George Lucas Claims That Han Solo Never Shot First In Star Wars

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George Lucas Claims That Han Solo Never Shot First In Star Wars

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/George-Lucas-Claims-Han-Solo-Never-Shot-First-Star-Wars-29355.html

It's no secret that George Lucas has done everything in his power to try and suck the life out of Star Wars fans. Between not releasing the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy on DVD/Blu-ray to constantly adding more and more crap CGI to practically every frame, every couple of years Lucas does what he can to make Star Wars a little bit worse.

While there are many examples to cite when discussing how Lucas has butchered his own legacy, the one that fans most often point to is the scene in the Mos Eisley Cantina from Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, specifically the moment when Han Solo shoots Greedo. While in the 1977 cut of the film Han shoots the alien bounty hunter after feeling threatened, subsequent cuts - namely all of those since the 1997 special editions - have shown Greedo firing off a blast and Han firing back.

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So now - the original script was wrong, what all of us fans saw on the screen...wrong, and even what Lucas himself had previously stated regarding this scene...wrong.

LMAO

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What an awful man for creating a universe so big and a mythology so vast that it's captured the imagination of 100s of millions of people spanning four generations.

Burn in hell, George Lucas. We hope your days of torturing the human race with your fantastic tales and groundbreaking cinematics are over.
 

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What an awful man for creating a universe so big and a mythology so vast that it's captured the imagination of 100s of millions of people spanning four generations.

Burn in hell, George Lucas. We hope your days of torturing the human race with your fantastic tales and groundbreaking cinematics are over.

Wow. Hyperbole much?
 

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What a tool. Never have I seen someone create something so wonderful and cool, only to do everything in his power to try and ruin it.
 

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What an awful man for creating a universe so big and a mythology so vast that it's captured the imagination of 100s of millions of people spanning four generations.

Burn in hell, George Lucas. We hope your days of torturing the human race with your fantastic tales and groundbreaking cinematics are over.
This (with sarcasm fully intact).
 

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What an awful man for creating a universe so big and a mythology so vast that it's captured the imagination of 100s of millions of people spanning four generations.

Burn in hell, George Lucas. We hope your days of torturing the human race with your fantastic tales and groundbreaking cinematics are over.

This (with sarcasm fully intact).

Why does he find it necessary to continue to change his reasoning behind why he has changed the original (and the later modifications) again, and again, and again.

My issue with this isn't with Lucas' changing the original version, or his vision, or his legacy. The only real issue I have is that he just won't say "This is the way I want it now, they are my films, now go **** yourselves."
 

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Why does he find it necessary to continue to change his reasoning behind why he has changed the original (and the later modifications) again, and again, and again.

My issue with this isn't with Lucas' changing the original version, or his vision, or his legacy. The only real issue I have is that he just won't say "This is the way I want it now, they are my films, now go **** yourselves."

I don't get why anyone cares so much. Make digital copies of your favorite version and keep those. Then stop reading anything Lucas has to say and your life will be magically stress free from undue Star Wars agitation.

Lucas can whiz on the original prints as far as I'm concerned. They're his creation. He can mash them up and transform them into anything he likes. For me, I'm just impressed that he's still emotionally engaged in that creation that he still talks about them. If I were him, I'd be totally exhausted by all things Star Wars by now and wanting to do something completely different.
 

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I don't get why anyone cares so much...stop reading anything Lucas has to say and your life will be magically stress free from undue Star Wars agitation.

Why does anyone care about anything that is out of their direct control, or their direct sphere of influence?

If Steve Gadd, or any other jazz drummer you may hold in high esteem, were to release a country album would you have an opinion to offer? Would your opinion be passionate? Would anyone else, aside from another jazz-snob, care?

Make digital copies of your favorite version and keep those.

I would if I could. I'd much rather have the choice of legally purchasing them on either DVD or Blu-Ray.
 
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If Steve Gadd, or any other jazz drummer you may hold in high esteem, were to release a country album would you have an opinion to offer? Would your opinion be passionate? Would anyone else, aside from another jazz-snob, care?

Actually, my hero, Vinnie Colaiuta, made an album with Megadeath that I hated, but it never got in the way of my hero worship. He's also re-recorded some of my favorite tracks and turned them into *bleh* but I've never resorted to tearing him down. He's one of the few people on the planet still today that would cause me to gush and be tongue-tied if I met him. Respect for true artistry isn't changed because he's done things I disapprove of.

You can criticize the work all you want. It's the personal attacks that blow me away.
 

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If Steve Gadd, or any other jazz drummer you may hold in high esteem, were to release a country album would you have an opinion to offer?
I'd just listen to the album I liked. If Gadd wants to change HIS creation, that's his choice. I'll consume what I like and discard the rest. I may comment -- even vehemently so -- that I don't like the new direction (or even the new take on old material if he re-made an existing album with a different sound), but I don't think I'd vilify the artist.

I'm not actually a Gadd fan, but I'd say the same if it were John Mellencamp--who has actually changed quite a bit about his artistry over the years--or someone else who's work I really admire.

I just don't understand the venom directed at the man who gave Star Wars fans so much to love.
 

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I just don't understand the venom directed at the man who gave Star Wars fans so much to love.

1. Probably because, like Ken said, Lucas isn't honest about why he keeps changing things. Dishonesty will always rub people the wrong way.

2. Lucas is doing everything in his power to make sure the original cuts of Star Wars never again become available to the public. That is just pure doucheness.
 

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In the next version of Star Wars, there will be digitally added tears to Han's face to show how remorseful he was over killing Greedo.
 

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1. Probably because, like Ken said, Lucas isn't honest about why he keeps changing things. Dishonesty will always rub people the wrong way.

2. Lucas is doing everything in his power to make sure the original cuts of Star Wars never again become available to the public. That is just pure doucheness.

Not true. Lucas has always stated from the beginning that the changes reflect his original vision. It's the personal attacks by "fans" that inspire him to defend himself.
 

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Not true. Lucas has always stated from the beginning that the changes reflect his original vision. It's the personal attacks by "fans" that inspire him to defend himself.

Long time no see...welcome back!
 

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You can criticize the work all you want. It's the personal attacks that blow me away.

I don't see anyone here personally vilifying Lucas. But we are expressing displeasure with stuff we don't agree with.

As I've said before:

I'm a HUGE Star Wars geek, but I am still mystified by just how much that franchise effects people.

No one I know is losing sleep over anything Lucas says or does, and Lord knows I don't.
 

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Not true. Lucas has always stated from the beginning that the changes reflect his original vision. It's the personal attacks by "fans" that inspire him to defend himself.

Then he's a liar. Visual changes? Changes in effects? Other tweaks? I'll gladly grant him that he wanted a lot of things different that he just couldn't do in the original. Who shot first? If he's trying to say that the original wasn't his 'vision' in that case, he's a flat-out liar, because he DID have control of that.

The problem is twofold with this idiot. Okay, threefold, and in no particular order. First, success got to his head, he thinks he's a genius, and he completely lost his touch in this whole 'tweak it to death' process. Second, he keeps insisting that it isn't his original vision, and that he needs to change it and change it and change it. While it is certainly his prerogative, he's got to sack up and realize that fans find it really annoying.

The third, and worst? His killing off the actual movie. Star Wars is a piece of cinematic history. In my mind, it is probably the most ground breaking science fiction film ever made. It is such a classic that the movie, along with the next two, made Lucas big enough to be as ******* as he's been all these years, and to suck as much as he has in the newer trilogy, and still make so much money. I find it HIGHLY offensive that someone would willingly try to DESTROY that movie. Literally destroy, so that no one else can ever see it or purchase it again. I find it unconscionable that the actual artist would seek to do so. If he was going nuts with all of these tweaks and changes, but wasn't trying to destroy a classic? I'd still think he was silly, but I wouldn't despise him as an idiot.

And the worst part? Yeah, I like Star Wars, but I'm not even close to being a fanboy. But it isn't about that, and I discovered just why I despise him so much as I typed that third reason. He's trying to kill off a classic movie, and THAT is what pisses me off.
 

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Hate to break it to you, you are ABSOLUTELY a fanboy, Stout. Four long paragraphs and many posts about it, and you think you aren't? :D

Look, I'm not saying all the changes are good, but they are his property, period. Does it really matter if he's a liar about who shot first? Good god, why is it such a big deal, especially if you claim you aren't a fanboy? And who cares if fans don't like what he's doing? He's got nothing to apologize for. Only thing that annoys me is that he spent all that time tweaking already existing movies when he could have done more original material. But now he has this reputation that nobody will see anything of his, original or not.

The spirit of the movies hasnt changed. Heck, younger kids who have nothing to compare it to will have the same reaction we had 30 years ago, and that's with the changes.

I'm sure he's sitting in a room filled with his millions crying that a few fans don't like his changes.
 
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Does it really matter if he's a liar about who shot first?

Yes.

He has already pissed off countless fans by tampering with Han Solo's character arc, but to try and erase it completely - lying when the script and the original footage clearly show that Han shot first - makes it clear that he is doing this maliciously. It's insane.
 

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Yes.

He has already pissed off countless fans by tampering with Han Solo's character arc, but to try and erase it completely - lying when the script and the original footage clearly show that Han shot first - makes it clear that he is doing this maliciously. It's insane.

Maliciously? Hilarious BIM. He may be a spoiled rich guy, but if you think he's doing any of this simply to piss you off, I think you need to revisit your definition of "insane." There are a ton of "fans" that fit that description now. Watch Star Trek instead. :D
 
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Maliciously? Hilarious BIM. He may be a spoiled rich guy, but if you think he's doing any of this simply to piss you off, I think you need to revisit your definition of "insane." There are a ton of "fans" that fit that description now. Watch Star Trek instead. :D

George wore a "Han Shot First" t-shirt on the set while bringing down...errr filming...the fourth Indiana Jones film...

It's intentional. Why else continue to mess with it? :shrug:
 

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