Gentry will never coach us to a title

[desertdawg]

You had a reasonable position until you unloaded on Gentry. He has adjusted well to the loss of Amare and JRich. I think under most coaches, the Suns would be a below .500 team.

Only reason we are above 500 is because of Gortat, he helps all of our players play better when he is on the court.

Peace out. (for real now )

 

[BC867]

Add in zero shared time in the first quarter and a half between Nash and Gortat, and we might as well not play.

When I saw that, I almost threw something at my TV screen. Almost!

Our two most important players -- zero minutes together! Unfreakingbelievable!

Steve had how many turnovers in the first half? Six, I think.

Our starting Center, The Robin, had a total of 3 points and 1 rebound for the game!

OK, now I'm losing confidence in Alvin Gentry's coaching, short-term and long-term. Starting Pietrus at SG worked out. But the stumbling blocks he's setting for Nash and Gortat -- uh uh.

Desert Dog, 'remember when you and I were the only ones commenting on Gortat's situation?

 

[Evil Ash]

When I saw that, I almost threw something at my TV screen. Almost!

Our two most important players -- zero minutes together! Unfreakingbelievable!

Steve had how many turnovers in the first half? Six, I think.

Our starting Center, The Robin, had a total of 3 points and 1 rebound for the game!

OK, now I'm losing confidence in Alvin Gentry's coaching, short-term and long-term. Starting Pietrus at SG worked out. But the stumbling blocks he's setting for Nash and Gortat -- uh uh.

Desert Dog, 'remember when you and I were the only ones commenting on Gortat's situation?

Neither one of them were good in the first half. Quite frankly, only Frye and Brooks showed up in the first half. The problem wasn't who our starters were, it was just completely mailing it.

We can be thankful we were playing the Bucks tonight because if we were playing anyone else this is an L pure and simple

The effort tonight was INEXCUSABLE

 

[desertdawg]

We can be thankful we were playing the Bucks tonight because if we were playing anyone else this is an L pure and simple

The coaching tonight was INEXCUSABLE

You got that right

 

[sunsfan88]

Coaching has been piss poor by Gentry these past few games. He takes out players who are "hot' shooting the ball and puts in chuckers in crucial minutes of games.

Also he fails to realize why we start off slow every ****ing game! Today Houston started 10-2. Suns ALWAYS have to play catch up....reason? Robin Lopez.

Please fire Gentry....I'd rather see Majerle at the helm.

 

[BC867]

'Can't help but notice that the change of starting Gortat in the 3rd quarter, so he wouldn't have to play two consecutive 18-minute halves (one is bad enough) lasted two games. Two games!

I hate giving up on Gentry after he made a commitment to institute a plan and stick with it, but he's back to his ol' routine of haphazard substitutions.

He's acting like a coach who is looking to save his job. Tire out Gortat. No set routine for the wings. Not look beyond the end of his nose.

Do you think that he's been told that if he doesn't show some results now, he's gone? Not because our quarterback (around whom the team is designed) is out injured.

But because Nash has played more minutes than anyone else this season, which made his fatigue and injury inevitable at this time of the year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Please fire Gentry....I'd rather see Majerle at the helm.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[BC867]

Be careful what you wish for.

I agree! Dan Majerle is still pretty much a man-child. Not the Chief Operating Officer type. I see he just opened another restaurant in Scottsdale.

Bill Cartwright, in his two partial seasons as Interim, then Permanent, Head Coach of the Bulls after Michael left were even worse than expected. He was fired mid-season.

We have no one on the staff to do any better than Gentry. He'll be here until the end of the season.

 

[jagu]

The title of this thread is pretty silly. It's so unlikely the Suns will win a championship in the next 5-10 years anyway. Only a handful of teams have won the championship in the last 30 years. The league is swinging towards stars going to big market teams and creating super teams and believe me when I tell you that these stars won't be coming here. This league sucks, no parity, nothing just boring play and repetitive crap over and over again. Maybe the new CBA might change that but judging from how things are going now and from the past, I don't expect anything positive for a market like Phoenix.

Be happy with those little regular season victories, the upsets and getting busted in the playoffs because hey that's most likely what you will be seeing now and in the future unfortunately.

 

[sunsfan88]

'Can't help but notice that the change of starting Gortat in the 3rd quarter, so he wouldn't have to play two consecutive 18-minute halves (one is bad enough) lasted two games. Two games!

I hate giving up on Gentry after he made a commitment to institute a plan and stick with it, but he's back to his ol' routine of haphazard substitutions.

He's acting like a coach who is looking to save his job. Tire out Gortat. No set routine for the wings. Not look beyond the end of his nose.

Do you think that he's been told that if he doesn't show some results now, he's gone? Not because our quarterback (around whom the team is designed) is out injured.

But because Nash has played more minutes than anyone else this season, which made his fatigue and injury inevitable at this time of the year.

Or maybe he was told by the FO to tank?

 

[desertdawg]

Every game that is close at the end, the ones that went into overtime, whether we win or lose, the only reason those games are close because Gentry starts Lopez and mismanages his players minutes. People can talk all they want about how bad the team is without Nash and Frye, I think it is has a lot to do with Gentry.

It's not rocket science, if Lopez is hurting your team, only put him in when you have to. Gortat gets it really going after a being in a few minutes, by then we are down by 10. Then we start coming back, then it's half time.

Come out after the half and it's the same old same old. But now Gortat will play the last 20 minutes with out a break because we are still trying to get back in it.
Robin Lopez is a full on bust ladies and gentlemen, there is no other coach in the league that would start him over Marcin.

Nash is so banged up because Gentry was playing him whole quarters at a time, (while injured) Nash averages more minutes than Rondo who is in his prime. The reason Gentry leaves Nash in the entire first quarter is because we finally start to get it going after Gortat comes in, and we can't bench Nash when that's happening.

D'Antoni always made sure Nash had rest, he also adjusted his gameplan to who ever we were playing. Gentry leaves guys in that have sucked the whole game, while benching players that are productive. It's rough on the Suns because different guys produce different nights, especially after the injuries.

Gentry did leave ZD (who was on fire) in today, I gotta give him that.

 

[SirStefan32]

D'Antoni always made sure Nash had rest, he also adjusted his gameplan to who ever we were playing.

You just lost any credibility you may have had.

 

[Mulli]

D'Antoni always made sure Nash had rest, he also adjusted his gameplan to who ever we were playing. Gentry leaves guys in that have sucked the whole game, while benching players that are productive. It's rough on the Suns because different guys produce different nights, especially after the injuries.

Gentry did leave ZD (who was on fire) in today, I gotta give him that.

What?

 

[Zbigniew]

To this time I've thougt that it's better for a team to put in Gortat of the bench. But it's clear (for me) that Lopez has very bad performance at the moment He seems to be quite lost after the big trade and he knows that he doesn't deserve to be a starter. He constantly looses his selfconfidence and I think that would be better for him and for the team to bench him. Playing second quarter could help him to mentally recover.

 

[Evil Ash]

Coaching has been piss poor by Gentry these past few games. He takes out players who are "hot' shooting the ball and puts in chuckers in crucial minutes of games.

Also he fails to realize why we start off slow every ****ing game! Today Houston started 10-2. Suns ALWAYS have to play catch up....reason? Robin Lopez.

Please fire Gentry....I'd rather see Majerle at the helm.

Actually Robin played pretty well yesterday along with Dowdell and Josh Childress.

Gortat struggled until the 2nd half (Houston gives him problems for some reason), Brooks was just awful, Pietrus was a black hole AGAIN, Carter was inconsistent, Dudley was off, Warrick was horrid on both ends of the court, and of course we were missing Nash and Frye. Even with all that we still had a chance to win on the road on a back-to-back, yet coaching was the problem.

Sorry I just don't see it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Every game that is close at the end, the ones that went into overtime, whether we win or lose, the only reason those games are close because Gentry starts Lopez and mismanages his players minutes. People can talk all they want about how bad the team is without Nash and Frye, I think it is has a lot to do with Gentry.

It's not rocket science, if Lopez is hurting your team, only put him in when you have to. Gortat gets it really going after a being in a few minutes, by then we are down by 10. Then we start coming back, then it's half time.

Come out after the half and it's the same old same old. But now Gortat will play the last 20 minutes with out a break because we are still trying to get back in it.

Robin Lopez is a full on bust ladies and gentlemen, there is no other coach in the league that would start him over Marcin.

Nash is so banged up because Gentry was playing him whole quarters at a time, (while injured) Nash averages more minutes than Rondo who is in his prime. The reason Gentry leaves Nash in the entire first quarter is because we finally start to get it going after Gortat comes in, and we can't bench Nash when that's happening.

Get no argument from me here. I have been saying Gentry has been making some really odd decisions with our lineup since the season started. He is doing things that most head coaches wouldn't do. For example keeping Lopez in the starting lineup. Why not try someone other than VC in the starting lineup? He has been terribly inconsistent.

D'Antoni always made sure Nash had rest, he also adjusted his gameplan to who ever we were playing.

You completely lost me here. Do you remember the same coach we do? D'Antoni had a short rotation because he didn't trust the bench. He used to run our starters into the ground. How can you not remember that?

Also, D'Antoni was terrible at IN GAME adjustments. One of the biggest complaints we had about him was that if his game plans going into games were not working he didn't adjust. D'Antoni would force feed the same plays over and over even if they were not working.

 

[Zbigniew]

Actually Robin played pretty well yesterday along with Dowdell and Josh Childress.

And that is what he should do, playing with the bench players.

 

[Evil Ash]

And that is what he should do, playing with the bench players.

Like I've said before I have no problem with that now.

Our 2nd team for the majority of the year was a complete mess as Dragic was often hesitant and had more turnovers than points or assists (seriously folks he had NEGATIVE value while he was here). It was such a problem that our starters with regularity had to bail them out. Removing Gortat and adding Lopez to that unit would have made it a bigger disaster.

Now that we have a good backup (although he has struggled BADLY against his former team), I'd be okay with the move but I can understand why Gentry may be hesitant to make the move. When everyone was healthy, we were on a roll and everyone knew their role in the rotation. Making changes in the rotation would mean it would take time and likely losses to adjust to. Those are 2 things we couldn't afford considering where we are.

Robin Lopez starting isn't as big of a deal as some here make it out to be. Our problems mostly come from a lack of talent namely at the PF and SG positions

 

[desertdawg]

You just lost any credibility you may have had.

When did D'Antoni leave in Nash for the entire first quarter while Nash was injured ? (don't mention his back, that's been a problem forever)
D'Antoni tried to saved Nash for the fourth, I looked it up and Nash pretty much averages the same amount of minutes so I did have that wrong. As far as my credibility goes...I lost that a long time ago in here when I kept mentioning Gortat should start, so no biggie.

It's funny everybodies harpin on the D'Antoni part of my post, as if it some how defends Gentry's coaching as of late. Do I think he is a better coach? Heck yeah! That team was fun to watch too, and yes, I know those days are long gone. D'Antoni > Gentry, just my opinion.

So you can bust on me, or Mike D'antoni, I got side tracked in my post and I can take it like I can give it. Gentry is the cat I was trying to discuss, and his "coaching."

The times at the end of the games when our players didn't know to foul.

The same game winner 3 pt shot of the screen gets called no matter who we have in the game, how much time is left, doesn't matter if we are down by 1 , 2 , 3, 4 points.

The subbing and his timing with it cracks me up. If Lopez is playing that bad, then start Gortat and play Robin as little as possible. Starting Lopez isn't helping him or the Suns, I think it his hurting his progress with the pressure knowing Gortat is coming in soon so Lopez is trying to hard or something. I don't know if that is it, but I think bringing him off the bench would be a good move.

I say we see a new head coach by next year, credibility be damned!

 

[Mainstreet]

Robin Lopez starting isn't as big of a deal as some here make it out to be. Our problems mostly come from a lack of talent namely at the PF and SG positions

I agree, Lopez is not the reason the Suns are losing but he does contribute to the Suns getting off to slow starts. However, as you say, the Suns woes are primarily at PF and SG. The Suns should particularly think about Gortat starting against larger centers like Howard.

 

[Mainstreet]

Desertdawg, you still have credibility with me.

However, the fact is, DA rode Nash hard and put him away wet. Maybe it wasn't quite as noticeable because Nash was younger. It used to hurt me to watch Nash play until he was completely out of gas and still on the court.

 

[Evil Ash]

I agree, Lopez is not the reason the Suns are losing but he does contribute to the Suns getting off to slow starts. However, as you say, the Suns woes are primarily at PF and SG. The Suns should particularly think about Gortat starting against larger centers like Howard.

Against guys like Howard, it really doesn't matter who starts as was proven a couple of days ago.

Lopez is a good backup C that plays with the starting unit for limited amounts of time. He's not the main reason for our woes whatsoever. He doesn't help us a ton but he doesn't kill us either. Moving him into the 2nd string wouldn't make much of a difference.

The main people that bring it up are Gortat homers that think that he can do absolutely no wrong. For example when he has a 12 point, 8 rebound game against a mediocre Rockets team - the first person they blame is the coach.

Gortat is a good player and a welcome addition to this team but he's not anywhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

 

[desertdawg]

Against guys like Howard, it really doesn't matter who starts as was proven a couple of days ago.

Lopez is a good backup C that plays with the starting unit for limited amounts of time. He's not the main reason for our woes whatsoever. He doesn't help us a ton but he doesn't kill us either. Moving him into the 2nd string wouldn't make much of a difference.

The main people that bring it up are Gortat homers that think that he can do absolutely no wrong. For example when he has a 12 point, 8 rebound game against a mediocre Rockets team - the first person they blame is the coach.

Gortat is a good player and a welcome addition to this team but he's not anywhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

Really, I don't think Gortat can do no wrong and I think he should start. His missed lay ups and dunks happen every game, some times he aint so hot at catching the ball after the pick and roll.

But you were right about seeing the difference between Lopez and Gortat when we played the Magic, I guess you didn't watch that game. I won't even further my point on that one with all my homerness.
If it's not such a big deal, why does every other coach start their best center? They must have missed the memo... If Lopez is a back up, (like you said) then why isn't he a back up?

 

[Mainstreet]

Against guys like Howard, it really doesn't matter who starts as was proven a couple of days ago.

Lopez is a good backup C that plays with the starting unit for limited amounts of time. He's not the main reason for our woes whatsoever. He doesn't help us a ton but he doesn't kill us either. Moving him into the 2nd string wouldn't make much of a difference.

The main people that bring it up are Gortat homers that think that he can do absolutely no wrong. For example when he has a 12 point, 8 rebound game against a mediocre Rockets team - the first person they blame is the coach.

Gortat is a good player and a welcome addition to this team but he's not anywhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

I just thought against Orlando, Lopez would be more effective when Howard goes to the bench. Lopez was a hopeless starting match-up against Howard. I will not make it an issue if Gentry continues his current center rotation, but he must make allowances, when considering player match-ups, when playing against bigger and more physical starting lineups.

 

[Evil Ash]

Really, I don't think Gortat can do no wrong and I think he should start. His missed lay ups and dunks happen every game, some times he aint so hot at catching the ball after the pick and roll.

But you were right about seeing the difference between Lopez and Gortat when we played the Magic, I guess you didn't watch that game. I won't even further my point on that one with all my homerness.
If it's not such a big deal, why does every other coach start their best center? They must have missed the memo... If Lopez is a back up, (like you said) then why isn't he a back up?

Howard had 26/15/5 in 3 qtrs, he destroyed both Lopez and Gortat so no it wouldn't have made much of a difference especially in a game we lost by 23.

Coaches adjust to the rosters in front of them to get the best out of their players. Just because somebody comes off the bench doesn't make them a worse player. For example a few years ago Flopinobli came off the bench from the Spurs even though he was the better player and even this season Lamar Odom comes off the bench for the Lakers even though he's better than the oft injured Bynum and the under-performing Artest (Odom can play SF).

So using your logic Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich are complete morons. However their championship rings seem to disagree with that assessment