Game is sold out........

[BTP]

Oh forgot to mention a wife born and raised in Wisconsin.

nice,where abouts?


oh and your multituner wasn't avaible for direct tv in '05. funny stuff

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You'll get there RD,it's just going to take time, yeah I can see it's a touchy subject. LOL!

You are right it is a touchy subject. And I see that you realize that we are doing a good job and starting to "get there", so please realize after this break in my post, that "you" does not mean BTP. Just getting on the soapbox for a moment, and barking at the moon.

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You are right the fan base is not as strong as a lot of clubs out there. When you haven't had a home playoff game in over 30 years, no championships in over 60 years, the team has moved 3 times, played in a college stadium that was too hot to be in when the season still had hope & only cooled down once the season was over in November for 10 years......................it is going to effect you fan base.

I know Steelers, and Packers like to thump thier collective chests about how "hardcore" their loyalties are, but I would be interested to see what would happen if those fan bases where put to the test. The Packers have the Lombardi era & the Holmgren era with much success. The Steeler have more SB wins than any other team. It is easy to be a "hardcore fan" when everything is constantly coming up roses. It is easy to be on the bandwagon of winners. And lets not forget those organizations have been in the same locations for over 6 decades.

A good example is the Chiefs....seriously they didn't sell out a game this year for the first time in a LOOONG time. You wanna play "shame on you" then throw it at the Chiefs fans.

So, the reason Cardinals fans are touchy about this subject. Is because of the fact that when the stadium is needs an extension to sell out, the next thing the fan base hears about is how the Cardinals fans are horrible fans. They hear about how they should be ashamed of the fact that it takes so long to sell out the stadium.

And sorry that is bullcrap. You will not find more loyal and resilient fans in the NFL. It may have been, and still be relatively small, but the proof and the facts don't lie they have endured through rougher times than any other fan base in the NFL. Thus the chip on thier shoulder.

Might I add that the media, and other fans have spent 6 decades calling the franchise a joke, and laughing at the Cardinals fans saying "How stupid do you have to be to root for the Cardinals ?" Yet, after 1 year of success, the fact that it took some time to fill the stadium for our first playoff was cause to ridicules the team and the fan base again!! That my friends is a double standard.

Maybe all the negative crap wasn't highlighted over the positives it would make people realize that the turn around and hard work of this organization to grow a fan base has been nothing short of amazing. Going from a fan base that couldn't fill a college stadium to a "sell-out every game" fan base in less than a year is quite an accomplishment.

Find me another group of fans that has endured through what the Cardinals have endured, and get back to me about how it is going. *coughJacksonvillecough*

So, while other fans, and the media take the time to slam the Cardinals and their fans AGAIN I would like to post some facts of our own, please keep in mind all the factors above, especially the 6 decades of losing heart wrenching football:

- Since UoP Stadium open it has sold out every game.

- Last year it took an extension to sell out the game, but it was in fact sold out by the extended deadline. So, to say the only reason it sold out this year is because of Packers fans is injustified and flawed logic. Extension or not this game coming up this Sunday would have been sold out.

- Look at the NFC Championship game and tell me there is a problem with the current fan base.

- The US economy is in the toilet. I would no doubt there is a lot of travel from Packers fans. Why ? Rich people love winners, and love to be on the band wagon. $300 tickets are not exactly an easy pill to swallow for a lot in the AZ area right now. The want is there, and TRUST ME the passion is there but the money may not be. Having money to outbid another person is not passion and want. Not to mention the fact that you can sell a playoff ticket for profit is going to super seed your passion as well. Food on the table is more important than a football game. With all that being said, you are still going to a see a "Sea of Red" come Sunday, and because of the passion and want these fans will sacrifice big financial set backs in order just to attend the game.

So while it might be fun to stated negative things about our team's fan base, and promote your own team just realize that the Cardinals have traveled the tougher road. That a "hardcore" Cardinals fan is battle tested, way way beyond any Packers, or Steelers fan.

*Gets of soapbox*
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So, THAT is the chip on the ol' shoulder. LOL Yes, as you can see we are a little sensitive on this subject.

Let me also note that I use the Steelers and Packers because of there success and longevity. Yet, I should fairly note that there fan base is strong, and there is no denying the fan base passion of both clubs. It would be unfair to not note that both fan bases are very very good ones.

So to end on a fun note, if you wanna see the ultimate and largest group of fair-weather, band wagon fans..... wait till the Patriots have to go through a rough time. That fan base will disinigrate, I just know it.

 

[BTP]

You are right the fan base is not as strong as a lot of clubs out there. When you haven't had a home playoff game in over 30 years, no championships in over 60 years, the team has moved 3 times, played in a college stadium that was too hot to be in when the season still had hope & only cooled down once the season was over in November for 10 years......................it is going to effect you fan base.

I know Steelers, and Packers like to thump thier collective chests about how "hardcore" their loyalties are, but I would be interested to see what would happen if those fan bases where put to the test. The Packers have the Lombardi era & the Holmgren era with much success.

Ok you can stop right there. This is were you're just wrong. You see,our fan base was put to the test. See the 70's and 80's Packers. We went 23 years without playoff game(not counting the silly '82 strike year). We understand your frustrations more then you think. You see,I grew up watching Lynn Dickey(a great QB for his time) get the snot kicked out of him because we had a crappy offensive line. I grew up watching the 80's packers and their exercise in futility. Yet some how we still have sold every game at Lambeau since it opened('65 I believe). This is why I always remind our younger fans of how spoiled they are when they start whining. Some of them just don't understand how good they have it with watching just Favre and now Rodgers as our QB.


Oh I never once said you didn't have a big fan base,I said we(the Packers)have one of the bigger fan bases out there. Big difference there in both of those statement(s).

I agree with you with the Pats,however,they do not handle a candle to Viking fans when it comes to bandwagons fair weather fans.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ok you can stop right there. This is were you're just wrong. You see,our fan base was put to the test. See the 70's and 80's Packers. We went 23 years without playoff game(not counting the silly '82 strike year). We understand your frustrations more then you think. You see,I grew up watching Lynn Dickey(a great QB for his time) get the snot kicked out of him because we had a crappy offensive line. I grew up watching the 80's packers and their exercise in futility. Yet some how we still have sold every game at Lambeau since it opened('65 I believe). This is why I always remind our younger fans of how spoiled they are when they start whining. Some of them just don't understand how good they have it with watching just Favre and now Rodgers as our QB. .

60 is 3 times as long as 20 years. 60 years is a LIFETIME. That is all I am saying. And I failed to remember when the Packers moved 3 times during that 23 year dip. As you stated before. Fact is fact. So, I am not wrong, and if your are going to try and compare your plight to the Cardinals you are just nutz, if there were a national poll it would be a 98% that the Cardinals fans have been through much, much, much worse than any Packer fan can imagine. So, when I hear a Packer fan complain about a 23 year string of bad season I remind them of how spoiled they are.

But you are right you had some brutal teams, I am from the Tecmo Bowl generation. All you got to say is Majicowski. LOL

And what I bolded above I echo with UoP opening, and our fans don't own that stadium. Again it is a testament to the "largely unregconized" hard work of the Cardinals organization.

Oh, I never once said you didn't have a big fan base,I said we(the Packers)have one of the bigger fan bases out there. Big difference there in both of those statement(s).

Guess you missed the part were I told you the page break is not directed at you. Hence the point is moot. I know you didn't say and why I took the time to state as such.

 

[DanThePackerFan]

Ok you can stop right there. This is were you're just wrong. You see,our fan base was put to the test. See the 70's and 80's Packers. We went 23 years without playoff game(not counting the silly '82 strike year). We understand your frustrations more then you think. You see,I grew up watching Lynn Dickey(a great QB for his time) get the snot kicked out of him because we had a crappy offensive line. I grew up watching the 80's packers and their exercise in futility. Yet some how we still have sold every game at Lambeau since it opened('65 I believe). This is why I always remind our younger fans of how spoiled they are when they start whining. Some of them just don't understand how good they have it with watching just Favre and now Rodgers as our QB.


Oh I never once said you didn't have a big fan base,I said we(the Packers)have one of the bigger fan bases out there. Big difference there in both of those statement(s).

I agree with you with the Pats,however,they do not handle a candle to Viking fans when it comes to bandwagons fair weather fans.

A few things, Lambeau opened in '57 and the sellout streak started in '61. I think the only game not filled to attendance (but still sold out) was the 1985 Snow Bowl versus Tampa. Only 20,000 people braved the blizzard to make it to the stadium, and many either walked or took snowmobiles.

I agree with the poster who said Pats fans will be the ultimate bandwagoners. That's a baseball/hockey region of the country. The Pats have been to a Super Bowl at least once in every decade of their existence. I'm not sure any other team can say that. Some day they'll go through a cold spell. It will be interesting to see how they respond.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

A few things, Lambeau opened in '57 and the sellout streak started in '61. I think the only game not filled to attendance (but still sold out) was the 1985 Snow Bowl versus Tampa. Only 20,000 people braved the blizzard to make it to the stadium, and many either walked or took snowmobiles.

That is so cool. I love that about the northern states. Snowmobiles are awesome.

 

[BTP]

60 is 3 times as long as 20 years. 60 years is a LIFETIME. That is all I am saying.

Just curious here,were you alive for those 60 years?

 

[BTP]

A few things, Lambeau opened in '57 and the sellout streak started in '61. .

Yeah I mixed that up,'65 was the year they renamed it to Lambeau after he passed away. Old age I guess.

 

[BTP]

That is so cool. I love that about the northern states. Snowmobiles are awesome.

pfft,we had the honor of having mother nature dump a foot of snow on us in the last 24 hours. I think the people headed down there are going to be happy to get out of here for the weekend.

Only 20,000 people braved the blizzard to make it to the stadium, and many either walked or took snowmobiles.

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I remember it well. They(Wisconsin State Troopers) had highways 43 and 41 north shut down from Milwaukee to Green Bay because the roads were impassable . The fact they had 20,000 people attend(remember the stadium only held 56,000 back then) that day was an amazing feat in it's self.

 

[DanThePackerFan]

That is so cool. I love that about the northern states. Snowmobiles are awesome.

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[CardLogic]

Oh I never once said you didn't have a big fan base...

Who cares! I'll say it, the Cardinals don't have a large fan base. Even in the city they play most people are fans of some other team first. Either they support the team from where they used to live; or if they are native or pre-Cardinal Arizonans they support the teams they "grew up with", such as San Diego, Dallas, or Denver, teams that were shown on local area broadcasts; pre-satellite days.

Fans of the Cardinals have dealt with more crap about their football team than you (BTP) could ever begin to understand. So yeah, we take it badly when people bad-mouth, belittle, deprecate, depreciate, diminish, discount, disparage, minimize, put down, or write off OUR CARDINALS!

Being a Cardinals fan takes more than a little committment, and not everyone has what it takes. But the guy/girls that have been through the fire with this team for years understand that it's not about the number of fans.

And besides, what else is there to do in Green Bay...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm not going to get into the numbers game here. Packers fans travel well.
Better than any team in the NFC for sure and maybe the only team that can rival the Steelers for best in the league. I'll leave it at that.


As far as this post... I'm confused. Would that be a good thing?

Why would that be a bad thing? Phx area is a transplant area and out numbering opponent fans five to one is a pretty good ratio.

We heard all these claims before NFC championship last season and there was almost no green.

 

[BTP]

Who cares! I'll say it, the Cardinals don't have a large fan base. Even in the city they play most people are fans of some other team first. Either they support the team from where they used to live; or if they are native or pre-Cardinal Arizonans they support the teams they "grew up with", such as San Diego, Dallas, or Denver, teams that were shown on local area broadcasts; pre-satellite days.

Fans of the Cardinals have dealt with more crap about their football team than you (BTP) could ever begin to understand. So yeah, we take it badly when people bad-mouth, belittle, deprecate, depreciate, diminish, discount, disparage, minimize, put down, or write off OUR CARDINALS!

Being a Cardinals fan takes more than a little committment, and not everyone has what it takes. But the guy/girls that have been through the fire with this team for years understand that it's not about the number of fans.

And besides, what else is there to do in Green Bay...

So let's get this straight you get upset about what other fans think of you guys yet manage to show hypocrisy/ignorance when it comes to the state of Wisconsin?

LOL,let me guess,you guys really think there is just farm fields and everyone is fat in our state? Labels,they go both ways.

 

[DanThePackerFan]

Why would that be a bad thing? Phx area is a transplant area and out numbering opponent fans five to one is a pretty good ratio.

We heard all these claims before NFC championship last season and there was almost no green.

That's still nearly a third of your stadium in a home playoff game for a team that represented the conference in the Super Bowl last year.

That's another thing I don't understand... what does last year's three game playoff run have to do with this matchup, an entire year later?

And why does it matter to Packers fans that Philly fans ran their mouths and didn't back it up last year? That has no bearing on whether or not Packer fans are able to procure tickets and attend the game this season.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

BTP- Lets just get one thing straight, well maybe a few things. The silly little cheese looking cup holders that Packers fans wear, well they are cute, but dumb. The Packers fans chanting "Go Pack Go", while it may get loud from time to time Sunday. It will surely pale in comparison to the complete chaos of screams, chants and eardrum shattering cheering that Cards fans will pour onto the Green Bay Offense. So enjoy your hearing while you can because it is gonna be loud sunday. Cards fans have made UofP one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL. That isnt my opinion, that is testimony from many NFL coaches who rolled in and were shocked.

And one other thing. Packers fans might want to take a little more of a humble approach to this game. You all seem OVERLY confident and a defeat may have some adverse affects on your health.

And last but not least! The Packers are riding high and have been talking with not just confidence but with OVER confidence. Rodgers has not met Wilson, Campbell or Dockett yet, but he will Sunday. Rodgers has not had the ball hawk DRC roaming yet. The Pack are walking into this game thinking this should be a warm up game for the divisional round, big big mistake. The Pack has yet to play the Cards when the Cards have played to win or game planned. Whis is a crafty guy and I can promise you, there will be some suprises in the game even to Cards fans.

So continue posting on the board with your smug tone. In the end we shall see if you eat some humble pie IF this game ends with the Pack going home to hybernate for the winter. My guess is you wont. My guess is it will be the Refs fault.

 

[BTP]

my smug tone? Bwahahahah,not true. Don't dish out if you can't take it,period. Oh and I will be here win or lose. Packer fans are not that way.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Just curious here,were you alive for those 60 years?

What does that matter ?

Again, I am talking about the fan base as a whole. And trying to provide some insight on why so many Cardinals fans are sensitive on the issue of a sell out.

I can care less what a Packer fan, or nation writer has to say about the fans.

But to cut you off at the pass, what may not apply to me does in fact to apply to those who are 60 years old, and YES there are many of them on this board.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't answer you question. No, not at all. I didn't start being a fill tilt fan of the Cardinals until 1998. Plus I am from NJ. Speaking of which is cost around $1,500 dollars for me to fly out to AZ. Thus I can't understand how Packer fans have so much money to fly all over the country. Unless it is just a huge national following, and they catch games at local stadium like I do when the Cardinals play on the East Coast.

 

[BTP]

What does that matter ?

Again, I am talking about the fan base as a whole.

So would say it would be a fair assessment to say a majority of Card fans were not around for those 60 years?

 

[CardLogic]

So let's get this straight you get upset about what other fans think of you guys yet manage to show hypocrisy/ignorance when it comes to the state of Wisconsin?

LOL,let me guess,you guys really think there is just farm fields and everyone is fat in our state? Labels,they go both ways.

I'll use one of your techniques: I never said anything about the state of Wisconsin.

Seriously, are you attempting to argue that Green Bay has as many options; i.e.- alternative to Packers games; as cities such as Phoenix?

I guess you could always go ice fishing...

 

[BTP]

I'll use one of your techniques: I never said anything about the state of Wisconsin. .

Green Bay is in the state of Wisconsin.

Seriously, are you attempting to argue that Green Bay has as many options; i.e.- alternative to Packers games; as cities such as Phoenix? .

No that would be foolish,however small cities do have advantages over big cities for other reason other then sports. You have to remember the Packer's are not just Green Bay's team. They are the entire state's team. Remember up until to '94 they played three games a year in Milwaukee, they also used to play preseason games in Madison.

The old joke of you could rob someone blind in this state during the game is very true. Not sure if you've ever been to Wisconsin on game day,but it's something visiting fans or transplants always point out how wierd and amazed it is of how we(our towns,cities) live and die with the Packers.

 

[CardLogic]

Green Bay is in the state of Wisconsin.



No that would be foolish,however small cities do have advantages over big cities for other reason other then sports. You have to remember the Packer's are not just Green Bay's team. They are the entire state's team. Remember up until to '94 they played three games a year in Milwaukee, they also used to play preseason games in Madison.

The old joke of you could rob someone blind in this state during the game is very true. Not sure if you've ever been to Wisconsin on game day,but it's something visiting fans or transplants always point out how wierd and amazed it is of how we(our towns,cities) live and die with the Packers.

Good job of making my point for me!

 

[CaptTurbo]

The old joke of you could rob someone blind in this state during the game is very true. Not sure if you've ever been to Wisconsin on game day,but it's something visiting fans or transplants always point out how wierd and amazed it is of how we(our towns,cities) live and die with the Packers.

I went to Green Bay when the cards played there at the end of the season in like 2006 or so.

I love the town. Ate at Brett Favres steakhouse, excellent meal. The waitresses were so hot my buddy and I figured we would hit a strip club to see if the women were all that beautiful.....Evidently Favre hires the hottest girls in town to waitress lol

But I really enjoyed my time there. I was one of maybe 100 cards fans there and while there was some ribbing at the restaurant it was all in fun.

The guy behind me in the stadium did get a little too drunk and rude to me and was making fun of my jersey. But the other packers fans told him to shut it because I was wearing a Tillman jersey.

Hope to go back sometime.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah I mixed that up,'65 was the year they renamed it to Lambeau after he passed away. Old age I guess.

That was really great of Green Bay to name their stadium after a former Cardinals Head Coach.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Hang in there guys.

We have a small but albeit mighty fan base.

When I changed schedules with a fellow worker for Sunday so I could get off at the start of the game my nosy sup had to ask why....of course I said the Cards are playing.

His response was....Cardinals?.....Cardinals?

I walked away laughing.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Hang in there guys.

We have a small but albeit mighty fan base.

When I changed schedules with a fellow worker for Sunday so I could get off at the start of the game my nosy sup had to ask why....of course I said the Cards are playing.

His response was....Cardinals?.....Cardinals?

I walked away laughing.