Glazer

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't think one person is going to stop it, the only way to stop it is for the team to start winning and this is the worst week of the season for this to be happening to the team. Does anyone think this may be because of Edge?
This stuff started, apparently, after Edge called out the coaches to the media and made it seem okay to undermine the staff. Edge seems to be the leder of the team and he isn't setting a good example.

Possibly. That is a pretty good point. That would be very frustrating if it were true. I don't know if Edge has had a past of being a problem in the locker room.

Going with that thought, I remember a couple of Seahawks players that made it a point to say that the locker room was much better after they had changed some personel. Two of those players who were let go were Okeafor, and Huff. I definately can NOT say it is true since names were never mentioned but they were in fact part of the "group" that were let go the year before the Seahawks went to the Superbowl.

The Cardinals were so devoid of talent before Green got here that I didn't care who they brought in as long as they could play. Now that I see where that has gotten us and it seems character has a lot to do with winning football games.

 

[ajcardfan]

Possibly. That is a pretty good point. That would be very frustrating if it were true. I don't know if Edge has had a past of being a problem in the locker room.

Going with that thought, I remember a couple of Seahawks players that made it a point to say that the locker room was much better after they had changed some personel. Two of those players who were let go were Okeafor, and Huff. I definately can NOT say it is true since names were never mentioned but they were in fact part of the "group" that were let go the year before the Seahawks went to the Superbowl.

The Cardinals were so devoid of talent before Green got here that I didn't care who they brought in as long as they could play. Now that I see where that has gotten us and it seems character has a lot to do with winning football games.

I read a quote from Billy Beane a couple of weeks ago on "team chemistry" that I thought was pretty good.

"When you're winning, everybody is a great guy. When you're losing, even Tom Hanks would piss you off."

 

[Big Deal]

Say what you want about Coach rah rah McGinnis, but one thing he never did was lose the team. My patience for the Denny Green era is about over. Somebody call ESPN and order a supersized re-enforced fat guy desk chair.... big papa is coming home

We are not losing games 49 - 7.

On the Glazer deal, Dale Hellastrae (sp) on 12 sports who is usually very anti cardinal said that he knew a little about the Glazer report and had said Glazer makes a living out of making controversy and that he was off base.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think one person is going to stop it, the only way to stop it is for the team to start winning and this is the worst week of the season for this to be happening to the team. Does anyone think this may be because of Edge?
This stuff started, apparently, after Edge called out the coaches to the media and made it seem okay to undermine the staff. Edge seems to be the leder of the team and he isn't setting a good example.

**Ahem** Someone was warning about Edge becoming an issue if the season started slow for him. It's not like this was unexpected.

 

[Card Trader]

**Ahem** Someone was warning about Edge becoming an issue if the season started slow for him. It's not like this was unexpected.

Wow, you sure are assuming a lot at this point.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

**Ahem** Someone was warning about Edge becoming an issue if the season started slow for him. It's not like this was unexpected.

So the Defense is not getting along its Edge's Fault!?

 

[D-Dogg]

We are not losing games 49 - 7.

On the Glazer deal, Dale Hellastrae (sp) on 12 sports who is usually very anti cardinal said that he knew a little about the Glazer report and had said Glazer makes a living out of making controversy and that he was off base.

Yeah, when that big oaf is backing up the Cardinals on something, you have to be convinced he isn't just pulling it out of his butt. The dude HATES to say good things about the Cards and when he said basically that the Glazer report is pretty much BS, I dismissed the Glazer report immediately.

 

[BigRedArk]

So the Defense is not getting along its Edge's Fault!?

I think what K9 is talking about is the he had concerns that if Edge started to have a rough season and we were losing that he may become a disruptive force or that he may become a distraction on the team due to the fact that he wouldn't be used to losing. Words to that effect.

 

[vinnymac]

i think berry is still feeling the effects from knee surgery. he had a season ending knee injury and it takes a while for a player to get back to his old self. then again berry isn't getting younger eithier. i know one thing the cardinals need to get their stuff together and start playing football. if things are getting out of control green needs to step in and get it solved. it is time to get this season turned around and a win againist the bears would get this party started.

 

[ajcardfan]

i think berry is still feeling the effects from knee surgery. he had a season ending knee injury and it takes a while for a player to get back to his old self. then again berry isn't getting younger eithier. i know one thing the cardinals need to get their stuff together and start playing football. if things are getting out of control green needs to step in and get it solved. it is time to get this season turned around and a win againist the bears would get this party started.

Berry tore a pectoral muscle, he didn't hurt his knee.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

So the Defense is not getting along its Edge's Fault!?

It's always the running back's fault in Cardinal land.

It was Hearst's fault
It was Jones fault
It was emmit's fault

and now Edge's fault.

 

[Bobcat]

it might be time for a new coaching staff....again....

If we start to keep on thinking this way with revolving coaching staffs every 3 to 4 years this franchise will never progress. We need more continuity, not a revovling door policy.

BOBCAT

 

[Cheesebeef]

If we start to keep on thinking this way with revolving coaching staffs every 3 to 4 years this franchise will never progress. We need more continuity, not a revovling door policy.

BOBCAT

yes, we need to continue employing HCs who continually who have us out of the playoff race by mid-October. I just can't understand this line of reasoning.

ever think that it's not the time-frame that's the problem, but it's the horrific coaches we continue to hire that's the problem? Naw, that couldn't be.

 

[ajcardfan]

yes, we need to continue employing HCs who continually who have us out of the playoff race by mid-October. I just can't understand this line of reasoning.

ever think that it's not the time-frame that's the problem, but it's the horrific coaches we continue to hire that's the problem? Naw, that couldn't be.

Funny how those "horrific" coaches were all pretty good until they coached here, isn't it? Ever think that maybe the coaches are not the problem, but the franchise?

 

[JasonKGME]

Massively overrated. I've been saying for awhile now that Pendy is the Green Era version of Jerry Sullivan, another guy who got way more credit than he deserved because of head coaching and front office incompetence. I always get a laugh when people insist he is head coach material considering his defenses the last couple years are below average at best.

And to borrow a line from Walter Mitchell - Green Must Go.

Over-rated? Below average?

2005 stats:

Ranked 8th overall defense. (but 8 out of 32 is of course below average)
Ranked 10th against the run last year.
Ranked 12th against the pass last year.

All of course while missing: Bertrand Berry for half the year, Antrell Rolle for 11 games, Gerald Hayes for the entire year, james Darling for 2 games, Calvin Pace for 11 games, Karlos Dansby for a game, and Russell Davis for 13 games. So even with all the injuries on the defense, Pendy was able to still get the defense ranked in the top 10, but of course we were below average and Over-rated for the below average team.

 

[azsouthendzone]

It's always the running back's fault in Cardinal land.

It was Hearst's fault
It was Jones fault
It was emmit's fault

and now Edge's fault.

Maybe Emmitt really had something left in the tank after all.

 

[ajcardfan]

Maybe Emmitt really had something left in the tank after all.

To gain as many yards as he did and score as many TDs as he did....yeah. He still had some game, that line was just as bad as what we have now.l

 

[AZCB34]

FWIW, Jurecki says he did confirm Glazer's story as true.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Over-rated? Below average?

2005 stats:

Ranked 8th overall defense. (but 8 out of 32 is of course below average)
Ranked 10th against the run last year.
Ranked 12th against the pass last year.

All of course while missing: Bertrand Berry for half the year, Antrell Rolle for 11 games, Gerald Hayes for the entire year, james Darling for 2 games, Calvin Pace for 11 games, Karlos Dansby for a game, and Russell Davis for 13 games. So even with all the injuries on the defense, Pendy was able to still get the defense ranked in the top 10, but of course we were below average and Over-rated for the below average team.

In yardage. What were we in points per game? Red Zone efficiency? Turnovers?

And how's our defense so far this year?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Funny how those "horrific" coaches were all pretty good until they coached here, isn't it? Ever think that maybe the coaches are not the problem, but the franchise?

it's both - Stallings was a good coach and we fired him - Bugel was a position coach and never proved he could be a head coach and proved that again in Oakland, Buddy Ryan's time had passed him by as people figured out his defense, Tobin was a decent coach, Mac was neve anything special at any level and it's pretty obvious that the game has passed DG by as well.

AJ - are saying that we should stick with coaches who keep putting abominations on the field just for continuity sake? that just doesn't make sense to me.

yes, we have a horrific franchise and our FO people have problems a) finding good candidates and b) giving what end up being bad candidates the talent necessary to win, so yes, ultimately it all resides on the FO, but that doesn't mean that when the FO recognizes it's initial mistake of a bad hire (again), that they should sit through it and allow the guy to keep coaching.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

When bringing up defensive stats and rankings, people tend to forget how horrible our special teams have been and that we probably had the worst defensive starting position in the league. So, if our opponent got a kick or punt return to our 40 and they scored on that drive, not only does it show that we "held" them to 40 yards on that drive, but it also skews the time of possession. Despite what the stats say, our D has been below average....

 

[Cheesebeef]

Over-rated? Below average?

2005 stats:

Ranked 8th overall defense. (but 8 out of 32 is of course below average)
Ranked 10th against the run last year.
Ranked 12th against the pass last year.

All of course while missing: Bertrand Berry for half the year, Antrell Rolle for 11 games, Gerald Hayes for the entire year, james Darling for 2 games, Calvin Pace for 11 games, Karlos Dansby for a game, and Russell Davis for 13 games. So even with all the injuries on the defense, Pendy was able to still get the defense ranked in the top 10, but of course we were below average and Over-rated for the below average team.

I love that people say the Bears O/D is a mirage but then bring up this stout D which was a sieve last year and tout pound their chests about our #8 ranking - uh folks - that ranking WAS THE MIRAGE.

I love that you throw in Clavin Pace in there - as if his presence ont he field means anything... and yoou do know the Cardinals don't play football in a vacuum right? All tteams have injuries.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

PS - That's not to say there aren't moments of brilliance, but the overall picture just ain't as pretty as we'd like it to be....

 

[blindseyed]

I'm not surprised, DG lost control of his players in MN, too.
I always tried to be hopeful with DG but now it seems my hope is diminishing yet again.
As far as getting a new HC and having to wait 3 years to win? Look at what the HC in NO is doing....the Saints are looking pretty good. It can be done but it won't here until there's a change at the top.

 

[ajcardfan]

AJ - are saying that we should stick with coaches who keep putting abominations on the field just for continuity sake? that just doesn't make sense to me.

No, I think we should fire Green only if we can hire an obvious upgrade and the rest of this season finishes like it has begun. At the very least, make a commitment to the next coach that we don't sit on millions of cap space and pass over players they want. I think the worst thing to happen to the team this year was Graves saying the Cards "are not one or two players away." Do you think the team didn't pick up on that message? I think they heard it loud and clear and it just confirmed the acceptance of losing that is the real plague of this franchise.

How about the front office actually fully support a coach and not undercut him with stupid comments? Then, for once, we might know we're making a change that means something rather than just announcing a new captain for a sinking ship.