Give me ANYTHING, that convinces me that Kolb has more upside than Skelton

[Chopper0080]

Skelton came from behind in his last two played games. The offensive game plan tried to rely on running and it took Skelton to open things up. He needs game experience, but he simply does not get flustered.

That aspect of his game did impress me. He might develop into a good QB, but he isn't close right now.

 

[WisconsinCard]

"Lear" to spell...

We traded to get a QB who has much better skills than Skelton, but one that would have to adjust to a totally different offensive system. This is Skelton's 2nd year in the same system, so he should be more comfortable than a guy who has had a couple months to learn it, develop chemistry, and try and re-work 3 years of developed habits..

Ok now aI get it your a KK backer. And what exactly has he done? Oh ya 7 starts one win

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I hope Skelton, or Kolb, develop into a reliable starter but the Rams clearly were concentrating on stopping the run, and were very succesful at it. Teams dodn't do that as much with Kolb behind center.

 

[Duckjake]

"Lear" to spell...

We traded to get a QB who has much better skills than Skelton, but one that would have to adjust to a totally different offensive system. This is Skelton's 2nd year in the same system, so he should be more comfortable than a guy who has had a couple months to learn it, develop chemistry, and try and re-work 3 years of developed habits..

He does? I wonder where he's hiding them. We traded DRC and a 2nd round pick for an average QB who is a slow learner? We already had 5 of those.

Stupid Cardinals.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ok now aI get it your a KK backer. And what exactly has he done? Oh ya 7 starts one win

I truly don't care whether Kolb or Skelton is better, or if we draft a QB. I want to see production, and I didn't see better production from Skelton today.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I truly don't care whether Kolb or Skelton is better, or if we draft a QB. I want to see production, and I didn't see better production from Skelton today.

That I will agree with but with the same we didnt need to trade for what we already had.

 

[Chopper0080]

He does? I wonder where he's hiding them. We traded DRC and a 2nd round pick for an average QB who is a slow learner? We already had 5 of those.

Stupid Cardinals.

I find it funny that people really ignore the difficulty of reworking mechanics and building chemistry on the fly. It's not about being slow, but it is about changing your natural reactions. It is easier to build from nothing than to relearn years of repetitions.

I can't say that Kolb will be our future at QB, but I can say that it would be stupid to not give him a full offseason to rework his mechanics to fit this offense and blocking scheme rather than the one in Philly.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't even think there's a question that Kolb reads defense better and is more accurate. That's not to say,over time, that Skelton becomes more adept at reading D's. But, at this point, it would even be hard for phrazbit to argue against that. BUt, then again, he may try.

Really?

I know youre referring to our debate the other day, and my point is still obviously correct. No one wanted Kolb. Is there a fesable team that was actually in pursuit? Unless you want to claim that the Dolphins were interested and that somehow no one knew it, then we were the only ones trying to trade for Kolb.

And yes, Kolb is more accurate right now. At least statistically. If all Skelton did was throw 5 yard passes and never look downfield then their passing % would probably be much closer together. And as for reading defenses, neither of them do it well at the moment. Kolb sucks at it, Skelton MIGHT be slightly worse.

And if you want to count "reading the blitz" as part of reading a defense, then Skelton is already worlds ahead of Kolb.

 

[Phrazbit]

Fleeced???? Really??? DRC doesnt see the field much for them, never know who the pick turns out to be. Right now it's pretty even the pick may be the unequalizer...

Yes, fleeced. DRC is playing behind TWO all-pros, and even if he is only a nickleback, then I would STILL rather have a nickle corner and a 2nd round pick than a 60 million dollar back-up QB.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I find it funny that people really ignore the difficulty of reworking mechanics and building chemistry on the fly. It's not about being slow, but it is about changing your natural reactions. It is easier to build from nothing than to relearn years of repetitions.

I can't say that Kolb will be our future at QB, but I can say that it would be stupid to not give him a full offseason to rework his mechanics to fit this offense and blocking scheme rather than the one in Philly.

Philly's offensive philosophy, was for the QB to run backwards 15 yards THEN attempt a pass?

I guess I haven't seen a lot of Philly games the last few years.

 

[Chopper0080]

That I will agree with but with the same we didnt need to trade for what we already had.

I regret the 2nd round pick more than DRC...

I will give Kolb until the end of next season until I render judgment. That being said, the new rookie cap makes drafting a 1st round QB a much better investment, and I think it would be prudent to consider unless Kolb really improves over the rest of the year.

 

[Chopper0080]

Philly's offensive philosophy, was for the QB to run backwards 15 yards THEN attempt a pass?

I guess I haven't seen a lot of Philly games the last few years.

The built in escape route for the QB in Philly's blocking scheme is back and around because they value athletic QB's. Our built in escape route is up in the pocket and between the OT and OG. That is what you saw today w/ Skelton. Our tackles give up the outside rather than the inside. Philly's tackles give up inside pressure rather than outside pressure allowing their QB's to roll out of the pocket.

 

[Phrazbit]

I regret the 2nd round pick more than DRC...

I will give Kolb until the end of next season until I render judgment. That being said, the new rookie cap makes drafting a 1st round QB a much better investment, and I think it would be prudent to consider unless Kolb really improves over the rest of the year.

I would rather let the QB who looks like he has far more potential get the chance to improve the rest of the year. And that aint Kolb.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would rather let the QB who looks like he has far more potential get the chance to improve the rest of the year. And that aint Kolb.

And I saw nothing today that makes me believe your statement is true.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The built in escape route for the QB in Philly's blocking scheme is back and around because they value athletic QB's. Our built in escape route is up in the pocket and between the OT and OG. That is what you saw today w/ Skelton. Our tackles give up the outside rather than the inside. Philly's tackles give up inside pressure rather than outside pressure allowing their QB's to roll out of the pocket.

Quit making sense.

Kolb is the worst QB ever. We were fleeced and no one else had any interest in him. He's so bad,I'm sure if he was cut, nobody would even look at him. It was obvious he stunk in Philly. I know of at least 2 people who have said so.

 

[Phrazbit]

The built in escape route for the QB in Philly's blocking scheme is back and around because they value athletic QB's. Our built in escape route is up in the pocket and between the OT and OG. That is what you saw today w/ Skelton. Our tackles give up the outside rather than the inside. Philly's tackles give up inside pressure rather than outside pressure allowing their QB's to roll out of the pocket.

And yet Kolb's pocket presence was lamented in Philidelphia, his numbers were bad in Philly, and despite preseason and 7 games he somehow hasnt figured out to step forward and not run right into the pressure.

Kolb has given no indication that he has potential to be anything more than a backup.

 

[Duckjake]

I find it funny that people really ignore the difficulty of reworking mechanics and building chemistry on the fly. It's not about being slow, but it is about changing your natural reactions. It is easier to build from nothing than to relearn years of repetitions.

I can't say that Kolb will be our future at QB, but I can say that it would be stupid to not give him a full offseason to rework his mechanics to fit this offense and blocking scheme rather than the one in Philly.

Chopper you make the trade sound more ridiculous than I did. Why would you trade a pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for a QB who is such a poor fit for your system that he almost has to learn how to play QB all over again?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This game only told me that neither should be the starter next year.

Ding ding ding. Skelton sucks. WTF was the OP watching? My guess is he had this thread typed out all week and was just waiting to hit return after the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Quit making sense.

Kolb is the worst QB ever. We were fleeced and no one else had any interest in him. He's so bad,I'm sure if he was cut, nobody would even look at him. It was obvious he stunk in Philly. I know of at least 2 people who have said so.

Skelton does step up more than Kolb but after watching the 2 safeties(I didn't see that part live was watching UCLA's exhibition basketball game) I don't get the has superior pocket presence stuff.

The first sack he stood in the endzone while the one guy who crossed the LOS for the rams essentially crawled to him grabbed his leg and got the sack. Never moved, never looked I don't know if he knew the guy was there.

The 2nd sack he BACKED UP into the endzone then tried to outrun the defender who had the edge on him and when he wasn't making it threw it out of the endzone sideways for the penalty. So yeah he'll stand tall in the pocket, even when that's the last thing you should be doing.

But he hasn't played in awhile so some rust can be expected.

First part of the game was just like last year dink dink dink punt. He must have gone downfield more later. When I turned back in he at least had topped 200 yards for the first time in his career.

I guess he looked better to me than last year but not much.

He does step up in the pocket better but that's really all he does better than Kolb so far.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Let's be honest - they both suck.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Really?

I know youre referring to our debate the other day, and my point is still obviously correct. No one wanted Kolb. Is there a fesable team that was actually in pursuit? Unless you want to claim that the Dolphins were interested and that somehow no one knew it, then we were the only ones trying to trade for Kolb.

I'm not referring to that. I already proved my point in that one.

 

[ajcardfan]

Hey, I'm as happy as all get out that we won the game. But, trying to make any sort of emphatic statement about Skelton having more promise than Kolb based on that game is a real stretch. It's kind of like the Dallas game last year. You can't let one drive, out of the entire game, color your judgment.

I'm far from certain that either Kolb or Skelton can be a top half of the NFL QB. I think it's more likely that they are always on the margin, like a Josh McCown, for a long time. Just enough potential to tease, not enough to deliver.

 

[40yearfan]

Skelton does step up more than Kolb but after watching the 2 safeties(I didn't see that part live was watching UCLA's exhibition basketball game) I don't get the has superior pocket presence stuff.

The first sack he stood in the endzone while the one guy who crossed the LOS for the rams essentially crawled to him grabbed his leg and got the sack. Never moved, never looked I don't know if he knew the guy was there.

The 2nd sack he BACKED UP into the endzone then tried to outrun the defender who had the edge on him and when he wasn't making it threw it out of the endzone sideways for the penalty. So yeah he'll stand tall in the pocket, even when that's the last thing you should be doing.

But he hasn't played in awhile so some rust can be expected.

First part of the game was just like last year dink dink dink punt. He must have gone downfield more later. When I turned back in he at least had topped 200 yards for the first time in his career.

I guess he looked better to me than last year but not much.

He does step up in the pocket better but that's really all he does better than Kolb so far.

Skelton did pull out a win and that is a major plus in my book.

Is it just me, or did the whole team seem like it played harder today? They didn't quit in the 4th quarter like they usually do. I think it was because of the 4th quarter drive where we scored a TD. We haven't been able to do much of that in the past 6 games.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Hey, I'm as happy as all get out that we won the game. But, trying to make any sort of emphatic statement about Skelton having more promise than Kolb based on that game is a real stretch. It's kind of like the Dallas game last year. You can't let one drive, out of the entire game, color your judgment.

I'm far from certain that either Kolb or Skelton can be a top half of the NFL QB. I think it's more likely that they are always on the margin, like a Josh McCown, for a long time. Just enough potential to tease, not enough to deliver.

Yep, I had some major McCown flashbacks today. Eerily similar to Skelton.

 

[Paso Fino]

Many people here don't believe it but if Skelton were cut tomorrow there would be a feeding frenzy by other teams to sign him.
He has so much more potential than Kolb.