From Pro Football Weekly: Green privately admits that JJ Arrington is a bigtime bust.

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I've always found Pro Football Weekly to be fairly accurate in their reporting, so this may have some truth. According to Dan Arkush ,who claims to really like Dennis Green as a coach and evaluator of talent, Green has admitted to scouts that JJ Arrington is a bigtime bust.

Let the Reggie Bush chant begin. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie, Reggie.............
 

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Who knows if JJ is a bust or not, but I seriously doubt DG told this guy that he was.
 

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Holian said:
I've always found Pro Football Weekly to be fairly accurate in their reporting, so this may have some truth. According to Dan Arkush ,who claims to really like Dennis Green as a coach and evaluator of talent, Green has admitted to scouts that JJ Arrington is a bigtime bust.

Let the Reggie Bush chant begin. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie, Reggie.............

Doubt it...
 

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Doubt it. Both J.J. and Marcel have had pretty bad seasons so far.

Shipp: 58 attempts, 169 yards, 2.9 average.

Arrington: 24 attempts, 41 yards, 1.7 average.
 

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is it just in the magazine/paper, I don't see it on their site.


I did find a few weeks ago where they said the Bennett rumors were not true that the Cards still believed the problem was the OL not the RB's but they were going to reconsider that after seeing the SF and Carolina games and then Bennett may be a target if the RB's didn't show improvement.

I agree PFW has always been pretty reliable.
 

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JeffGollin said:
I've always found Pro Football Weekly to be fairly accurate in their reporting
LOL

Jeff are you thinking of Pro Football Talk?
 

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No coach would label a rookie a bust after 5 games. Green may not be happy with JJ's performance, practices, etc. But I doubt he'd stick him in the bust catagory.

What abut all of the rave reviews we were getting from defensive players this offseason when they practiced against him? This just seems to wishywashy.
 

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The so called super class of RB's in '05 haven't lived up to expectations as of yet.......JJ's numbers are on par with Brown's and Benson's. Cadillac has preformed OK.

Far too early to label him a bust and I doubt that Green said anything at all to anyone about his feelings.......his style is not to comment on a player in the public press.

This is bogus.
 

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I could care less whether Green said that or not. Arrington is a bust though. I absolutely dread seeing that kid get the ball again. Horrible.
 

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JJ has had the ball all of 24 carries in the early poart of the season with no FB and an offensive line that just started playing together. Now I don't know if he will be a bust or not from 24 carries after running 2000 yards in a top college program. What I do know is that GReen would never have said that out loud to anyone even if that was his thinking. Green doesn't say one thing to the press about things that belong between him and his players. I'd bet my life savings on it and the way the market is lately I may not have any savings left!

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FWIW I emailed arkush and got the following reply.

"Russell:

I wrote that in my back-page "slant" article in PFW's print edition. My sources are solid.

d.a."

I said this when PFT essentially wrote the same thing, I can believe Green would say that for one reason, to light a fire under JJ's butt. There's not any practical advantage to saying it if you believe it, just makes it harder to trade the guy if you wanted to later. But if you believe he has talent but is underperforming, spreading stuff like that may fire him up. And if he plays better, you just deny you said it.
 
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Thanks for confirming that Russ

Russ,

Thanks for checking on the source. I've always been a big fan of PFW and have always believed their draft analysis (the late great Joel Bushbaum) was the very best draft evaluator of talent.

I hope JJ turns it around. I really liked the kid at Cal.
 

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Russ Smith said:
FWIW I emailed arkush and got the following reply.

"Russell:

I wrote that in my back-page "slant" article in PFW's print edition. My sources are solid.

d.a."

I said this when PFT essentially wrote the same thing, I can believe Green would say that for one reason, to light a fire under JJ's butt. There's not any practical advantage to saying it if you believe it, just makes it harder to trade the guy if you wanted to later. But if you believe he has talent but is underperforming, spreading stuff like that may fire him up. And if he plays better, you just deny you said it.

no way you put something like that in the media just to fire a guy up. No WAY! When has that ever worked? :D

Green may have said something to an assistant coach but I doubt it. Its too early to call JJ or any other 05' pick a bust.
 

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Cadillac has preformed OK.

That's hilarious. Cadillac ran for more yards in his first three games than anyone in history behind a below average O-line. Yeah, I guess that would be considered "OK".

Sure, he got hurt and has missed the last two games, but it sure looks like Cadillac will be a star.
 

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Holian said:
Russ,

Thanks for checking on the source. I've always been a big fan of PFW and have always believed their draft analysis (the late great Joel Bushbaum) was the very best draft evaluator of talent.

I hope JJ turns it around. I really liked the kid at Cal.

Yes Buchsbaum was top notch.

Regarding JJ, read the scouting report on him from the senior bowl, I'd say they pretty much agree with what I thought.
J.J. Arrington attended the College of the Canyons in Santa Clarita before transferring to California in 2003. Arrington had some fumbling issues early in his career at Cal but he got over those as a senior in 2004, when he rushed for 1,845 yards and 14 touchdowns on 264 carries.
Arrington lacks ideal size but he's a burner in the open field and he has good versatility because of his solid receiving skills. Arrington needs to prove to scouts at the Senior Bowl this week that he's tough and strong enough to hold up as a load-carrier and a blocker in the NFL.











Speed

4.42 in the 40-yard dash. Shows a second gear in open field.





Intelligence

No problem in classroom. Picked up scheme quickly at Cal.





Toughness

Runs hard and is a tough back for his size.





Strength/Flex

Flexible athlete but lacks bulk, strength and power.





Durability

Never had a major injury in junior college or at Cal.





Character

No character or academic issues to our knowledge.





Production

Rushed for 1,845 yards and 14 TDs on 264 carries in 2004.









RB SPECIFICS


Hands B Had a couple of drops late in week but overall receiving performance was impressive.

Run Instincts B Will dance a bit too much on occasion, but shows good vision when holes do open up.

Inside Runner C+ Has good vision and burst but lacks ideal size and power to push the pile.

Outside Runner A- Speed to turn the corner. Huge threat when he hits daylight because of his second gear.

Elusiveness B Not a lot of big moves in space. Shifty back uses initial burst off of cut to ruin pursuit angles.

Power Runner D+ Runs hard but lacks the size and strength to run over defenders or to push the pile.

Block Run/Pass C- Aware, technically sound and willing. But gets run over by bigger blitzing LBs.

Willingness to Block B Is a tough back that will throw his body around and isn't afraid to cut bigger defenders.

Durability B Lack of size a concern but has never had major injury. Not a lot of mileage on his legs.

Fumble A- Was never a problem in college and it wasn't an issue here this week.








PRACTICE NOTES



Monday (1/24/05): Arrington is one of the fastest backs here and it shows. He has a true second-gear when he bounces runs to the outside and hits daylight. He shows good burst to and through the line of scrimmage and he has the top-end speed to run away from defenders. The problem is that Arrington lacks size and elusiveness. He is great on a straight-line and he does a decent job on cutbacks, but he's not nearly as explosive laterally as he is when running north-south. He is a shorter, somewhat squatty back with a good center of gravity but he's not a load-carrying type of RB that will wear an opponent down with 25-plus carries in a game. If put in a system like the one Denver uses with a lot of stretch plays off of zone-blocking schemes, Arrington has a chance to emerge as an impact starter in the NFL. Otherwise, he may never be more than a change of pace back that will have to earn his paycheck on passing downs and on special teams.

Tuesday (1/25/05): Arrington had a good day of practice on Tuesday. We still have yet to see him in full-out pass protection drills, which will play a big role in our overall grade. However, he has shown great fluidity and a strong feel as a route runner and above average hands as a receiver out of the backfield. He is running with great burst and showed better lateral movement and COD skills during the "team session" this morning. Arrington is a tough runner with a good center of gravity and a second level burst if he hits green pasture. If he can continue to run as well as he did today throughout the rest of the week of practice and in Saturday's game, our grade on him will definitely go up.

Wednesday (1/26/05): Arrington is a tough and shifty little back. He won't run over many defenders, but he does get out of a lot of potential tackles with his quick movements and fluid hips. He runs hard and shows a second gear that some of the backs here don't possess. Arrington caught the ball extremely well in today's practice. He looks natural as a route runner, has an adequate feel for his route assignments and shows the ability to "pluck" on the run. He doesn't have great size at the point of attack as a pass blocker, which shows up sometimes against bigger blitzing linebackers. However, he does show good awareness and toughness in pass protection drills, which gives him a chance to compete in that facet at the NFL level.

Thursday (1/27/05): Didn't have his best day. Dropped two passes that we saw, one of which would have gone for a touchdown during a team drill. It seems that he's comfortable as a route runner and natural in terms of tracking down the ball but his hands can be inconsistent -- might be a focus issue.











SUMMARY



He was overshadowed by other backs like Carnell Williams and Darren Sproles, but Arrington put in a strong performance of his own at this year's Senior Bowl. Arrington doesn't have great size and he's never going to be a powerful runner. He's on the shorter side and has some trouble matching up as a pass blocker. However, despite limited experience as a premier collegiate running back, Arrington showed very good instincts and consistency during practice this week. He has the lateral quickness, change of direction skills and acceleration that most other backs in this draft class don't possess. He also had a good week catching the football, which should help him get on the field earlier in his NFL career and will give him more opportunities to showcase his talent. Arrington protects the football, runs hard, knows his assignments and is a home run threat when you get him the ball in space. Despite his physical limitation, Arrington has enough versatility and upside to take a chance on late on Day 1.











FINAL GRADE



B
 

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clif said:
Who knows if JJ is a bust or not, but I seriously doubt DG told this guy that he was.

A couple of martinis and DG will spill his guts.
 

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I think the running instincts comment is interesting... what happens with a guy with average run instaincts wh occassionally dance to much behind a bad run-blocking line? Well, you probably get JJ's performance after the first 5 games.
 

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Another running back drafted by the Cardinals is a bust. Now how many times has that happened? The last time I recall the Cardinals drafting a running back that was not a bust was Stump Mitchell. So why is it no other NFL team has such trouble drafting running backs? Is it possible the problem is something other than RB? Like an organizational and revenue problem. How many RBs leave this team and are successful elsewhere?
 

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I think the running instincts comment is interesting... what happens with a guy with average run instaincts wh occassionally dance to much behind a bad run-blocking line? Well, you probably get JJ's performance after the first 5 games.

The things not in there that I think are relevant and have mentioned before.

At Cal JJ almost always ran from a deeper set, typically 2 yards deeper than the Cards current typically set the RB. Cal used FB's sometimes but not always, wasn't at all unusual to have JJ as the lone back, the FB Manderino is a good blocker but it's not like running without a FB is new to JJ. What's new is he's lining up closer to the LOS so he has less time to get up to speed, and read the blocking.

At Cal they ran a lot more like Denver, or even the Colts or Vikings, they spread you out and run stretch plays where you make one cut and go, you don't run sweeps you may move laterally but the goal is always to cut upfield and run north south.

We are not doing that, is that because it's not the scheme, or because JJ just isn't doing it, I don't honestly know, but that's how he ran at Cal.
 

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Russ Smith said:
The things not in there that I think are relevant and have mentioned before.

At Cal JJ almost always ran from a deeper set, typically 2 yards deeper than the Cards current typically set the RB. Cal used FB's sometimes but not always, wasn't at all unusual to have JJ as the lone back, the FB Manderino is a good blocker but it's not like running without a FB is new to JJ. What's new is he's lining up closer to the LOS so he has less time to get up to speed, and read the blocking.

At Cal they ran a lot more like Denver, or even the Colts or Vikings, they spread you out and run stretch plays where you make one cut and go, you don't run sweeps you may move laterally but the goal is always to cut upfield and run north south.

We are not doing that, is that because it's not the scheme, or because JJ just isn't doing it, I don't honestly know, but that's how he ran at Cal.

Draft players that fit your scheme or you end up thinking Derwin Walker is a bust and cutting him.... :D
 

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Green doesn't

normally speak to the media about an individualcplayer. If he does, it's in a positive manner. Though, he will say that a particular facet of our game waasn't ther.
I'm selling on this one. They've got the blocking bruiser to aid and abbet JJ, which it seems he needs, so as not to have to think or react, TOO late.
It's way to early to call any of our guys a "bust".
Arrington desrves some love and support. The O line is not conducive to ANY RB's style, let alone a shift gear, juking. RB like JJ.
Patience guys patience.
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Btw

Shipp will benefit, in monsterous proportions, also.
A kick butt bloking FB ruinning in front of a bruiser RB?
This could be the best move the Cards made all year.
This week is a good test. Our O line will have it's hands full, WITH their pass rush protection. Then opening holes for their RB's.
The Cards have not done adly in keeping the D fresh the last two weeks,
this could be tremendous for us.
 

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