Gambo : Bledsoe shut down for year

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That's just ridiculous. Booker is 20 years old and is still improving. Also these young guys are building chemistry. There would be little to no benefit in completely benching Booker...

Players get hurt and are out a month....Does that destroy chemistry forever? Does this last month mean so much to his development? Or better yet..Is a month of his development worth potentially dropping a couple spots in the draft? I don't see much to gain in playing him the last month but I see a lot to lose.
 

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Players get hurt and are out a month....Does that destroy chemistry forever? Does this last month mean so much to his development? Or better yet..Is a month of his development worth potentially dropping a couple spots in the draft? I don't see much to gain in playing him the last month but I see a lot to lose.
And if he were injured I would be all for it, but as far as we know he isn't. It would be absolutely pointless to bench him right now because he is part of the youth movement that the Suns are in right now. Benching a player that is part of the youth movement is completely counter-intuitive to the movement to begin with.
 

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No. This has zero basis in fact. No one was talking about taking Armon Gilliam over The Admiral. NO ONE.

**** me. Imagine even those pre-Barkley Suns with young D-Rob... His rookie year in 1990 he was already dominating. There's no way to know for sure if they would've still signed Chambers but that backcourt with The Admiral my God.
 

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**** me. Imagine even those pre-Barkley Suns with young D-Rob... His rookie year in 1990 he was already dominating. There's no way to know for sure if they would've still signed Chambers but that backcourt with The Admiral my God.

I feel like we still would have taken Chambers. The Suns were Colangelo's great love.

Man:

KJ
Horny
Corbin
Chambers
Robinson

with EJ, Majerle and either Big Daddy or Lang Bang off the bench? That team would have been ferocious.
 

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WHAT? Chances are we don't take the absolute, sure fire dominant C that the franchise has longed for for DECADES? Steve, you've make a lot of comments lately that seem to be a little screwy to me, but the above is slin-Magic's-not-a-PG-esque.

Robinson was absolutely the sure fire number one pick for ANYONE, regardless of him having to sit for a year. Where are you even coming up with any scenario that we wouldn't have taken The Admiral?

You've come at me like that 3 times now. Once, you misunderstood and hammered me for something that wasn't my point. The other time, you went high and mighty when I claimed that without Knight we were capable of playing close to .500 ball over the final 24 games. AFAIC, I've been proven right on that one or there's at least evidence to support my prediction. And now, David Robinson. So I'll ask again, on the Robinson front, why are the 3 of you so positive I'm wrong?

I've never had any inside ties to the Suns and by the time of the draft I had already moved to La Habra so I wasn't even getting much local news other than the Sunday edition of the Arizona Republic that my mom sent me regularly. And it was pre-internet for 99.999999% of the world and the NBA was small time when it came to coverage and the draft was almost ignored.

At the time, he was still locked up for 5 years of Naval service which was eventually reduced to 2 (after the draft). Keep in mind, Stern, just prior to the draft, when he ruled that Robinson would be available for selection, also said that if he wasn't signed by the time he finished his Navy duty he would become a Free Agent. And Gilliam was a stud, he wasn't some cheap booby prize.

I don't know what the Suns were thinking specifically. But I remember many a conversation with other basketball fans about whether a team would take the risk and draft Robinson. So why are you guys so positive we would have drafted a player that was a huge risk to ever actually play for us? What am I missing?
 

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I took him literally, perhaps I shouldn't have. I really thought he was making a point about the lottery.

Maybe I misunderstood what was happening at the time but I really thought there was serious concerns that Robinson might never play in the NBA. David owed the Navy 5 years and he had publicly stated that he had every intention of honoring that commitment. Eventually, the Navy decided he only had to serve 2 years but I clearly remember conversation about whether any team would take that gamble.

I remember it the same way. I can't say I really remember five years being a question but, in fact, five years was the normal commitment for academy graduates, so it would have been on the GM's minds. Quite a few people were surprised SA picked him because of the delay. If the Suns stated their position on whether they'd draft him if SA passed on him, I don't recall it. I know I thought it was a gutsy call for SA.
 

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Players get hurt and are out a month....Does that destroy chemistry forever? Does this last month mean so much to his development? Or better yet..Is a month of his development worth potentially dropping a couple spots in the draft? I don't see much to gain in playing him the last month but I see a lot to lose.

Benching Booker is superfluous. He needs playing time, he needs to grow and this team isn't going to win with him as the only true starting caliber player on the court. We just got smeared by the Kings in our own building. For people to still think we're not tanking hard enough is freaking joke. We've got a shot at beating Orlando and after that I wouldn't be shocked if we lose every single game the rest of the year.
 

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Benching Booker is superfluous. He needs playing time, he needs to grow and this team isn't going to win with him as the only true starting caliber player on the court. We just got smeared by the Kings in our own building. For people to still think we're not tanking hard enough is freaking joke. We've got a shot at beating Orlando and after that I wouldn't be shocked if we lose every single game the rest of the year.

Can a team tank too much? With only a month left I don't think so. We have Booker under contract for years...One month off wouldn't hamper his growth. Besides, he's our number one obstacle right now to a optimal tank... Bledsoe was number one and now it's him. You don't endure a long lousy season to blow the draft at the end with careless stupidity.
 

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I'm just throwing the hypothetical "bench Booker" idea. Not saying it can happen or will happen. But it should be considered. I mean Bledsoe was just benched for the rest of the season...Did he really have a season ending injury?? If Bled gets benched then anyone can be. The only difference is Bledsoe's cover story is a good one while Devin has none... yet. I'd say limit Bookers minutes but I feel Watson can't be trusted with that.

What is to stop a general manager from benching a player out of the blue?
 

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I'm just throwing the hypothetical "bench Booker" idea. Not saying it can happen or will happen. But it should be considered. I mean Bledsoe was just benched for the rest of the season...Did he really have a season ending injury?? If Bled gets benched then anyone can be. The only difference is Bledsoe's cover story is a good one while Devin has none... yet. I'd say limit Bookers minutes but I feel Watson can't be trusted with that.

What is to stop a general manager from benching a player out of the blue?
And I'm saying it shouldn't even be considered. There is no comparison between the situation that Booker and Bledsoe are in. Booker is a young player that is still developing and Bledsoe is a vet with a history of knee issues (who also was experiencing knee pain). Bledsoe also does more to lead to wins than Booker at this point in their respective careers. Benching Booker would do nothing for his development and also wouldn't lead to much of a difference in the win/loss column.
 

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I tried googling for the comment Jerry made about Hopson being his first choice but I couldn't find anything except for some draft day comments that he was being considered along with a few others. Not conclusive in any way but I did find this quote.

Look at it this way,' Colangelo said, 'if David Robinson is out of the league for the next two years, our guy is conceivably going to be the most talked about rookie in the league.
 

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I thought for sure you'd be the one to remember all the talk about Dennis Hopson.

I cannot remember anyone considering anyone else but David Robinson as the #1 pick. I thought it quite remarkable given that he had a Navy commitment following college.

Gilliam was highly regarded though. He was thought to be a good #2 but clearly #2. Gilliam was a stat machine. But he used to stack them up during garbage minutes and he played horrible defense. We ended up trading him for the carcass of Kurt Rambis and team play improved. Okafor and Drummond remind me alot of Gilliam.
 

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I cannot remember anyone considering anyone else but David Robinson as the #1 pick. I thought it quite remarkable given that he had a Navy commitment following college.

Gilliam was highly regarded though. He was thought to be a good #2 but clearly #2. Gilliam was a stat machine. But he used to stack them up during garbage minutes and he played horrible defense. We ended up trading him for the carcass of Kurt Rambis and team play improved. Okafor and Drummond remind me alot of Gilliam.

There's no doubt that Robinson was considered the best player in college. Until late in the season, Gilliam wasn't even all that highly regarded. Back then there was still a huge stigma attached to JUCO players, it wasn't until his strong run to close out his UNLV career that he even entered the picture. And like I said, Colangelo was rumored to prefer Hopson all the way up until the draft itself. He raved about Gilliam after the fact but that means very little. Anyway, none of us know who we would have selected, that was never my point. I just remember it as far more of a question than most everyone else here does. Not because of talent, just because of risk and availability.

Even for those that don't remember, it should be easy to understand why if you follow the timeline and the logic. Imagine today if the NBA said you could draft Fultz but he won't be available for two full seasons. And, if he chooses, he can re-enter the draft when he does become available. Keep in mind, agents pretty much ran the league back then and rookies weren't capped. If he didn't like your offer, you've just wasted your number one pick. I don't understand why people think it's such a stretch that there was a hot debate over who should be selected first.
 

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There's no doubt that Robinson was considered the best player in college. Until late in the season, Gilliam wasn't even all that highly regarded. Back then there was still a huge stigma attached to JUCO players, it wasn't until his strong run to close out his UNLV career that he even entered the picture. And like I said, Colangelo was rumored to prefer Hopson all the way up until the draft itself. He raved about Gilliam after the fact but that means very little. Anyway, none of us know who we would have selected, that was never my point. I just remember it as far more of a question than most everyone else here does. Not because of talent, just because of risk and availability.

Even for those that don't remember, it should be easy to understand why if you follow the timeline and the logic. Imagine today if the NBA said you could draft Fultz but he won't be available for two full seasons. And, if he chooses, he can re-enter the draft when he does become available. Keep in mind, agents pretty much ran the league back then and rookies weren't capped. If he didn't like your offer, you've just wasted your number one pick. I don't understand why people think it's such a stretch that there was a hot debate over who should be selected first.

I can't believe you're still arguing this. You're literally making up fake sports news because there was NO debate at the time. Robinson wasn't just looked at as a possible number 1 pick. He was looked at as a true FRANCHISE CENTER. A generational player. Something that none of these guys this year are.
 

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I can't believe you're still arguing this. You're literally making up fake sports news because there was NO debate at the time. Robinson wasn't just looked at as a possible number 1 pick. He was looked at as a true FRANCHISE CENTER. A generational player. Something that none of these guys this year are.

One of these days you'll realize you don't call another man a liar without having your facts straight.
 

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You all do realize that it was 30 years ago this year. Yes. 3-0.
 

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You all do realize that it was 30 years ago this year. Yes. 3-0.

And it still evokes emotion. Personally, I felt worse about losing losing the coin flip on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
 

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One of these days you'll realize you don't call another man a liar without having your facts straight.

says the guy who's making up a completely false past to validate an argument he never should have made?

Sorry... maybe the fake news thing was a bridge too far, but you're literally talking about something that never happened.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/18/sports/sports-of-the-times-the-robinson-plot-thickens.html

From The New York Times, the day after the draft lottery:

"In the N.B.A. lottery yesterday, the San Antonio Spurs drew the No. 1 choice in the June 22 draft. Their general manager, Bob Bass, quickly acknowledged that Robinson would be selected despite the two-year hitch that Robinson must serve following his Naval Academy graduation at Annapolis, Md., on Wednesday."

And...

"On draft day, the Phoenix Suns have the second choice. And when Jerry Colangelo, their general manager, was asked which players he was considering, the first name he mentioned was Dennis Hopson, the 6-5 Ohio State forward who now is expected to be a guard."
 

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