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[Russ Smith]

All the carping on this by Viking fans leave me in stitches. This is like dating Heidi Klum and complaining that she has an accent. You have a coach that makes a team a perrenial playoff team and all you do is complain about the secondary coach, ignoring what really counts -- wins on the field. By the Viking complainer standards, Andy Reid should be fired right now, because he also cant win a big game in the playoffs.

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Why did the Vikings go 15-1 and not win a superbowl? I would say it was partially on their secondary, and maybe that's why the fans felt Solomon wasn't very good at his job? Fans of good teams are just like us, they look for reasons they think the team isn't better, with the Vikings it was usually the defense.

Heidi has an accent? That does it she's off my list.

 

[CardLogic]

Look, I'm willing to keep my hands and legs inside the cart at all times. I've removed all sharp objects from my pockets, and I am aware that the Cardinals assume no responsibility from me riding this ride. No for real though, 2 games in, and no one really has any reason to complain. Its easy to buy into the raised expectation hype, but this is not an overnight fix. There is years of damage from the roster to the perception of the front office that will need to get repaired. I'm fully supportive of DG and what he's doing unless he proves utter incompetence, and I don't think he's capable. We will be winners VERY soon. I believe that fully.

Mind if I share the cart with you! WWWHHHHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!!

 

[CardLogic]

Re: the race issue

- Anyone who doesn't see there being one probably isn't black. Now I am not saying it is a major factor but it is a factor. Denny is arrogant and outspoken, no doubt. When a black man in this country has these characteristics to some people it is subconsciously threatening and they therefore establish a dislike and mistrust of the person exhibiting those characteristics. We are much more comfortable with calm quiet black men such as Tony Dungy... Deny it if you like, but this is well defined social phsychological behavior.

And for the record - to those of you who don't know... I am a white guy. This is the first and last time I will address or speak of Denny Green's race.

 

[ajcardfan]

Why did the Vikings go 15-1 and not win a superbowl? I would say it was partially on their secondary, and maybe that's why the fans felt Solomon wasn't very good at his job? Fans of good teams are just like us, they look for reasons they think the team isn't better, with the Vikings it was usually the defense.

Heidi has an accent? That does it she's off my list.

Bottom line though, if Anderson makes that kick, they're in. And, he hadn't missed one all year. I'm sure it can be argued that it never should've been that close, but that doesn't seem to matter for New England, does it?

 

[football karma]

Why did the Vikings go 15-1 and not win a superbowl? I would say it was partially on their secondary, and maybe that's why the fans felt Solomon wasn't very good at his job? Fans of good teams are just like us, they look for reasons they think the team isn't better, with the Vikings it was usually the defense.

Heidi has an accent? That does it she's off my list.

They lost because they had a kicker who missed a chippy to salt the game away. As I recall, it was Jamaal Anderson running, rather than passing that hurt the Vikes.

 

[conraddobler]

Why did the Vikings go 15-1 and not win a superbowl? I would say it was partially on their secondary, and maybe that's why the fans felt Solomon wasn't very good at his job? Fans of good teams are just like us, they look for reasons they think the team isn't better, with the Vikings it was usually the defense.

Heidi has an accent? That does it she's off my list.

Name one Cardinal coach ever to be 15-1 or win the superbowl.

It's the same with Marty Shottenheimer the Chiefs would rack up 13-3 seasons and then pffffft and lose at Arrowhead without losing a regular season game there all year.

People didn't hate the man though they did want him fired.

I will also say that teams like the Chiefs rack up ridiculous wins at home because of the FANS and their home STADIUM.

This is the part of the puzzle that lies squarely on the state of ARIZONA and no they haven't had much to cheer about but the fan support even given that isn't what it should be.

And while I'm on the subject the leaders there invited him and then stiffed Bidwill on a stadium. He said year after year he needed a new stadium to contend and no one ever built one until about 20 years later.

Truly weird in today's NFL.

It's a unique area, heck I live in KC and I don't root for the Chiefs more than in passing but I do go to the games and they aren't even my team. I would think just experiencing a NFL game would be enough for some.

I sat through a Mac led drubbing and paid 200$ a seat for club level tickets to boot. Talk about being hijacked and still I went.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

100% behind Green......and I ain't getting much sun

Seriously Green will make a winner out of this franchise. You must remember that Green must first undo what past Cardinals coaches have done before him. THEN he must start to build a winning ball club.

We have all seen that he is close to undo-ing the past. Since we now have a competitive team you can see the improvement.

But it will be a hard road for Green. If you didn't like Denny Green to begin with then it will be very hard for him to convince you that he is the guy. 0-2 with a pathetic looking offense is gonna bring some heat on Green.

But the one who are willing to be patient, and understand what Green is doing, and has already done know that there is finally a light at the end of the tunnel instead of pitch black.

Peace

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

Can I have people state here what their stance is on DG and the direction they see him taking the team.

I am getting confused as some keep jumping back and forth.

I will state that I will give him the benefit of the doubt based on his past success and so far based on the intensity and competiveness that the team has shown so far. Of course moral victories are never accepted, but there has to be room to accept the positives and criticize the negative.

I do not agree with all of DG's moves, but none of them have been "mind blowers"


I see the team headed in the right direction.

I can sum it up in 3 words!

I'm for him! He holds people accountable with retribution. Haven't ever seen this before in 30 years on a Cardinal team. I might not agree with his moves (ie Josh) but I trust he knows what he's doing. He gets a 2 year pass.

Okay more than 3 words.

 

[conraddobler]

100% behind Green......and I ain't getting much sun

Seriously Green will make a winner out of this franchise. You must remember that Green must first undo what past Cardinals coaches have done before him. THEN he must start to build a winning ball club.

We have all seen that he is close to undo-ing the past. Since we now have a competitive team you can see the improvement.

But it will be a hard road for Green. If you didn't like Denny Green to begin with then it will be very hard for him to convince you that he is the guy. 0-2 with a pathetic looking offense is gonna bring some heat on Green.

But the one who are willing to be patient, and understand what Green is doing, and has already done know that there is finally a light at the end of the tunnel instead of pitch black.

Peace

Agree with everything except the pitch black thing I think there was always light in the tunnel but it was the Wiley Coyote type light where a train comes out of nowwhere and runs over you version.

 

[jmt]

I'm with Denny until we go 3-13 and 4-12 back to back.

 

[MrY]

I believe that things happen when people are ready for them to happen, or they can accept certain things into their conscienceness. Maybe, just maybe the Bidwills are ready to accept winning into theirs.

I am ready to accept the Cardinals as winners into my life.....Godspeed Denny Green.

 

[Rats]

I'm on board with Green 100%.

He's an excellent coach, but more important, he's got the background in turning around a few loosing organizations. That's crucial -- and why I'm quite willing to cut him some slack when he releases a player I thought was doing pretty good.

As far as the 'past' -- seems best to me to wipe the slate clean. For one thing, we'll never know the full story, and for another, the way people get to be great at what they do is through their mistakes, not being perfect.

I've had a dozen Vike's fans tell me I'll be crying in my beer when we've been in the playoffs three years running, and can't break into the Superbowl. Frankly, I'd love to be crying over that rather than another 4 and 12 season.

He's got at least 2 years with me before I begin to worry.

I am down with this also.......

 

[Red Dawn]

Green gets my vote, you can already see the team playing better, even if some of our talent is sub-par. It wont be too long til teams wont want to see the Cards on their schedule.

 

[Jetstream Green]

For the record

Denny Green is the best move this fanchise has done in a very long time. Green will do well if everyone can have a little patience.

I support this guy, I believe in him.

 

[Red Air Force]

I'm totally in. I see a different attitude out there already - but the same or even - gasp worse talent - due to injuries. Believe me folks - I am gonna get real sick of just being competitive, but that won't happen until next year when I expect this team to be much better.

Think of us as an expansion team - especially in light of the fact that over the last 25 games of the Mac tenure we were arguably one of the worst football teams in modern history. This team needed to be razed to the ground before it could be built up and that's what Denny's doing. We'll see 5 or 6 wins this year - and then 8 or 9 next and then be in the playoffs the year after and set up for years to come - I'm on board with that and after watching wretched football for sooooo many years, I'm patient enough to watch this for one more season to get to the greater good.

I still find it hilarious that Walter wanted him fired before her even coached a regualr season game - still the most ridiculous sports statement I have ever heard in my life.

What he said. Denny Green is the best coach this team has seen since Air Coryell, except this time he has the support of the owner.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Green is the man. He will get us to the playoffs by the time the stadium opens. Have faith.

This team has improved over last year but is so thin on talent it is going to take some time.

I am especially impressed with how well the defense has played this year.

 

[Rocco]

I'll give Green 3 years. He gets a free pass from me this year and he very well may get one next year.



No coach is going to make the correct decision every single time. The best ones hit the ones that matter much more than they miss, but they all miss from time to time.

Vermeil went thru a couple of rough seasons in St. Louis before turning around the Rams. Fox did it in 2 in Carolina but he had terrific prospects on the DLine and was able to get Davis and Delhomme in the same offseason. I was hoping we would make a run at Delhomme. I remember reading that several people around the league thought he would do very well when he came out of NO.


Of course, Cinci and Dallas turned things around quickly but Lewis had much better offensive talent available than people thought and Parcells had a defensive base to work with. Plus, he's just a great coach.

IMHO, we're going to need a minimum of two more solid drafts to get this thing turned around. One reason we're unable to attract free agents is the lack of talent on our roster. I think the only way we're going to upgrade our roster with playmakers for the forseeable future is going to be through the draft. Of course, that's going to mean having to go through some growing pains with young players, much like we're seeing right now.

I loved the change in draft philosophy this year from need to BPA.

I gave up on the front office about two decades ago, but the Bidwills may be starting to get competitive, mainly because the continuous losing is starting to hit them in the wallet. I believe the cards posted a loss last year, the only NFL team to do so in the past 3 seasons. A new, yet mainly empty, stadium will not help them much in the future.

 

[arthurracoon]

BTW, this thread title brings back memories:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0393973956/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-9679350-0586405#reader-page

 

[PhxGametime]

Well I'm a Suns homer/diehard - casual Cardinals fan (I watch away games on Tv) don't read this board a lot (on Suns board a lot). IMO I'd like Cardinals to play to win, I watched Rams game and listened to Patriots - I feel Cardinals could be 2-0. I will be a fan of all home teams (minus asu, UofA fan) and will support teams and I'm not Football expert but I do believe Cardinals have talent to win now. Not capitalizing on turnovers was disappointing, I enjoyed watching Rams game/listening to Patriots game though.

I was hoping Green would pull a Bob Brenly (D'Backs) and get Cardinals into Playoffs but like the Suns of 2 of the last 3 years - moving from bottom to Playoff caliber with young talent would be exciting. If Green feels we do have talent to win now, I'd like to play to win now though. I will support team if Cardinals don't win while Green is here but D'Backs are only team in town (Suns, UofA BbaLL, D'Backs, Cardinals, Mercury) that I follow - that get a pass or I feel can't make Playoffs (with current talent). D'Backs getting Sexson back next year and I could throw them into mix of Playoff caliber teams.

UofA Basketball is the only team though I would be disappointed if they didn't make Playoffs (pro sports at least higher Draft Picks are involved ) but those are my teams in each sport and have my support. Play to win now and if you don't make Playoffs - thanks for the ride.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Great coach, terrible control freak.

Go to Vikingsmessageboard.com and ask people what they think of Solomon and Hargraves. Solomon is called "the anticoach" by Vikings fans. He was apparently notorious for falling asleep in meetings, was charged with sexual harassment while in Minnesota, and once physically confronted a CB and had to be separated from him. Those were just a few of the reasons why the owner told Green to fire him, he promoted him.

Wood according to most was a mediocre QB coach.

Hargraves a yes man and a hatchet man Green used to make cuts.

Green is in charge, he always has been, these are just friends he gave jobs to, not real coaches, they aren't really here to help, they're just here as buddies of Green.

That's why it scares me. he is perfectly capable of being the OC while Wood is away,he already IS the OC this is his offense remember?

These things trouble me. However, we really don't know exactly what is happening, so I will reserve judgment.

I agree with the assessment that our ability to stay in two tough games is some proof of improvement. Atlanta on the road this week is another tough game. Will this team still play hard in week four if it's 0-3?

Bottom line is that Green is a proven winner. It may take him a while to get the horses in place he needs to get it done, but I doubt it will take longer than two drafts + two offseasons. I fully expect to compete for a playoff spot in 05'. If we haven't made the playoffs by 06', I'll start thinking about going in another direction.

 

[BACH]

I think Green has made some weird decisions, but overall I'm 100% behind him. If Green believes that benching Shelton and cutting Kendell was needed in order to change the attitude of the team then I can't complain.

But with all these changes we have to realize that in some areas the team will take a step backward before they'll start to show production on the field.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this around Nov 1, because by then:
- Boldin is back and will take pressure of Fitz and Johnson

- Johnson is 100% again and he and Fitz will have gotten even more experience and hopefully improved a lot.

- The O-line will have gelled, and have hopefully shown major improvement.

- We'll find out if Wendall Bryant can play

- McCown have gotten more experience

- Hayes and Dansby are starting.

I think (and hope) that this team will show significant improvement in the 2nd half of the season and the we'll finish with a record around 6-10.

Add one or two quality free agents and another good draft and we'll be a play-off contender next year.

 

[Redmark]

Fully behind Green. Benefit of the doubt.

Very few expectations for this season...6-10 would be fabulous. BUT NO BLOWOUTS with uninspired play.

2-3 years, and we should be legit playoff contenders. Good drafts building upon good drafts.

The most important thing I want to see this year is a team that builds confidence and momentum as the season ends.

Green does things his way, and I'm fine with that. I give him for his moves, even Kendall. You do what you feel you have to in order to change the philosophy of a team. This is a tough assignment, and Denny has a good shot at turning the ship around.

Agree 100%. Stay with the program and the offense will begin to click and put up some huge numbers when Boldin, Fitz and Johnson and QB are all playing on same page. OL has talented players that just need to get used to playing with each other. Shelton seems like odd man out, belongs at LT but Davis is getting better and can be a dominant player.

 

[Bobcat]

Agree 100%. Stay with the program and the offense will begin to click and put up some huge numbers when Boldin, Fitz and Johnson and QB are all playing on same page. OL has talented players that just need to get used to playing with each other. Shelton seems like odd man out, belongs at LT but Davis is getting better and can be a dominant player.

Just look at what the Detroit Cach has done in just a little over a year with the Lions. Go DG. make us proud.

Bobcat

 

[CardNots]

I'm onboard with DG. I too, believe his staff lacks talent. I feel this team has received some respect from its opponents. I personally feel will will end up with a 3-13 record.

We need two more good drafts and we should be making the playoffs on a regular basis.

 

[Redmark]

I agree with the assessment that our ability to stay in two tough games is some proof of improvement. Atlanta on the road this week is another tough game. Will this team still play hard in week four if it's 0-3?

We could go 0-8 before we get our first win, home against the Giants, but I don't think this team will give up like last year's road failures. I don't see us having much of a chance this week against Falcons, but have a very positive feeling about being able to upset Saints (w/o Deuce) and maybe stealing a win in S.F. (that team is in shambles). If we are able to get to 2-3 going into bye and get "Q" back for final 11 games, I think we'll have a respectable 7 plus win season. And that aint bad, all things considered.