Get Leinart Back... Seriously...

[nashman]

Like I said "delusional" azstevencal if you think the garbage we have seen would not have been better with leinart at the helm not sure what to say. Some of you guys on here dislike leinart so much you justify it with excuses like the team wasn't behind him which is speculation at best stated by the genius ckw who disliked him. The team excuse is just that an excuse, you honestly think this team would not support anyone who wins? Of course they would , bet you their would be a good majority of this team that would love to have leinart here. Ckw screwed up Higgins and his big ego can't admit mistakes or take fault prime example this weekend when playcalling sucked he doesn't man up he deflects blame. Leinart was ran out of town for reasons we can only speculate about but it was not based on smart football decisions!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Like I said "delusional" azstevencal if you think the garbage we have seen would not have been better with leinart at the helm not sure what to say. Some of you guys on here dislike leinart so much you justify it with excuses like the team wasn't behind him which is speculation at best stated by the genius ckw who disliked him. The team excuse is just that an excuse, you honestly think this team would not support anyone who wins? Of course they would , bet you their would be a good majority of this team that would love to have leinart here. Ckw screwed up Higgins and his big ego can't admit mistakes or take fault prime example this weekend when playcalling sucked he doesn't man up he deflects blame. Leinart was ran out of town for reasons we can only speculate about but it was not based on smart football decisions!

Like I said, I love the "you either agree with me or you're delusional" approach. I don't agree with you so think what you will. I'm not on the other side of the fence, I'm just not as positive as you are. Our QB's have played so poorly that I'm tempted to assume any other QB would outplay them including Leinart but unlike you, I don't KNOW that.

I also don't "know" whether Leinart really lost the team or if that was the Coach's interpretation of the situation. I do know, however, that the Matt Leinart that played in our first 2 preseason games was at least as bad as DA and Hall have been. You can't get any worse than 3 and out. Even throwing an interception on the first play of every drive is no worse. Losing 21 - 0 is no better than losing 100 - 0 as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know why Leinart decided to pad his completion percentage without even making the slightest attempt to move the team but that's what we all saw out there. Maybe he simply wanted to avoid getting sacked so he'd be healthy come the regular season. If that's the case, we'd probably be much better off with him but OTOH, maybe that's all the guy is capable of anymore.

Steve

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Like I said "delusional" azstevencal if you think the garbage we have seen would not have been better with leinart at the helm not sure what to say. Some of you guys on here dislike leinart so much you justify it with excuses like the team wasn't behind him which is speculation at best stated by the genius ckw who disliked him. The team excuse is just that an excuse, you honestly think this team would not support anyone who wins? Of course they would , bet you their would be a good majority of this team that would love to have leinart here. Ckw screwed up Higgins and his big ego can't admit mistakes or take fault prime example this weekend when playcalling sucked he doesn't man up he deflects blame. Leinart was ran out of town for reasons we can only speculate about but it was not based on smart football decisions!

It isnt delusional..

Why is everyone forgetting that Leinart couldnt win the job from, as you put it, the "garbage we have seen". You know the two terrible guys on the roster right now, BEAT OUT LEINART!

He was nothing more than a below average QB who could not win the job. The team, the coaches, the FO, and half the fans never believed in Leinart.

We can only specualte why Leinart was run out of town as you put it but on the other hand you know for a fact it wasnt "smart football decisions." Umm yeah..ok

Reality is WHiz told you why he cut Leinart. All you have to do is take the blinders off and read it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The reality is Matt Leinart will never start another meaningful game in the NFL and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he's not even in the league next year. He's a bad quarterback who earns no respect from his teammates or superiors due to his conduct off the field and his play on it.

This argument sounds eerily similar to the brief era when we had Shaun King and John Navarre starting in place of Josh McCown. Arguing about who sucks the least will not get us anywhere.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't know what to do when the haters of #7 are so out of their gourd even now that he's gone that they don't remember the reality of him: He was an average quarterback.

Is this the same guy that attempted 77 passes last year with zero TDS and 3 INTs. That doesn't sound like average numbers to me. That sounds like similar numbers you were bashing our current QB's on. And just to pile on never has he ever thrown more TDS then INTS in any season.

 

[kerouac9]

It isnt delusional..

Why is everyone forgetting that Leinart couldnt win the job from, as you put it, the "garbage we have seen". You know the two terrible guys on the roster right now, BEAT OUT LEINART!

He was nothing more than a below average QB who could not win the job. The team, the coaches, the FO, and half the fans never believed in Leinart.

We can only specualte why Leinart was run out of town as you put it but on the other hand you know for a fact it wasnt "smart football decisions." Umm yeah..ok

Reality is WHiz told you why he cut Leinart. All you have to do is take the blinders off and read it.

Based on what? Derek Anderson was clearly the inferior QB on the field in the preseason. Max Hall was terrible against anyone who weren't the fourth string of the Washington Redskins. #7 was demoted not because of play on the field ("stats" according to head coach), but because of the "spark" that Derek Anderson (apparently) was able to provide to the offense (the kind of "spark" that arrives when you're playing your first team OL against the opposition's 2nd team defense, apparently).

Whis told us why he cut #7, but that doesn't mean the guy who's only worked with TEs before being a coordinator for a QB who improved after he left made a good decision. The results are obvious on the field.

You're making the argument that #7 somehow regressed after being named the starter in the offseason. That he got worse, significantly worse, in the seven months between the end of 2009 and 2010 training camp. Despite working with Tom Brady and Carson Palmer and doing everything that he could do in the offseason.

Go back to the training camp threads and see that no one thought that #7 was worse than any of the other guys on the depth chart. Most of the time, he was better.

Just because Ken Whisenhunt didn't believe that #7 could succeed doesn't mean that he was right. This was a guy who started Touchdown Tommy Maddox over Ben Roethlisberger before Maddox was injured.

 

[kerouac9]

Is this the same guy that attempted 77 passes last year with zero TDS and 3 INTs. That doesn't sound like average numbers to me. That sounds like similar numbers you were bashing our current QB's on. And just to pile on never has he ever thrown more TDS then INTS in any season.

That's right, WC. If you look back to the Titans game, you can clearly see that #7 is no better than the two bums currently on the roster. Garbage time attempts are deeply meaningful in evaluation of a quarterback.

Go see how Aaron Rogers performed in garbage time reps for the Packers before he was given Brett Favre's job.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Go see how Aaron Rogers performed in garbage time reps for the Packers before he was given Brett Favre's job.

You of course conveniently neglect to mention how Matt's off the field performance weighed in the whole matter.

Josh McCown career QB rating > Matt Leinart career QB rating. Facts are facts, Leinart is about as good or bad of a QB as our old friend Josh.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Based on what? Derek Anderson was clearly the inferior QB on the field in the preseason.

In what way? Leinart looked as bad as a QB could look prior to the "benching". DA looked pretty bad himself but he moved the team occasionally, something Matt apparently had no intention of doing.

Steve

 

[WisconsinCard]

That's right, WC. If you look back to the Titans game, you can clearly see that #7 is no better than the two bums currently on the roster. Garbage time attempts are deeply meaningful in evaluation of a quarterback.

Go see how Aaron Rogers performed in garbage time reps for the Packers before he was given Brett Favre's job.

Titans game??? WOW I was there how many TDS did he throw. Oh ya I remember...NONE!!! Garbage time as you put aren't defenses basicly playing off coverage. Like prevent...Good agrument K9.

All I say is to say" ML is any better then what we have now" is pure speculation. And looking at the past, I speculate we'd be no better off. Then Whis would be an idiot for having him for all these years and not knowing that he sucks.

See how this works speculation can go either way, no one is right and no one is wrong....

 

[82CardsGrad]

Go back to the training camp threads and see that no one thought that #7 was worse than any of the other guys on the depth chart. Most of the time, he was better.

Not so sure about that... Along with myself, there were many other posters here making the case that Max Hall, shockingly, was the best performer in camp.
Heck, if anything, Matty was seen as battling Skelton as the 2nd best performer in camp.

 

[kerouac9]

You of course conveniently neglect to mention how Matt's off the field performance weighed in the whole matter.

Josh McCown career QB rating > Matt Leinart career QB rating. Facts are facts, Leinart is about as good or bad of a QB as our old friend Josh.

Our old friend Josh would have this team at 4-2 right now. That's what I care about.

Seriously, if you want to wave Josh McCown's 0.5 QB rating edge over #7 after 500 more attempts and 15 more career starts, then that's totally up to you. I'm not saying that #7 was guaranteed to be a great quarterback, or even a good one, but the odds are that he wouldn't be worse than the screwups we're currently running out there--if only because he has three years in the current system and we wouldn't have to cut two-thirds of the plays out of our playbook like we have to do for Minimus Hall.

 

[kerouac9]

Not so sure about that... Along with myself, there were many other posters here making the case that Max Hall, shockingly, was the best performer in camp.
Heck, if anything, Matty was seen as battling Skelton as the 2nd best performer in camp.

And that clearly speaks to your discernment for quarterback talent, because Max Hall is terrible.

 

[82CardsGrad]

but the odds are that he wouldn't be worse than the screwups we're currently running out there--if only because he has three years in the current system and we wouldn't have to cut two-thirds of the plays out of our playbook like we have to do for Minimus Hall.

Man is that going out on a limb or what???

 

[82CardsGrad]

And that clearly speaks to your discernment for quarterback talent, because Max Hall is terrible.

Gee... an undrafted rookie is struggling after being on the sidelines for all of 3 games before being tossed into battle where the bullets are live... Does that surprise you??
You made a comment about camp. And in camp, with fake bullets, Max was outplaying Matty. I never said he would be better than Matty this season in live action.
The fact that Max is struggling shouldn't surprise anyone. And to suggest that Matty would be no worse than Max or DA is, well, at minimum all you need to know about Matty...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Our old friend Josh would have this team at 4-2 right now. That's what I care about.

Seriously, if you want to wave Josh McCown's 0.5 QB rating edge over #7 after 500 more attempts and 15 more career starts, then that's totally up to you. I'm not saying that #7 was guaranteed to be a great quarterback, or even a good one, but the odds are that he wouldn't be worse than the screwups we're currently running out there--if only because he has three years in the current system and we wouldn't have to cut two-thirds of the plays out of our playbook like we have to do for Minimus Hall.

Eh, Josh and Matt would probably have us where the DA/Hall trainwreck are but whatever. They all suck, I'm not going to continue debating the merits of a turd sandwich versus a piss burrito.

My point isn't to laud McCown (although his QB rating would've been more than .5 higher if he only had same numbers as Matt, he started bombing out once he joined the Raiders laughingstock) but to suggest that pining for ML is the definition of insanity. The guy sucks, let's be productive and discuss ways to make this team better with the current bums or how we will address the position going forward. The latter being the most interesting as we'd still be having the QBotF debate even if Matt was still on the team.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Based on what? Derek Anderson was clearly the inferior QB on the field in the preseason. Max Hall was terrible against anyone who weren't the fourth string of the Washington Redskins. #7 was demoted not because of play on the field ("stats" according to head coach), but because of the "spark" that Derek Anderson (apparently) was able to provide to the offense (the kind of "spark" that arrives when you're playing your first team OL against the opposition's 2nd team defense, apparently).

Whis told us why he cut #7, but that doesn't mean the guy who's only worked with TEs before being a coordinator for a QB who improved after he left made a good decision. The results are obvious on the field.

You're making the argument that #7 somehow regressed after being named the starter in the offseason. That he got worse, significantly worse, in the seven months between the end of 2009 and 2010 training camp. Despite working with Tom Brady and Carson Palmer and doing everything that he could do in the offseason.

Go back to the training camp threads and see that no one thought that #7 was worse than any of the other guys on the depth chart. Most of the time, he was better.

Just because Ken Whisenhunt didn't believe that #7 could succeed doesn't mean that he was right. This was a guy who started Touchdown Tommy Maddox over Ben Roethlisberger before Maddox was injured.

See my post to you ont he other thread. That is why he was "run out of town" I dont want to rewrite the whole post but essentially:

1. Team, coaches didnt believe in him
2. Whined and complained and felt entitled to the job, along with off-field antics.
3. Had previous chance to win the job but couldnt
4. I beleive that the only thing holding Whiz back from cutting him last year was the FO.

Make no mistake, I am in total agreement on cutting him. Where I am pissed is that our options are DA and Hall. And I frankly dont know who to blame that one...whiz or the FO?

 

[Dayman]

Turnovers have obviously killed the team so far this year. The Cards lead the league in giveaways, and many, including Whis, have said that is a major reason they are underachieving.

Leinart has 23 turnovers in his career. Hall and Anderson already have 15 through seven games. It's nearly impossible to have a winning record when your QBs turn the ball over more than twice per game on average. Unless you can say that Leinart would have started turning the ball over considerably more than he has throughout his career, I don't see how he wouldn't have been a better option than what we have now.

 

[Duckjake]

The reality is Matt Leinart will never start another meaningful game in the NFL and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he's not even in the league next year. He's a bad quarterback who earns no respect from his teammates or superiors due to his conduct off the field and his play on it.

This argument sounds eerily similar to the brief era when we had Shaun King and John Navarre starting in place of Josh McCown. Arguing about who sucks the least will not get us anywhere.

True but really sad. A #10 pick in the first round and 4 years of development potential wasted.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Matt Leinart doesn't win the game for us against the Rams. Hell, if DA was starting against both the Bucs and Seahawks than we might've come out with wins.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Matt Leinart doesn't win the game for us against the Rams. Hell, if DA was starting against both the Bucs and Seahawks than we might've come out with wins.

LMFAO. Get real. You act as if DA did anything to win the Rams game or any game so far. Leinart on HIS WORST DAY looks better than these clowns, but thsi is what the head coach wanted. He is everyone's hero so what he says goes no matter what the consequences..

 

[WarnerHOF]

LMFAO. Get real. You act as if DA did anything to win the Rams game or any game so far. Leinart on HIS WORST DAY looks better than these clowns, but thsi is what the head coach wanted. He is everyone's hero so what he says goes no matter what the consequences..

LMFAO...the thought that Captain Checkdown can convert a 2nd and 20 for the game winning TD against the Rams is laughable. DA actually played decently in the game, the fumbles in Rams territory by other players were what kept the game close.

Of course Leinart on his worst day is better. I'll just leave you with this.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81576b22/Packers-33-Cardinals-7

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If Leinart was as good as some on here think ... someone like Shanahan or even his old college coach would have made a move for him by now. He wouldn't be 3rd string...riding the pine.

 

[azsouthendzone]

LMFAO...the thought that Captain Checkdown can convert a 2nd and 20 for the game winning TD against the Rams is laughable. DA actually played decently in the game, the fumbles in Rams territory by other players were what kept the game close.

Of course Leinart on his worst day is better. I'll just leave you with this.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81576b22/Packers-33-Cardinals-7

Leinart got beat in week 17 as a backup, with no game plan, nothing on the line vs the Packers who went all out. Point taken.

Funny how quick you forget that San Diego game that I drove 5 hours to see a few weeks ago to go get a sunburn and the game vs Atlanta. Two of the worst defeats in recent memory. Those were classics.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Leinart got beat in week 17 as a backup, with no game plan, nothing on the line vs the Packers who went all out. Point taken.

Funny how quick you forget that San Diego game that I drove 5 hours to see a few weeks ago to go get a sunburn and the game vs Atlanta. Two of the worst defeats in recent memory. Those were classics.

Leinart still made some laughables throws in the game just like every other game he subbed in for in 09. No first round QB who's fighting bust status should play like that. What's more funny is that Leinart couldn't even manage to throw 1 TD against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in his only start last year.

DA played very bad against San Diego and Atlanta but I would also love to see Matt Leinart compete in a shootout against Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers. Let's face it, no QB below elite status was going to win those games with the way the defense was playing.