Free agency thread 2022

[DaHilg]

Taking their salary into consideration, I will definitely take Hill over Hop. But I do believe Hop fits better for Kyler with his 50--50 ball ability. Kyler doesn't yet have the vision and lead-the-receivers-with-the-pass skill to fully utilize Hill.

Not much vision you need with the separation Hill gets. There has never been a more explosive WR in history period. Guys that could do it occasionally in his fashion but not consistently.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

A thought occurred to me.

I keep seeing "We can't rely on draft picks. Keim sucks in the draft. We need to sign some good FA's". But tell me this.

How many of Keim's big ticket FA's have paid off?

Hicks was bad for a year, ok for a year then reasonable for a year. Pugh has been above average and consistent. Veldheer was decent.

Jordan Philips sucked. Kennard has sucked. Campbell was average. Swearinger sucked. Alford sucked on his original deal. Sam Bradford really sucked. Jermaine Gresham sucked. Iupati was ok when healthy but was injured a lot. Phil Dawson sucked. Suggs sucked.

His expensive signings have more often than not unperformed their deals. If anything he has a worse record in this area than the draft and it costs us a lot more money.

Where he has excelled in FA is finding good value in the cheaper guys. The famous "Keim time" FA's but also guys like Corey Peters, Frostee Rucker, Antoine Bethea, James Conner etc

Maybe he's finally learned his lesson.

His strengths are trades and finding value in FA. Not signing FA's from the top of the list.

So he sucks at drafting, and major free agency signings. That's 2 of the major responsibilities of his freaking job. If his strengths are trades and finding value in FA, HE SHOULDN'T BE GM!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Enables the fins to go all defense in the draft too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Taking their salary into consideration, I will definitely take Hill over Hop. But I do believe Hop fits better for Kyler with his 50--50 ball ability. Kyler doesn't yet have the vision and lead-the-receivers-with-the-pass skill to fully utilize Hill.

Hmm hill gets crazy separation which kyler thrives on.

 

[BritCard]

So he sucks at drafting, and major free agency signings. That's 2 of the major responsibilities of his freaking job. If his strengths are trades and finding value in FA, HE SHOULDN'T BE GM!

Well he is, and will be for at least a few years yet.

As its evident big FA deals rarely work maybe we can stop complaining we haven't made any?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Malcom Butler back to Patriots...2 years / $9 million. He'll finally find out why he was benched in that Super Bowl.

 

[unseenaz]

Malcom Butler back to Patriots...2 years / $9 million. He'll finally find out why he was benched in that Super Bowl.

how is it even possible for him to get 2yr/9mil after retiring before last season? we signed him for 1 year at 3 mil if I recall

 

[RON_IN_OC]

how is it even possible for him to get 2yr/9mil after retiring before last season? we signed him for 1 year at 3 mil if I recall

Maybe Brady gave him the goods on BB.

 

[Stout]

how is it even possible for him to get 2yr/9mil after retiring before last season? we signed him for 1 year at 3 mil if I recall

We cut him.

 

[unseenaz]

We cut him.

I'm talking value wise

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Hmm hill gets crazy separation which kyler thrives on.

Yep. This is why I like the Budda for Tyreek trade.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Gresham was good for a couple one-year deals and then Keim signed him to a long-term deal that was wildly overpriced.

Chopper has said this multiple times, but you want to sign FAs who will outperform their contracts. IMO, despite the strum and drang on here, A.J. Green probably outperformed his deal. J.J. Watt is definitely underperforming the investment we made on him.

This leads me back to re-signing AJ Green. He was still better than expected and not saying he's what he used to be by any stretch of the imagination, but in increments he recalls his former glory and is a hell of a lot better than other options or a third round WR still learning the ropes. He's solid insurance which will not break the bank and does not stop us from still fortifying the position. My only deterrent is that I have a feeling that AJ does not care too much for Kyler, but that's a Kyler problem which the kid needs to address and not Green, which is the definition of being a pro. I highly doubt all the members of world class symphony like each other, but they see past that and do their job

 

[daves]

Yep. This is why I like the Budda for Tyreek trade.

Made sense, but considering that Hill fetched a 1st, 2nd, two 4ths, and a 6th, Budda probably wasn't gonna get it done.

Not to mention, having two WRs making over $25M/year wasn't really tenable.

...dave

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yep. This is why I like the Budda for Tyreek trade.

I would not go after a guy like Tyreek because as Ouchie says Kyler thrives on crazy separation. Thrive for that result is not the right perspective, more like a Kyler problem who's still stuck in a mindset that he's playing in the Big XII where obvious separation is common place. Kyler needs to become a NFL QB and throw guys open (which he has actually done on occasion) because crazy separation in not a luxury a team should have to pay for that allows their QB to be successful

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would not go after a guy like Tyreek because as Ouchie says Kyler thrives on crazy separation. Thrive for that result is not the right perspective, more like a Kyler problem who's still stuck in a mindset that he's playing in the Big XII where obvious separation is common place. Kyler needs to become a NFL QB and throw guys open (which he has actually done on occasion) because crazy separation in not a luxury a team should have to pay for that allows their QB to be successful

Um? Tyreek gets more separation than arguably any receiver ever. If that is Kyler's strength, why WOULDN'T you want to go after him? We'd rather force another receiver that doesn't fit our needs? Haven't we done that enough recently?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Made sense, but considering that Hill fetched a 1st, 2nd, two 4ths, and a 6th, Budda probably wasn't gonna get it done.

Not to mention, having two WRs making over $25M/year wasn't really tenable.

...dave

It probably will cost more than Budda alone, but he would be the main cog in the deal for sure.

 

[Shane]

Um? Tyreek gets more separation than arguably any receiver ever. If that is Kyler's strength, why WOULDN'T you want to go after him? We'd rather force another receiver that doesn't fit our needs? Haven't we done that enough recently?

How is this Kylers strength? Can someone please explain? He all to often had WRS running wide open down the field only to not even look their way and throw to a guy completely covered. Instead opting for the the much tougher lower % throw. It was literally pointed out all season. By folks on NFL network, posters here breaking down film, in game threads etc…. Often he had guys running free and just never saw them or didn’t care. I’m betting he didn’t see them? So how is this his strength? Short Kyler won’t even see Short Hill running free a majority of the time.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How is this Kylers strength? Can someone please explain? He all to often had WRS running wide open down the field only to not even look their way and throw to a guy completely covered. Instead opting for the the much tougher lower % throw. It was literally pointed out all season. By folks on NFL network, posters here breaking down film, in game threads etc…. Often he had guys running free and just never saw them or didn’t care. I’m betting he didn’t see them? So how is this his strength? Short Kyler won’t even see Short Hill running free a majority of the time.

It has been discussed several times in this thread. Lots of us believe that having a WR that gets uber separation would be only but beneficial.

 

[Chopper0080]

This leads me back to re-signing AJ Green. He was still better than expected and not saying he's what he used to be by any stretch of the imagination, but in increments he recalls his former glory and is a hell of a lot better than other options or a third round WR still learning the ropes. He's solid insurance which will not break the bank and does not stop us from still fortifying the position. My only deterrent is that I have a feeling that AJ does not care too much for Kyler, but that's a Kyler problem which the kid needs to address and not Green, which is the definition of being a pro. I highly doubt all the members of world class symphony like each other, but they see past that and do their job

The real question is how much is he willing to sign for? I don't believe we would be able to re-sign him for the same contract as last year.

 

[unseenaz]

Um? Tyreek gets more separation than arguably any receiver ever. If that is Kyler's strength, why WOULDN'T you want to go after him? We'd rather force another receiver that doesn't fit our needs? Haven't we done that enough recently?

Idk how I’d feel about paying him 30 mil per

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The real question is how much is he willing to sign for? I don't believe we would be able to re-sign him for the same contract as last year.

Nor should he get that much IMO. I disagree that he overachieved his 8M price tag as some suggest here. I'd value his contribution somewhere in the 6M range.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Idk how I’d feel about paying him 30 mil per

Neither do I, honestly. I'd love to see how it would work though if it could.

D-Hop, Tyreek, Ertz, and Moore would be absolutely dynamic.

 

[Cheesewater]

Bobby Wagner is visiting the Rams and there's mutual interest in a deal

Bobby Wagner is visiting the Rams and there’s mutual interest in a deal

theramswire.usatoday.com

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[Chopper0080]

Nor should he get that much IMO. I disagree that he overachieved his 8M price tag as some suggest here. I'd value his contribution somewhere in the 6M range.

Bucs just signed Russell Gage for 3yrs 30 mil and he had 70 less yards receiving last year.

 

[Chopper0080]

Byron Pringe got 1 year for 6 and he was almost 200 yards less than Green.