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[clif]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

 

[Jttsaz]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

Based on DG's track record I will absolutely give him the benefit of the doubt. In my eye's DG has 2-3 years to turn this program into a playoff caliber team. He has my full support...

 

[Ryanwb]

Dude, we've been in both games going into the 4th quarter a far cry from last year. The difference is already there.... He is getting a free pass from me this season, but next year these close games need to trasnlate into wins!!

 

[TheCardFan]

Based on DG's track record I will absolutely give him the benefit of the doubt. In my eye's DG has 2-3 years to turn this program into a playoff caliber team. He has my full support...

What he said. 2006 = Playoffs

 

[SECTION 11]

My stance is that this town should get off it's collective ass and support this team for once.

 

[earthsci]

My stance is that this town should get off it's collective ass and support this team for once.

Ditto. Free pass for Green.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I LOVE Dennis Green, I love what is happening and this team will turn it around. New players, Injuries a bad O-line and a new QB, going against a team that was 12-4 and then the Superbowl champs, did much better then expected. Get Quan back, get on the same page and this team will win games. Way too early to jump ship

 

[conraddobler]

My stance is that this town should get off it's collective ass and support this team for once.

The past is the past, my stance on DG is that he wasn't my first choice cause I don't like him.

Having said that, he's as good a coach as we could reasonably be expected to get and we are lucky to have him. He gets at least 3 years to turn this beast around.

I don't like all the moves but if I did what would that prove? I never coached a winning football game in my life.

His track record is enough for me and he is a huge upgrade over any coach we have had in the past 20+ years so we should just let him do his thing and judge him after a fair amount of time.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

I assume you may be talking about me. I have said I believe in Green and believe he will turn this thing around and I do. But I still dont believe he had to bench Shipp, cut Kendall, bench Shelton, rearrange the deck chairs on the titantic (O-Line), and basically ship guys off to the doghouse never to be heard from again!

Like I have said some of his moves baffle me but he is a winner and I have to believe he will win eventually. I think the nonsense of 10 wins playoff team is just that-nonsense but I think it will happen eventually!

 

[Mrospi]

Full Support

 

[Russ Smith]

Great coach, terrible control freak.

Go to Vikingsmessageboard.com and ask people what they think of Solomon and Hargraves. Solomon is called "the anticoach" by Vikings fans. He was apparently notorious for falling asleep in meetings, was charged with sexual harassment while in Minnesota, and once physically confronted a CB and had to be separated from him. Those were just a few of the reasons why the owner told Green to fire him, he promoted him.

Wood according to most was a mediocre QB coach.

Hargraves a yes man and a hatchet man Green used to make cuts.

Green is in charge, he always has been, these are just friends he gave jobs to, not real coaches, they aren't really here to help, they're just here as buddies of Green.

That's why it scares me. he is perfectly capable of being the OC while Wood is away,he already IS the OC this is his offense remember?

 

[Red Fury]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

I'm on board with DG and will give him 3-4 years to turn this thing around. I didn't agree with all of his moves but I think that the ground work is being laid for a solid foundation.

 

[Lex]

I love the way Denny does business. I love the body language, the confidence.

I don't care what he decides to do, no free pass, I just happen to like everything he's done so far.

LJ was not benched. He wasn't ready to play in the early mini camps, was overweight due to the recovery from surgery, and will make our offense so much better when he returns to the starting lineup next week, that people will be shocked. (I hope)

As for the cronyism people are worried about, that's how it works in the NFL. When Mike Holmgren went to Green Bay, he hired all his buddies that were on the staff with him in SF. I think most of them are head coaches in the NFL now.

 

[Chaz]

Green's past worries me a little because it seems like he burned some bridges in Minnesota and many Minnesota fans are not happy with him (despite him making that team respectable).

If he can make this group competetive and steal a few extra wins this year it is a good start.

In any event Green pretty much gets a free pass this year but next season they will need to get wins not just be competetive.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If he can make this group competetive and steal a few extra wins this year it is a good start.

In any event Green pretty much gets a free pass this year but next season they will need to get wins not just be competetive.

Agree with you and Ryan.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Im in!

 

[conraddobler]

Green's past worries me a little because it seems like he burned some bridges in Minnesota and many Minnesota fans are not happy with him (despite him making that team respectable).

If he can make this group competetive and steal a few extra wins this year it is a good start.

In any event Green pretty much gets a free pass this year but next season they will need to get wins not just be competetive.

There is an element to DG that happens to be racisism. I am not saying there are not valid criticisims of the guy there are many of them. The out and out hatred of the guy that some are speaking of though isn't pure football related hatred because Tice is a ******* and he dosen't get half the crap DG got.

Tice presided over a monumental collapse that wasn't really injury related but gets no one that mad at him? Odd isn't it?

Green to me is the equivilant of Marty Schottenheimer a good solid coach who has a few glaring weaknesses. Tice isn't in that league but he isn't hated.

Some of it was just frustration at not taking the last step but there is no denying that a good deal of it is because Green is black.

I am the first one that hates playing the race card, I hate when it is used and I don't even like DG as a person but honestly I'd have to say he got jobbed there a bit as well as threw a fit and threatend ownership at the end making matters worse but hey if I was him I think I would have been angry too.

He is a control freak and it worked for the guy it is his style, he has problems but when it comes to wins vs losses it is really really hard to see where the hate would come from if he was white.

 

[AZCB34]

Green will leave this organization in shambles without ever having been able to hoist Lombardi. Oh and none of it will have been his fault in the slightest.

The ride to his exit may be fun for awhile but at the end, even his regular season wins will not be able to sustain Cards fans. They will demand more than regular season wins (and he will hang up on them) and he will be unable to deliver and will quit before he is fired.

yes, history will repeat itself.

 

[clif]

There is an element to DG that happens to be racisism. I am not saying there are not valid criticisims of the guy there are many of them. The out and out hatred of the guy that some are speaking of though isn't pure football related hatred because Tice is a ******* and he dosen't get half the crap DG got.

Tice presided over a monumental collapse that wasn't really injury related but gets no one that mad at him? Odd isn't it?

Green to me is the equivilant of Marty Schottenheimer a good solid coach who has a few glaring weaknesses. Tice isn't in that league but he isn't hated.

Some of it was just frustration at not taking the last step but there is no denying that a good deal of it is because Green is black.

I am the first one that hates playing the race card, I hate when it is used and I don't even like DG as a person but honestly I'd have to say he got jobbed there a bit as well as threw a fit and threatend ownership at the end making matters worse but hey if I was him I think I would have been angry too.

He is a control freak and it worked for the guy it is his style, he has problems but when it comes to wins vs losses it is really really hard to see where the hate would come from if he was white.

 

[SECTION 11]

Green will leave this organization in shambles without ever having been able to hoist Lombardi. Oh and none of it will have been his fault in the slightest.

The ride to his exit may be fun for awhile but at the end, even his regular season wins will not be able to sustain Cards fans. They will demand more than regular season wins (and he will hang up on them) and he will be unable to deliver and will quit before he is fired.

yes, history will repeat itself.

You're just bitter because Green went 14-4 against the Bears!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

There is an element to DG that happens to be racisism. I am not saying there are not valid criticisims of the guy there are many of them. The out and out hatred of the guy that some are speaking of though isn't pure football related hatred because Tice is a ******* and he dosen't get half the crap DG got.

Tice presided over a monumental collapse that wasn't really injury related but gets no one that mad at him? Odd isn't it?

Green to me is the equivilant of Marty Schottenheimer a good solid coach who has a few glaring weaknesses. Tice isn't in that league but he isn't hated.

Some of it was just frustration at not taking the last step but there is no denying that a good deal of it is because Green is black.

I am the first one that hates playing the race card, I hate when it is used and I don't even like DG as a person but honestly I'd have to say he got jobbed there a bit as well as threw a fit and threatend ownership at the end making matters worse but hey if I was him I think I would have been angry too.

He is a control freak and it worked for the guy it is his style, he has problems but when it comes to wins vs losses it is really really hard to see where the hate would come from if he was white.

Nice post.

Something that is oft-overlooked as well is the fact that some of Greens former white players have countered that he is the racist and that he shows special treatment to black players.

I dont buy into it one bit (we all have favorites thats life-forget race) but I am not sure why it is never mentioned when the 'Race' card is thrown out??

 

[AZCB34]

You're just bitter because Green went 14-4 against the Bears!

Was he really 14-4 against the Bears? Hmmm...now I hate him even more. Fire the bastard!

 

[DieHardCardFan]

There is an element to DG that happens to be racisism. I am not saying there are not valid criticisims of the guy there are many of them. The out and out hatred of the guy that some are speaking of though isn't pure football related hatred because Tice is a ******* and he dosen't get half the crap DG got.

Tice presided over a monumental collapse that wasn't really injury related but gets no one that mad at him? Odd isn't it?

Green to me is the equivilant of Marty Schottenheimer a good solid coach who has a few glaring weaknesses. Tice isn't in that league but he isn't hated.

Some of it was just frustration at not taking the last step but there is no denying that a good deal of it is because Green is black.

I am the first one that hates playing the race card, I hate when it is used and I don't even like DG as a person but honestly I'd have to say he got jobbed there a bit as well as threw a fit and threatend ownership at the end making matters worse but hey if I was him I think I would have been angry too.

He is a control freak and it worked for the guy it is his style, he has problems but when it comes to wins vs losses it is really really hard to see where the hate would come from if he was white.

I am sorry but this to me is complete BS! I personally love coach Green and believe in him. But to call the race card is BS! Just because you or I cant see why people dont like him does not mean it is race related. Coach Green gets alot of people angry that were Vikes fans because they were butthurt that he left and left in the middle of controversy. To bring out the race card is BS, and the fact that others on this board are so quick to agree with you on this is pretty bothersom to me.


On the original topic! My position is I am behind Coach Green all the way. I have not agreed with some of the moves he has made, but this team is improved and he is a man that I believe. I have met him a few times and he just seems genuine to ME.

 

[Brighteyes]

I'm on board with Green 100%.

He's an excellent coach, but more important, he's got the background in turning around a few loosing organizations. That's crucial -- and why I'm quite willing to cut him some slack when he releases a player I thought was doing pretty good.

As far as the 'past' -- seems best to me to wipe the slate clean. For one thing, we'll never know the full story, and for another, the way people get to be great at what they do is through their mistakes, not being perfect.

I've had a dozen Vike's fans tell me I'll be crying in my beer when we've been in the playoffs three years running, and can't break into the Superbowl. Frankly, I'd love to be crying over that rather than another 4 and 12 season.

He's got at least 2 years with me before I begin to worry.

 

[TheCardFan]

Green will leave this organization in shambles without ever having been able to hoist Lombardi. Oh and none of it will have been his fault in the slightest.

The ride to his exit may be fun for awhile but at the end, even his regular season wins will not be able to sustain Cards fans. They will demand more than regular season wins (and he will hang up on them) and he will be unable to deliver and will quit before he is fired.

yes, history will repeat itself.

He hardly left the Vikings in shambles...throw us in that briar patch.

He has taken arguably the most difficult job in all of sports...Head Coach of the Arizona Cardinals. If he can get us even close to where he had the Vikings...we should all bow down and give him respect. A man with an ego yes...but I think that is what is needed at this time for success.