Franchise took a big step back today

[Chopper0080]

Lol. Our lines aren’t comparable. You must not actually football anymore. I mean today’s game alone showed the difference. Holes and time for Allen. None of that for cards. And the drop off from Saquon and mccaffrey to Johnson is astronomical. Saying he’s third is a weak attempt to mask a deficiency in your argument. While technically true it doesn’t paint the accurate picture.

Saquon left the game today.
The only special player on any of these lines in Kevin Zeitler...that is it. The rest are just average dudes.

Leonard Fournette is no David Johnson, even this David Johnson.

Kirk and Fitz are better than anything those teams have.

The only TE that is anything noteworthy is Evan Engram.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

WRs on every team drop big plays. RBs fumble. Olines are bad. You take guys #1 and they are expected to rise above and overcome those issues. If they can't, they are just a guy and you wasted your #1 pick.

Are they expected to do so in their first three games? Context man, context. I don’t want to look it up, but I wonder how many legitimate #1 picks (drafted by the team that actually had the #1 pick - you know the team that was actually worst in the league the prior year) started their first three games in the rookie seasons and “rose above and overcame” the teams issues. I kinda doubt that’s been common.

 

[dscher]

This is why you take a guy #1. Daniel Jones just beat the Bucs. Minshew won in primetime. None of these guys were expected to be playing better than Murray, but they are. Murray needs to step up or he is just another over-drafted, mid level QB. Everyone pointed out how people were making excuses for Rosen...well...let's not make excuses for Murray. We wasn't the 4th QB taken in his draft.

Sooo... Kyle Allen should have been a first round pick because he beat Murray today? Shouldn't we believe in context? As they say in the markets.... One day doesn't make a trend. One day doesn't make a career.

 

[Stout]

Are they expected to do so in their first three games? Context man, context. I don’t want to look it up, but I wonder how many legitimate #1 picks (drafted by the team that actually had the #1 pick - you know the team that was actually worst in the league the prior year) started their first three games in the rookie seasons and “rose above and overcame” the teams issues. I kinda doubt that’s been common.

Which is why I absolutely trashed the "KM is God" posters. This board set up a boatload of unfair expectations for the kid, and that's making it look a hell of a lot worse. Not that it looks good.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You’re taking this as a defense of Keim who’ve I’ve repeatedly said should be fired but if you don’t think owners pull strings on the big gun hires idk what to tell ya.

Owners should ideally sign off on big moves, not pull strings.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Trying to compare Murray to Brees, after today, does not make anyone take you seriously.

You might want to check Brees's game logs from his first 3 games in the NFL. Kyler is doing much better. But you clowns don't seem to understand that rookies don't dominate in their first season no matter how good they are.

 

[Covert Rain]

OMG the drama by some posters here about KM. He is in his 3rd game and people already forgot he is a rookie. The sky is falling the sky is falling. Sheesh!

This team has a ton of holes but KM isn’t at the top of my worries. He is a rookie who looked like a rookie today. The team has much bigger problems than KM.

 

[GatorAZ]

Actually I think the argument could easily be made an NFL owner who cares about winning would have never hired Kliff.

I'm with Ouchie...Mikey had to agree but this is all Keim.

There’s no hot seat as an owner. They take chances.

A GM on the hot seat hiring a guy that got fired and had the 3rd worst winning% in school history is a bold move, Cotton.

 

[Arz101]

Kyler is better than Rosen. No doubt. So Cards made the move to draft him. Is Kyler better than Andy Dalton? Time will tell. For a rookie, Kyler played well so far.

On the laundry list of issues today, Kyler doesn't crack top 3.

 

[dscher]

Kyler is better than Rosen. No doubt. So Cards made the move to draft him. Is Kyler better than Andy Dalton? Time will tell. For a rookie, Kyler played well so far.

On the laundry list of issues today, Kyler doesn't crack top 3.

Good post. Context. I like it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Saquon left the game today.
The only special player on any of these lines in Kevin Zeitler...that is it. The rest are just average dudes.

Leonard Fournette is no David Johnson, even this David Johnson.

Kirk and Fitz are better than anything those teams have.

The only TE that is anything noteworthy is Evan Engram.

Sterling went for 100 today. Kirk is not better than him. And even at his advanced age Olsen is rolling this year. And I’ve noticed that you’ve shifted from David Johnson is third best (where he’s not close) to he’s better than Fournette. Lol. And our oline has miles to go before they can be considered average.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Which is why I absolutely trashed the "KM is God" posters. This board set up a boatload of unfair expectations for the kid, and that's making it look a hell of a lot worse. Not that it looks good.

Nah it looks like what it is, at least to me. An up and down rookie showing flashes but also needing to learn, while being coached by a rookie head coach, on a team that was dead last the previous year with an atrocious defense and unproven receiving corps and poor rushing attack and offensive line. This is exactly what it looks like to me. Except, maybe a little better than I would expect with all those facts.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sooo... Kyle Allen should have been a first round pick because he beat Murray today? Shouldn't we believe in context? As they say in the markets.... One day doesn't make a trend. One day doesn't make a career.

or...Kyler Murray should NOT have been a first round pick...I mean, if he can't carry a team why take him #1?

 

[Chopper0080]

You might want to check Brees's game logs from his first 3 games in the NFL. Kyler is doing much better. But you clowns don't seem to understand that rookies don't dominate in their first season no matter how good they are.

You really just called me a clown? How come you can't make an argument without taking a personal shot? Brees was the 31st pick in the draft...not the #1 overall. Different expectations come with that whether you like it or not. Why don't you restart your Kyler Murray victory laps when he actually wins a game.

 

[cardpa]

Kyler seemed both mentally and physically worn down by the end of the game. Staring at the rush, inaccurate throws, etc.

I also think the fact Kyle Allen was dominating bothered him as well. Anyone but that guy. Now that kid will be the talk of the NFL (funny how Cardinals defenses allow that to happen)

Kyler's gotta get a better sense of when to leave the pocket. He has to accept that he's going to be hit in the pocket. Just gotta try to make the throw downfield anyway.

We were a couple of drops from putting up 30, but that still wouldn't have been enough. We looked like a Big 12 defense out there.

Kliff has got to figure out the adjustments and how to make defenses mess up their responsibilties. His answer to everything is simply more tempo. Some coaches set things up early in the game so they can make a defense pay later. Right now....ours is just more tempo.


Keim's 2nd and 4th round picks not being factors on the field are killers. Crabtree on the field makes us slower.

I think the more disappointing thing is....guys like Daniel Jones, Minshew, and even Kyle Allen are all young and having success in regular NFL systems.

We don't even know just how well ours will truly work. Doesn't help when you don't have the right players for the system.

I got the impression he's afraid of getting hit after watching the game. Maybe KK tells him to go down, who the hell knows for sure.

 

[Vacard]

Trying to compare Murray to Brees, after today, does not make anyone take you seriously.

After your run of garbage posts that has NO rationalization behind them??

Thinking Kyler Murray will play big instead of playing small when things go south.

Stuff like this puts you in the realm of a troll

 

[Chopper0080]

Sterling went for 100 today. Kirk is not better than him. And even at his advanced age Olsen is rolling this year. And I’ve noticed that you’ve shifted from David Johnson is third best (where he’s not close) to he’s better than Fournette. Lol. And our oline has miles to go before they can be considered average.

McCaffery, Barkley, David Johnson, Leonard Fournette...that is third best of that group? No shift needed.

 

[SoonerLou]

WRs on every team drop big plays. RBs fumble. Olines are bad. You take guys #1 and they are expected to rise above and overcome those issues. If they can't, they are just a guy and you wasted your #1 pick.

To be fair Carolina came in with one of the best pass defenses in the league.

Even the Rams didn't crack 200 yards passing. However, McVay adjusted and they ran the ball a lot.
We are reliant on the Kirk play that was a drop, its reliant to hit the Sherfield play for a TD.

When those plays aren't made it makes it hard for the offense. Because the offense is counting on the defense making mistakes and capitalizing on it. In the NFL there are going to be fewer mistakes so it makes it tough to blow those. Its a rhythmic offense thats supposed to dink and dunk unti mistakes are made for big plays.

I had issues earlier in the game (we debated the redzone play we settled for 3). Give DJ two straight carries. Move forward and get it to 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 4.

Kyler actually played great....until the Sherfield drop and then he played terrible. He would have been sitting with almost 240 yards and 3 tds if not for a couple of drops at that time.

The McCaffrey TD broke us. Kyler started pressing and thats all she wrote.


Other young guys are playing better. However, putting everything on Kyler is going to do one of two things.

Either its going to kill his confidence or he's going to be built to carry an offense unlike other young QBs.

I haven't seen this much put on a rookie QB since Andrew Luck. It paid off for Luck down the road/later in the season.

We'll see how it goes for Kyler if he can handle it.

 

[Chopper0080]

After your run of garbage posts that has NO rationalization behind them??



Stuff like this puts you in the realm of a troll

I'm sorry...you go ahead and compare 0 win Kyler Murray to other Hall of Fame QBs while your at it. Compare him to Brady. How about Joe Montana? You are correct. I am the one being silly here.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

McCaffery, Barkley, David Johnson, Leonard Fournette...that is third best of that group? No shift needed.

Saquon



Mccaffrey





































David Johnson


Leonard Fournette

(Maybe the visual will help)

 

[Vacard]

I'm sorry...you go ahead and compare 0 win Kyler Murray to other Hall of Fame QBs while your at it. Compare him to Brady. How about Joe Montana? You are correct. I am the one being silly here.

When was the last time a rookie qb, even number one overall, was told to start day one and won games like a 10 year vet and took his team to the playoffs as a rookie, Ill wait.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm sorry...you go ahead and compare 0 win Kyler Murray to other Hall of Fame QBs while your at it. Compare him to Brady. How about Joe Montana? You are correct. I am the one being silly here.

Uh isn’t that what you’re claiming he should be compared to? Maybe I’m missing the point of all of your posts. Aren’t you arguing he should’ve come out and won all three of his starts because that’s what greats that are picked #1 overall are expected to do?

 

[Russ Smith]

Russell Wilson threw 50 passes today in a loss. He's played 115 NFL games and today was the first time in his career he threw at least 50 passes. Kyler did it in his first NFL game and the fewest passes he's thrown in an NFL game is 40. Wilson didn't throw 40 in an NFL game until his 4th season, he's done it NINE times in his entire NFL career. 9/115 compared to 3/3 for Kyler.

The offense Kyler is running is putting much more pressure on him as a rookie because we're throwing so much. I know that we drafted him to run this offense and hired the coach to run this offense but the point is what we're doing with Murray is unusual even in todays NFL where young QB's often play early in their careers.

He wasn't good from about mid 3rd quarter on, basically from Sherfield's drop on.

he still showed progress today, he was far less reluctant to run and moved the chains. the TD pass today appeared to be completely improvised because the called play wasn't there.

The negatives, the 2 picks and the running into sacks instead of stepping up. Mixed bag.

 

[DVontel]

Chopper wasn’t a Kyler fan before the draft. Same with TJ.

They’re going to critique every little thing about him even if some things are out of his control.

I understand.

He has to prove them wrong.


It’s that’s simple.

 

[dscher]

or...Kyler Murray should NOT have been a first round pick...I mean, if he can't carry a team why take him #1?

You expect WAY too much man...let's ask every rookie first round qb that question. No one said he'd be the savior... Wait, is this still a Rosen thing for you?