Game 1 - What we learned.

[DVontel]

Iupati has been bad since last year.

 

[NJCardFan]

What did we learn? That the bloom is off of this rose. This team has never recovered from the beating in Carolina. Palmer hasn't been the same since. It seems as though this left it's heart on the field after the GB playoff win. Ironically enough, the special teams have improved a tad.

 

[Snakester]

This loss is because the offense had no time on the field in preseason. Exactly the same as last year. This is all on Arians. How can the players play with no experience in the preseason. We are looking at a 500 season because Arians refused to play the starters in the preseason.

 

[nashman]

We learned battered Cards fans still overreact after one bad game. Detroit executed and we shot ourselves in the foot over and over, you tend to lose those games. Also we learned the Palmer hate is still strong with some forget all the years and QBs between him and Warner... geesh

 

[NJCardFan]

He's been done ever since tha meaningless SEA game that jacked his finger.

That happened against the Eagles not Seattle. I know because I was there. That was also the game where we lost HB in garbage time.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Not only him but veldheer looked slow and lost half the time on the right side.

I said the same thing during the preseason.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The coaching stinks.

Definitely part of the problem

 

[BullheadCardFan]

We learned that WE SUCK...

ANYLIZATION OVER....

That sums it up

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Bettcher is a front running D-Cord. He can't event adjust his ******* let alone his game plan.

He doesn't make adjustments when needed. The other teams OC always seems to be one step ahead of him. The D did play solid for the first 3 quarters and kept us in the game after the O was finding ways to give it away.

 

[Buckybird]

I actually thought bethel played fairly well.

The deep ball is still his kryptonite

I'm surprised it took that long for the Lions to attack him deep! I have a feeling it's going to start happening more regularly again until he proves he can defend it ugh

 

[Buckybird]

One of the most worrying things was when Palmer had time, he completely UNDERthrew his receivers on the out/curl routes. Saw this happen at least 2-3 times...

The timing between he & the WRs were off most of the day!!! IMO it's a direct correlation in reduced practice time on the field between he & the receivers

 

[Mitch]

The timing between he & the WRs were off most of the day!!! IMO it's a direct correlation in reduced practice time on the field between he & the receivers

Good point, Bucky, but I also think that CP plays at times like robot. It's like he's programmed to throw the ball to a certain spot and he leaves no margin for reading where the WR is. He is so freaking careless with the ball. Even worse when we are up 10-0. No excuses any more. Don't want to hear about being pressured or the WR or RB running the wrong route. It's happened too often to ignore. I hope BA gives Gabbert a chance to compete. Why not? Make it clear to Palmer that he cannot keep playing like this.

 

[AZfaninMN]

He doesn't make adjustments when needed. The other teams OC always seems to be one step ahead of him. The D did play solid for the first 3 quarters and kept us in the game after the O was finding ways to give it away.

Enough with the "he doesn't make adjustments" argument. Maybe we should point the finger at our players because I'm pretty sure the guy we extended was a non-factor all game vs Greg Robinson. We blitzed off and on and played excellent man coverage, yet we couldn't touch stafford. Another guy to blame is HB who got handled all game long vs golden Tate. Blame the players not the coaches. I think betch coached a good game, but our guys didn't execute.

 

[Mitch]

Enough with the "he doesn't make adjustments" argument. Maybe we should point the finger at our players because I'm pretty sure the guy we extended was a non-factor all game vs Greg Robinson. We blitzed off and on and played excellent man coverage, yet we couldn't touch stafford. Another guy to blame is HB who got handled all game long vs golden Tate. Blame the players not the coaches. I think betch coached a good game, but our guys didn't execute.

Bettch got the guys ready to stop the run. Check. But, from the 1st quarter on, it was apparent that Golden Tate was giving us the biggest problem. Honey Badger couldn't run with Tate. Did Bettch adjust? No. This is what concerns me about him. He is slow to adjust. It is a sign of inexperience...which is why his promotion to DC for a team supposedly vying for a Super Bowl was so mystifying. What this means is---this is mostly on BA&SK, not Bettch.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Another guy to blame is HB who got handled all game long vs golden Tate. Blame the players not the coaches. I think betch coached a good game, but our guys didn't execute.

I agree that players are to blame for most of the problem, but the coach has some responsibility to have them in the right place to make plays.

 

[AZfaninMN]

Bettch got the guys ready to stop the run. Check. But, from the 1st quarter on, it was apparent that Golden Tate was giving us the biggest problem. Honey Badger couldn't run with Tate. Did Bettch adjust? No. This is what concerns me about him. He is slow to adjust. It is a sign of inexperience...which is why his promotion to DC for a team supposedly vying for a Super Bowl was so mystifying. What this means is---this is mostly on BA&SK, not Bettch.

How do you want him to adjust? Move bethel inside? Who covers galloday? Move pp21 inside? Not his natural position and get beat outside by jones. Players have to execute. No excuse for it. HB claims to be the best out on the field and he was a no show today. Jones got paid and he didn't stay home on outside runs and couldn't sniff staffords jock vs a backup left tackle, if I'm not mistaken. Is that betch fault. No he put them in position where they succeed and they didn't. Simple as that

 

[AZfaninMN]

Additionally if you move Peterson inside, who plays outside against jones now? You gonna sub in Brandon Williams or tramon Williams. Want something to complain about that might be it

 

[Mitch]

Additionally if you move Peterson inside, who plays outside against jones now? You gonna sub in Brandon Williams or tramon Williams. Want something to complain about that might be it

You play Bethel on Jones and bracket him with the FS. It's not so hard.

 

[AZCrazy]

Why did we lose?

Aging QB
Poor OL play
Pedestrian WR's and TE's
DJ and pedestrian RB's, dependent on O Line.

Nothing special here.

 

[AZfaninMN]

You play Bethel on Jones and bracket him with the FS. It's not so hard.

So who covers galladay? If you shade a FS over that way you don't think then galladay would dominate whoever is on the other side? He beat bethel a couple of times when bethel had good coverage. You can't solve every problem as a coach. Your players need to preform which they didn't.

 

[WildBB]

Why did we lose?

Aging QB
Poor OL play
Pedestrian WR's and TE's
DJ and pedestrian RB's, dependent on O Line.

Nothing special here.

The Oline got manhandled by Detroits DL. It's the same crap with the OL again. Who did they bring in?

They look like an old unit and if they loose DJ, God help us. Although K. Williams played decently, we become very one dimensional.

Palmer needs to show up next week and deliver the goods when given the opportunity. That 1st half was God awful. That's really where this team blew it's best chance today.

The D needs more stunts imo. Playing Reddick off the edge was a good call. C. Jones finished it off with a stunt up the gut. Straight outside pressure off the edge wasn't effective the majority of the time.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Still need fg kicking work dawson is good on kickoffs but hope he doesnt miss to many more chipshots.

 

[Buckybird]

Good point, Bucky, but I also think that CP plays at times like robot. It's like he's programmed to throw the ball to a certain spot and he leaves no margin for reading where the WR is. He is so freaking careless with the ball. Even worse when we are up 10-0. No excuses any more. Don't want to hear about being pressured or the WR or RB running the wrong route. It's happened too often to ignore. I hope BA gives Gabbert a chance to compete. Why not? Make it clear to Palmer that he cannot keep playing like this.

I'll agree with the throwing to a spot because I think you're dead on! Is he being coached to do that? If that's the case IMO it proves my point on the lack of practice with the receivers even more.

Another issue I think is a factor is the push some teams get up the middle that doesn't allow CP to step up & deliver a good ball. A perfect example was the overthrow of Jaron Brown on the pick in the middle of the field. As soon as he passed the ball the blocker was bull rushed into him & he couldn't step into his throw. Grant sometimes he has to eat the ball but that play was either going to be a fumble or an int because he was already throwing the pass. I still say Iupati needs to be pulled (until healthy) as well as Shipley & playing either Boehm at C or Munyer & inserting Boone into one of the guard spots. I also don't see any nastiness from Veldheer at RT. the Oline is a total freaking mess! Who's our best 5?

 

[Buckybird]

Still need fg kicking work dawson is good on kickoffs but hope he doesnt miss to many more chipshots.

IMO if he kicks the ball straight it's blocked. IMO Dawson noticed & tried pulling it just a bit to sneak it thru the uprights.

 

[bojack]

Might Palmer have a dead arm??

Might? He had at a minimum a somewhat dead arm last year, it was one of the first things that stood out in the early season that I posted about. The difference between his throws and accuracy (which I admit has always been suspect at times) pre 2016 and 2016+ are noticeable.

This preseason CP was talking about how he was hopeful for this year because he actually doesn't throw the ball very much anymore because the sport scientists told them that is the best way to preserve his arm so he could make good throws. It makes sense, except a couple days of light practice with your unit each week isn't going to cut it in the NFL. You don't see a QB with a healthy arm limiting throws worrying about the future when they need to perform their best and win today, not years down the road when they might not even have a job. When someone is doing that you can be assured he is trying to limp through the final season. My best guess is the shoulder/rotator is giving him pain, and not so much that his actual strength, as in muscle is weakened. He could probably still fling it a country mile but at the expense of feeling like his arm is coming apart for the next couple days.