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[conraddobler]

I am sorry but this to me is complete BS! I personally love coach Green and believe in him. But to call the race card is BS! Just because you or I cant see why people dont like him does not mean it is race related. Coach Green gets alot of people angry that were Vikes fans because they were butthurt that he left and left in the middle of controversy. To bring out the race card is BS, and the fact that others on this board are so quick to agree with you on this is pretty bothersom to me.


On the original topic! My position is I am behind Coach Green all the way. I have not agreed with some of the moves he has made, but this team is improved and he is a man that I believe. I have met him a few times and he just seems genuine to ME.

All I was doing is countering some peoples arguements on here who said something to the effect of if he is so great why do they hate him so much in Minny HA HA.

I do not think the race card is BS at all and that was what was behind the whole McNabb thing last year. That situation was BS.

I agree people hide behind it way too much bring it up to much and use it any time it is convenient but that dosen't mean it dosen't happen.

It isn't by any means the whole story but I would have to stick by what I said and believe that it did and still does motivate some of the negative feelings about the guy.

 

[clif]

I am sorry but this to me is complete BS! I personally love coach Green and believe in him. But to call the race card is BS! Just because you or I cant see why people dont like him does not mean it is race related. Coach Green gets alot of people angry that were Vikes fans because they were butthurt that he left and left in the middle of controversy. To bring out the race card is BS, and the fact that others on this board are so quick to agree with you on this is pretty bothersom to me.


On the original topic! My position is I am behind Coach Green all the way. I have not agreed with some of the moves he has made, but this team is improved and he is a man that I believe. I have met him a few times and he just seems genuine to ME.

Just because it is not obvious does not mean it was or is not there. I don't think it is a major factor in Minn or here, but to completely ignore it is BS as well.

 

[JeffGollin]

He's done some weird things personnel-wise - things I wouldn't have done if I were Head Coach.

But that's not my job.

It's what they pay Dennis to do. And you have to respect the fact that his methods have proved consistently successful over a relatively long period of time.

My stance is to give him the benefit of the doubt, and let outcomes determine how I ultimately judge him. So far the outcomes of two regular season games aren't so hot. But it's early.

Ask me again around Game #12.

 

[D-Dogg]

Fully behind Green. Benefit of the doubt.

Very few expectations for this season...6-10 would be fabulous. BUT NO BLOWOUTS with uninspired play.

2-3 years, and we should be legit playoff contenders. Good drafts building upon good drafts.

The most important thing I want to see this year is a team that builds confidence and momentum as the season ends.

Green does things his way, and I'm fine with that. I give him for his moves, even Kendall. You do what you feel you have to in order to change the philosophy of a team. This is a tough assignment, and Denny has a good shot at turning the ship around.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Denny is from Harrisburg...I a from Harrisburg. Guess where my opinion lays?

 

[DieHardCardFan]

All I was doing is countering some peoples arguements on here who said something to the effect of if he is so great why do they hate him so much in Minny HA HA.

I do not think the race card is BS at all and that was what was behind the whole McNabb thing last year. That situation was BS.

I agree people hide behind it way too much bring it up to much and use it any time it is convenient but that dosen't mean it dosen't happen.

It isn't by any means the whole story but I would have to stick by what I said and believe that it did and still does motivate some of the negative feelings about the guy.

Not saying these things dont happen at all. But I dont personally think this was the case with Coach Green.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Green has made good moves and some poor moves.

We are right on track for my 4-12 prediction. I said it from the beginning...A QB that can't read a defense + a rookie center + a shuffled offensive line + Boldin and Shipp hurt=crappy team no matter who coaches.

Our team is about as competitive as it can be.

Green has made some mistakes...and yes one of them is cutting Kendall. A bigger mistake was not finding an adequate backup in case McCown fails.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Green will leave this organization in shambles without ever having been able to hoist Lombardi. Oh and none of it will have been his fault in the slightest.

The ride to his exit may be fun for awhile but at the end, even his regular season wins will not be able to sustain Cards fans. They will demand more than regular season wins (and he will hang up on them) and he will be unable to deliver and will quit before he is fired.

yes, history will repeat itself.

dennis green history maybe, 'cuz you certainly ain't describing cardinals history. and i'll take denny's history over the cards history any day of the friggin' week.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

denny more than gets the benefit of the doubt. his history of work is impressive. the cards' history, not so much. some things he's done have raised my eyebrows, but i believe in him more than in any previous coach or member of our front office. kendall was a high priced baby - good riddance i say.

thus far we've lost two games. and yeah, the pats game was ugly. but we've been more competitive in these games than i expected and more so than we would have been last year by a longshot. the defense, the supposed weak link of the team, has been good in collecting turnovers (i'm not about to say they've caused 'em all, 'cuz dillon just dropped the ball to bert berry on sunday) and has kept the team nominally in the game. that said, i have complete faith in denny shoring up the offense. is it gonna happen this year? prolly not. but w/ the improvement of the defense and the expected improvement of the offense, i have faith in denny gettin' us to the playoffs where anything can happen.

 

[This_Guy]

Here's my take:

The Cardinals aren't that far from winning right now. The defense is undermanned, yet playing with agression and making plays, enough to keep a decent offense in a game. The special teams look good. The offense is also undermanned, but missing a few pieces.

Nate Poole should move into the 3 WR rotation and Johnson should be moved to number 4. LJ Shelton should play somewhere on the line, hopefully right tackle would work out well. Shaun King needs to be the starter.

Make those 3 changes and get Boldin back by mid November and the Cards can be 8-8 this year. Dennis Green can do that with the present talent.

 

[Wild Card]

Here's my take: Shaun King needs to be the starter.

Gosh, imagine my surprise.

WC

 

[RedStorm]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

This team was so bad that he has to break it down before he can build it up. I bet if he had his way, DG would fire everyone and take a three year hiatus from playing any games and start building from scratch for the 2007/2008 season.

I am pleased so far. We have had two games and we have not been blown out. I only expect us to win 4 games this year (0 on the road and 4 at home). So, I am not surprised as of yet.

 

[black]

I support Green, and hope all of his moves pan out. My worries lie on the 0-line and its unproductivity. Kendall being gone could remain a blunder IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm totally in. I see a different attitude out there already - but the same or even - gasp worse talent - due to injuries. Believe me folks - I am gonna get real sick of just being competitive, but that won't happen until next year when I expect this team to be much better.

Think of us as an expansion team - especially in light of the fact that over the last 25 games of the Mac tenure we were arguably one of the worst football teams in modern history. This team needed to be razed to the ground before it could be built up and that's what Denny's doing. We'll see 5 or 6 wins this year - and then 8 or 9 next and then be in the playoffs the year after and set up for years to come - I'm on board with that and after watching wretched football for sooooo many years, I'm patient enough to watch this for one more season to get to the greater good.

I still find it hilarious that Walter wanted him fired before her even coached a regualr season game - still the most ridiculous sports statement I have ever heard in my life.

 

[Russ Smith]

He hardly left the Vikings in shambles...throw us in that briar patch.

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Green left a 5-11 team that went 6-10 the next year. Tice is basically using Green's offense, but he had to totally rebuild the defense that Green ignored, Chris Hovan is the only defensive starter that Tice inherited from Green.

Now he DID draft moss and Culpepper and deserves all the credit in the world for those 2 picks, but they went 11-21 with those 2 guys before Tice and company rebuilt the defense, which still isn't that great.

 

[clif]

Green left a 5-11 team that went 6-10 the next year. Tice is basically using Green's offense, but he had to totally rebuild the defense that Green ignored, Chris Hovan is the only defensive starter that Tice inherited from Green.

Now he DID draft moss and Culpepper and deserves all the credit in the world for those 2 picks, but they went 11-21 with those 2 guys before Tice and company rebuilt the defense, which still isn't that great.

and they still missed the playoffs and looked very shaky last night.

 

[Skkorpion]

Denny Green will win here but not this year. Too many injuries, new system, new staff, not enough quality defensive starters.

I predicted we'd lose both those games and we did but were much more competitive than I thought we'd be.

We will see significant progress in the offense by mid-year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Great coach, terrible control freak.

Go to Vikingsmessageboard.com and ask people what they think of Solomon and Hargraves. Solomon is called "the anticoach" by Vikings fans. He was apparently notorious for falling asleep in meetings, was charged with sexual harassment while in Minnesota, and once physically confronted a CB and had to be separated from him. Those were just a few of the reasons why the owner told Green to fire him, he promoted him.

Wood according to most was a mediocre QB coach.

Hargraves a yes man and a hatchet man Green used to make cuts.

Green is in charge, he always has been, these are just friends he gave jobs to, not real coaches, they aren't really here to help, they're just here as buddies of Green.

That's why it scares me. he is perfectly capable of being the OC while Wood is away,he already IS the OC this is his offense remember?

I don't get the control freak being an issue.Most HC's are control freaks.At least the successful ones are.Parcells doesn't evem let his assistants talk to the media.You don't think Holmgren,Shanahan,Parcells,and Gibbs have a handle on evry single aspect of their teams and want things done their way? Why is Green held to a different standard?

 

[clif]

I don't get the control freak being an issue.Most HC's are control freaks.At least the successful ones are.Parcells doesn't evem let his assistants talk to the media.You don't think Holmgren,Shanahan,Parcells,and Gibbs have a handle on evry single aspect of their teams and want things done their way? Why is Green held to a different standard?[/QUOTE]

Because he is BLAC...... oh wait...


just kidding. (maybe )


I really think it is because he is doing things that are not the norm here.

 

[phillycard]

Look, I'm willing to keep my hands and legs inside the cart at all times. I've removed all sharp objects from my pockets, and I am aware that the Cardinals assume no responsibility from me riding this ride. No for real though, 2 games in, and no one really has any reason to complain. Its easy to buy into the raised expectation hype, but this is not an overnight fix. There is years of damage from the roster to the perception of the front office that will need to get repaired. I'm fully supportive of DG and what he's doing unless he proves utter incompetence, and I don't think he's capable. We will be winners VERY soon. I believe that fully.

 

[BW52]

I can`t stand the arrogant ***** (DG).That said and out of the way i hope that what he is trying to do works with the Cards.I think several of his player decisions have backfired (shuffling the O-line,Hodgins on IR,failure to bench AC).The team is STILL SOFT IN the middle and the fact the Russell Davis still is getting major time shows the lack of improvement.Why not Nix?
Why not Rueber at RT? Where were the adjustments by the coaches Sunday? I for one remain hopefull DG can turn things around but so far nothing has been done to convince me.If the team remains competitive and keeps EVERY game close and wins a couple then i will be convinced.Still sticking by my prediction 2-14 with a few late heartbreakers.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't get the control freak being an issue.Most HC's are control freaks.At least the successful ones are.Parcells doesn't evem let his assistants talk to the media.You don't think Holmgren,Shanahan,Parcells,and Gibbs have a handle on evry single aspect of their teams and want things done their way? Why is Green held to a different standard?

Because the other guys aren't coaching the Cardinals.

 

[arthurracoon]

See my sig!

 

[football karma]

Great coach, terrible control freak.

Go to Vikingsmessageboard.com and ask people what they think of Solomon and Hargraves. Solomon is called "the anticoach" by Vikings fans. He was apparently notorious for falling asleep in meetings, was charged with sexual harassment while in Minnesota, and once physically confronted a CB and had to be separated from him. Those were just a few of the reasons why the owner told Green to fire him, he promoted him.

Wood according to most was a mediocre QB coach.

Hargraves a yes man and a hatchet man Green used to make cuts.

Green is in charge, he always has been, these are just friends he gave jobs to, not real coaches, they aren't really here to help, they're just here as buddies of Green.

That's why it scares me. he is perfectly capable of being the OC while Wood is away,he already IS the OC this is his offense remember?

All the carping on this by Viking fans leave me in stitches. This is like dating Heidi Klum and complaining that she has an accent. You have a coach that makes a team a perrenial playoff team and all you do is complain about the secondary coach, ignoring what really counts -- wins on the field. By the Viking complainer standards, Andy Reid should be fired right now, because he also cant win a big game in the playoffs.

Green is the most credentialed coach the Cardinals have hired in a long, long time. For all these controversial moves cited, the only one of matter is cutting Pete Kendall.

LJ Shelton promoters convienently overlook that he basically couldnt play for the last half of camp to today due to a back injury. Marcell Shipp broke his leg. Dexter Jackson practiced once during the offseason and training camp due to a bad back.

 

[Lars the Red]

Total support. Very impressed with certain aspects of the play. I could careless if DG is a control freak. The number of coaches that could be put into that same catagory far outweigh the ones that aren't control freaks.

This team will respond.