behind a pro bowl QB in 2006 or 2007. In fact Warner was so mediocre that Leinart replaced him as starter in 2006 and was the starter in 2007 until Matt broke his collarbone. In the meantime Leinart didn't do enough to keep the starting job.

Now the Cards have tied up $11.5 million cap space with a $7.5 million hit next year minimum in a 38 year old in a young man's league. I just can't see the new Cards doing that if they had faith that Leinart could step in and maintain the offense at the same level.

They can't be that short sighted can they?

C'mon DJ. He is a first year player. Most of them DON'T look very good. And he did break a record and beat good teams in that span of time. What really were you looking for? Go look at the majority of 1st year QB's on bad teams. They are up and down.....like Matt. I agree he didn't understand what it took in this league when he first go in. But everything he has done since then has shown otherwise.

It's all perspective. I never once said Matt could play at the same level as Kurt and "maintain" the same offense. Really who does think that? It would be his first full season. That would be asking alot to be the #2 passing offense in football.

That wouldn't make him a bust. It would mean he is not better then one of the 2 or 3 best QB's in the league.

And if they didn't have faith in Matt - wouldn't drafting a QB been more important this past year? Warner is on borrowed time by everybody's admission.

The Titans don't have any faith in Vince Young. Thats why a journey men is starting over him. We have the NFC Pro Bowl starter at this point. Man wasn't ready in 2006 and even 2007. And 90% of QB's arent ready to play their first 2 years. But in years 3 and 4 they are. He is ready now. And NOW Kurt is a Pro Bowl starter.

That's the problem.

I would have liked for him to step up and ball out every preseason game last year. But he didn't have a margin for error with Warner playing well last year and he had a bad game. Lord knows Kurt has had that happen (see Jets game last year). The good thing for Kurt was that he had that game once he was ingrained as the starter. Matt didn't have that luxury. And keep in mind Kurt didn't play lights out during the competition either. He just avoided the stinker.

I am not saying he is 100% going to be awesome. I have my doubts too. But dumping all the money and time into him they have it would be ridiculous to not try and get something back on that investement. Or worse having him use what he learned somewhere else.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

It doesn't matter who is throwing...Fitz could make Alex Smith look like a God.

 

[187]

I'm not a big fan of Matt at all, but I think he has potential to be a successful QB on our team. He hasn't had a legit start since I think week 3 of the '07 season against Baltimore and I'm not going to pay attention to what he did in the preseason. Because the last time I checked Detroit went undefeated in the PS and we all know how that worked out. He's had starting experience and then essentially two years to sit back and (hopefully) learn from Kurt, so I think he will come through for us when we need him to step and be the man.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Pretty simple only explains one thing and that is you. I guess I shouldn't expect much from someone who has Pat freaking White on his avatar. Why don't you go cheer for Miami?

There is so much wrong with your statement I don't even know where to start. First a salary cap strapped team? We are up against the cap BECAUSE we gave Kurt a 2 year contract. You know the same QB who led us to the freaking Super Bowl, was the Pro Bowl starter and almost MVP? How does it even make sense to let him leave....for salary cap reasons? What a joke.

Young Peyton Manning could have been sitting on the bench and there is NO WAY they would be able to let Kurt walk from both a PR, team, and football stand point. You can't let someone who hasn't established himself take the job when a guy who just took you two minutes away from a SB win and was the primary reason for it can still play and wants to continue to play for the team.

I don't even know why I take the time to respond to posters like yourself. Its obvious you just don't get it and no matter how slowly I or anyone else breaks it down for you thats not going to change.

Believe what you want but when Matt is starting and succeeding for this team don't try to get on the bandwagon then. I won't let you on.

Well played. Personal insults on a message board b/c you have a man crush on Leinart. Talk about simple.

I do agree with one statement though, you shouldn't take the time to respond to me with this dribble. Facts are facts and Kurt is the starter for a reason. Coz the coaches dont think Leinart is ready. I am not sure how you can twist that. BUt whatever. Enjoy your miserable existence...

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I consider myself a realist. Yes I like Matt and think he will be good. And yes I am excited by what I have seen up until this point. He has question marks but most young QB's do. And we haven't really seen enough to say definitely one way or the other.


What more do you want Cardinal fan?

Again, try to read the posts. I would love Leinart to succeed, but your "realist" glasses are covered in Leinart love juice b/c you are apparently the only one who believes he is ready to take over this team.

I hope he is a world beater. I hope he is a hall of famer. This whole debate started when I asked what did people expect Fitz to say? And you became all butt hurt and blew this out of proportion.

1. I want him to succeed
2. Hope he is a hall of fame QB that leads the Cards to multiple SB wins
3. HE ISNT READY TO PLAY RIGHT NOW AS WITNESSED BY WARNERS NEW CONTRACT! Why do you feel like that statement is so damning? Jesus, it is the truth.

 

[Pariah]

3. HE ISNT READY TO PLAY RIGHT NOW AS WITNESSED BY WARNERS NEW CONTRACT! Why do you feel like that statement is so damning? Jesus, it is the truth.

I disagree. I don't think it's a "fact" at all. It's your opinion. I'd argue that he's not playing and warner's new contract is less about Leinart and more about Warner. I don't think you're giving Warner enough credit.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Fitz "I also think Matt is just as good as Namath, I mean he can party in a hot tub with chicks with the best of them"

LOL, I personally think Leinart will be a good QB, saying he will be a great one like Young is pushing it...but ya' never know, hey Fitz, pour me some more of that Koolaid bro