Fossum traded for Cruz DONE DEAL

[coyoteshockeyfan]

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com...206&content_id=939949&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

 

[The Commish]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see Cruz being a centerfielder. So who are we gonna stick out in Center now? The one good thing is that at least we didn't give up Connor Jackson or Carlos Quentin- perhaps management does know what they are doing.

 

[Lefty]

Even though I am not a big fan of Cruz, I like getting him for only Fossum. Also, the Diamondbacks got cash too.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Cruz has played more games at CF than anywhere else on the field so he should be okay out there. Fossum's mere presence on the field was a daily embarassment for the fans and organization considering who he was traded for. Filled a need while dumping a guy who was nothing short of awful last year even though I don't think the book is closed on Fossum's pitching career.

 

[WizardOfAz]

*sigh* ....taking cash from the D'Rays?!?

 

[AZZenny]

*sigh* ....taking cash from the D'Rays?!?

ROFLMAO! Good point! Well, Cruz has an overly rich contract this year.
I'm sorry - no love lost for Fossum - but he should have been used to get something better than Cruz.

Cruz hasn't played much CF since 2001, actually; been mainly RF - but the DRays signed Danny Bautista for a reason. Hmmmm... wonder what it was?

p.s. Curt Schilling = Brandon Lyon - who has yet to pitch for us - and Jose Cruz (plus cash). Am I forgetting someone?

 

[green machine]

I don't mind this. Cruz can hit for power, and should be solid in center.

I like Fossum and think he would have been solid, but he's still fairly unknown and we seem to have a decent amount of back of the rotation starters.

 

[Yuma]

3 birds with 1 stone!!

1. Got rid of arbitration problem.

2. Got a Center Fielder.

3. Got cash!

Gotta love those three for one trades!!

 

[devilalum]

I find it intersesting how the Dbacks seem to always insist on cash being included in trades but gladly throw it away when signing free agents.

 

[boondockdrunk]

p.s. Curt Schilling = Brandon Lyon - who has yet to pitch for us - and Jose Cruz (plus cash). Am I forgetting someone? [/QUOTE]

Micheal Goss... so no you arent forgetting anyone. Nothing special, just a throw in prospect.

 

[WildBB]

3 birds with 1 stone!!

1. Got rid of arbitration problem.

2. Got a Center Fielder.

3. Got cash!

Gotta love those three for one trades!!

#2 - Yea , got a center fielder and didn't give up the organizations future!

Named Quentin and Jackson.

 

[WildBB]

p.s. Curt Schilling = Brandon Lyon - who has yet to pitch for us - and Jose Cruz (plus cash). Am I forgetting someone?

Micheal Goss... so no you arent forgetting anyone. Nothing special, just a throw in prospect.[/QUOTE]

Your both forgetting that the Schilling trade allowed us to sign Sexson. Now that didn't work out, true. But in his place they were able to sign Glaus for about the same $ they could've resigned Sexson for.

And we did get two high draft picks for Sea. signing Sexson.

 

[RLakin]

Anything for Fossum is good (despite delusional Joe's plans to put Cruz in CF).

 

[devilalum]

Well if this is it I must say that I'm not blown away with enthusiasm but there are similarities to the 1999 season.

We signed Randy and everybody went off on what a waste it was and how we still didn't have the players to compete. They also said Randy was washed up. We had other vets that had basically been written off. All the Dbacks did that year was win 110 games.

 

[devilalum]

Anything for Fossum is good (despite delusional Joe's plans to put Cruz in CF).

Someone needs to introduce "delusional Joe" to unemployed Joe or early retirement Joe.....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That 1999 season was the culmination of a bunch of guys having career years. It could happen this season with Green, Glaus, Ortiz, Estes, and Clayton but I'm not going to bet on it.

 

[devilalum]

That 1999 season was the culmination of a bunch of guys having career years. It could happen this season with Green, Glaus, Ortiz, Estes, and Clayton but I'm not going to bet on it.

I too am doughtful but I could see it happening if we get off to a fast start. I think there are several players on this team that have just lost their confidence. A fast start could be just what the doctor ordered.

Baseball has got to be the most mental of all the major sports. When marginal players are feeling confident they can do amazing things.

Remember when Barajas hit like .500 for about 4 weeks. He was hitting everything and everybody and the guy is not a great player.

Get a few good players on a roll and see what happens.

 

[schillingfan]

Your both forgetting that the Schilling trade allowed us to sign Sexson. Now that didn't work out, true. But in his place they were able to sign Glaus for about the same $ they could've resigned Sexson for.

And we did get two high draft picks for Sea. signing Sexson.

Michael Goss is a throw-in suspect, not a prospect.

I guess the question is whether the D-Backs would have been better with Curt Schilling last year and the most likely first and supplemental picks they would have gotten for him as opposed to the supplemental and 3rd round pick tey got from Seattle.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Michael Goss is a throw-in suspect, not a prospect.

I guess the question is whether the D-Backs would have been better with Curt Schilling last year and the most likely first and supplemental picks they would have gotten for him as opposed to the supplemental and 3rd round pick tey got from Seattle.

Yeah, thats great and all...except for the fact that the Diamondbacks could NOT, absolutely NOT keep Schilling under any normal circumstances. Due to JC's mandate, keeping him for a year and getting picks was certainly out of the question. They got fleeced in the deal, but thats what happens when you are forced to dump no matter what and only a few teams are able trade for a guy.

 

[Stan C]

In 1999, they had the top base stealer in the league batting first. Tony screwed with pitchers head's so much even Jay Bell in the 2 hole hit 35 HR's. I'd love to see them get some speed back. Watching Womak that year is what got me back into baseball.

 

[schillingfan]

Yeah, thats great and all...except for the fact that the Diamondbacks could NOT, absolutely NOT keep Schilling under any normal circumstances. Due to JC's mandate, keeping him for a year and getting picks was certainly out of the question. They got fleeced in the deal, but thats what happens when you are forced to dump no matter what and only a few teams are able trade for a guy.

I'm missing something. Who is "they"?

I thought we were talking about what the D-Backs did and could have done. JC set the mandates, he was the D-Backs, so I fail to understand how the D-Backs are not responsible for his decisions. The forcing to dump came from the D-Backs.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I'm missing something. Who is "they"?

I thought we were talking about what the D-Backs did and could have done. JC set the mandates, he was the D-Backs, so I fail to understand how the D-Backs are not responsible for his decisions. The forcing to dump came from the D-Backs.

They meaning the management. And you cant blame JC for making management get rid of Schilling if the team didnt have the cash to keep him. Keeping him was not an option. Period. Dot. End of story.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

They got fleeced in the deal, but thats what happens when you are forced to dump no matter what and only a few teams are able trade for a guy.

That's not what happened with the A's were forced to trade Tim Hudson or Mark Mulder. Likewise with the RJ trade of this past summer. DBacks got screwed in the Schilling deal because Joe Jr. lacked the creative capacity to involve other teams in the deal thus accepting the best the Sox could offer instead of what he wanted.

 

[schillingfan]

They meaning the management. And you cant blame JC for making management get rid of Schilling if the team didnt have the cash to keep him. Keeping him was not an option. Period. Dot. End of story.

They had the cash to keep him. They spent it on Richie Sexson. Plus, the gave Gonzo a big contract, handed Dessens $3 mil for no reason, etc. etc.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

They had the cash to keep him. They spent it on Richie Sexson. Plus, the gave Gonzo a big contract, handed Dessens $3 mil for no reason, etc. etc.

The difference between the contracts of Schilling plus the expensive scrubs we sent to the Brewers and Richie Sexson was nearly $10 Million. If they had the cash, he wouldnt have been traded. The Diamondbacks got rid of Schilling for one primary reason - salary. Keeping him was not a realistic option.