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[AZCB34]

It can be done but it won't here until there's a change at the top.

See, I disagree with this. A change at the top isn't crucial to actually putting a winning team on the field. There just has to be an understanding of what you are dealing with and then make the proper choices within that framework. If the Cards want to be $10 million under the cap every year going into the season, then that is the reality adn the personnel guys must make adjustments in how they do business as it pertains to improving the team.

Even though I thought the Edge signing was good at the time (I think it is questionable right now on alot of different levels), signing him did cause an issue moving forward trying to improve other ares. The money for him should have been spread out over alot of different areas instead of on one guy. A team doesn;t have to bring in the top FA OL to improve. A team can spread the money out and bring in guys who will mesh well and then average individual OL will become a very good OL as a unit.

The Cards should not be trying to "make a big splash" in FA by getting a huge name FA but they should be spreading the wealth across alot of players knowing the Fo wants to hold back $10 million in cap space to re-sign players (re-signing players from losing teams mind you) and in case of injuries.

EDIT: A good example of this theory is the Minnesota Twins or Oakland A's...year after year, their GM's are handcuffed by cheap ownership yet they manage to make it work and make the playoffs.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

One can only imagine what happens during the offensive meetings.

I like Green but it seems he has no control over this team. Even though this is not really proven source you cannot deny what is seen on the field every week. This team looks like a team that has no leader, and is out of control.

But if Green is let go then who comes in to try and turn this organization around?

Is there anyone that can stop this downward spiral?

Matt Leinart is a good start. Now we need to get a good coach and some more players. Maybe we can be next years Saints. Did you guys see Merriweather stomping on the guy during that fight the other night? Maybe he slips to us in the second round now and Denny picks him up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No, I think we should fire Green only if we can hire an obvious upgrade and the rest of this season finishes like it has begun. At the very least, make a commitment to the next coach that we don't sit on millions of cap space and pass over players they want. I think the worst thing to happen to the team this year was Graves saying the Cards "are not one or two players away." Do you think the team didn't pick up on that message? I think they heard it loud and clear and it just confirmed the acceptance of losing that is the real plague of this franchise.

How about the front office actually fully support a coach and not undercut him with stupid comments? Then, for once, we might know we're making a change that means something rather than just announcing a new captain for a sinking ship.

oh, I can agree with the above as well - our FO is as much of a joke as DG's cooaching.

 

[Wild Card]

oh, I can agree with the above as well - our FO is as much of a joke as DG's coaching.

CB:

Coaching? Is that what Dennis Green does?

WC

 

[JasonKGME]

In yardage. What were we in points per game? Red Zone efficiency? Turnovers?

And how's our defense so far this year?

Points per game ranked 27th (bad ranking, but does include special teams scroes against the defense, passing scoring we ranked 6th, rushing scoring we ranked 30th, and offensive TD's/special teams TD's accounted for 15% of the scoring against the team)
3rd down efficiency ranked 4th (good ranking)
Red Zone Defense (couldn't find on nfl.com if you have a different site I can check would be happy to)
Turnovers ranked 21st defensively (unfortunatly offensively we ranked 4th, which brings down the points per game rating)
Penalties committed by the defense ranked 6th (good ranking, one of the least penalized defenses in the league)
4th down efficience ranked 9th (good ranking)
yards per play given up average ranked 17th

 

[kerouac9]

Points per game ranked 27th (bad ranking, but does include special teams scroes against the defense, passing scoring we ranked 6th, rushing scoring we ranked 30th, and offensive TD's/special teams TD's accounted for 15% of the scoring against the team)
3rd down efficiency ranked 4th (good ranking)
Red Zone Defense (couldn't find on nfl.com if you have a different site I can check would be happy to)
Turnovers ranked 21st defensively (unfortunatly offensively we ranked 4th, which brings down the points per game rating)
Penalties committed by the defense ranked 6th (good ranking, one of the least penalized defenses in the league)
4th down efficience ranked 9th (good ranking)
yards per play given up average ranked 17th

FootballOutsiders.com has a great ranking of NFL defenses that contextualizes all of those aspects into one mega-ranking. According to them, Arizona's defense last season was a stunning 22.

Basically, our rating last season was high because we didn't give a lot of yards because our opponents didn't have to gain a lot of yards to score. But the defense was mostly toothless, especially against the run.

 

[JeffGollin]

If MJ and Glazer say the incident occurred, then it probably did.

But that doesn't mean their take as to why it happened (& what it means) is accurate.

Prideful players bitch a lot when they're losing. Although, it would be helpful if this didn't happen, this does not make them bad players or bad people. Nor does it necessarily mean that DG "has lost control of the team." (This is their interpretation).

In my opinion, we're losing because we make mistakes about 7% of the time (and, given our talent level, we can't win consistently unless we reduce the incidence of those miscues down to about 3 or 4%). We're that-close.

Everybody has to pitch in - whether it's making the downfield block, holding a block one second longer, avoiding false start penalties, staying in the proper lane on special teams, not dropping a catchable pass, holding outside contain, maintaining gap discipline, wrapping up on tackles, not blowing coverage assignment, picking up blitzes etc. - there's plenty of room for improvement everywhere.

The time for reflection and criticism is after the season and not when we're trying to bail out the proverbial boat. If the players panic and let their frustrations get the better of them, the ship will sink.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

If MJ and Glazer say the incident occurred, then it probably did.

But that doesn't mean their take as to why it happened (& what it means) is accurate.

Prideful players bitch a lot when they're losing. Although, it would be helpful if this didn't happen, this does not make them bad players or bad people. Nor does it necessarily mean that DG "has lost control of the team." (This is their interpretation).

In my opinion, we're losing because we make mistakes about 7% of the time (and, given our talent level, we can't win consistently unless we reduce the incidence of those miscues down to about 3 or 4%). We're that-close.

Everybody has to pitch in - whether it's making the downfield block, holding a block one second longer, avoiding false start penalties, staying in the proper lane on special teams, not dropping a catchable pass, holding outside contain, maintaining gap discipline, wrapping up on tackles, not blowing coverage assignment, picking up blitzes etc. - there's plenty of room for improvement everywhere.

The time for reflection and criticism is after the season and not when we're trying to bail out the proverbial boat. If the players panic and let their frustrations get the better of them, the ship will sink.

I agree, these players are frustrated because they should be 3-2 but because of player miscues, penalties, and bonehead play calling they are 1-4 soon to be 1-5.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

announcing a new captain for a sinking ship.

Hold on. This organization is not a sinking ship.

The ship sunk looooong ago. We have to find someone who can pull it from the bottom of the ocean, and fix it.

Maybe if the Bidwills sell their souls to the devil we could get Bill Walsh out of retirement. Anything short of that won't be able to get this organization were it needs to be.

 

[cdex99]

If MJ and Glazer say the incident occurred, then it probably did.

But that doesn't mean their take as to why it happened (& what it means) is accurate.

Prideful players bitch a lot when they're losing. Although, it would be helpful if this didn't happen, this does not make them bad players or bad people. Nor does it necessarily mean that DG "has lost control of the team." (This is their interpretation).

In my opinion, we're losing because we make mistakes about 7% of the time (and, given our talent level, we can't win consistently unless we reduce the incidence of those miscues down to about 3 or 4%). We're that-close.

Everybody has to pitch in - whether it's making the downfield block, holding a block one second longer, avoiding false start penalties, staying in the proper lane on special teams, not dropping a catchable pass, holding outside contain, maintaining gap discipline, wrapping up on tackles, not blowing coverage assignment, picking up blitzes etc. - there's plenty of room for improvement everywhere.

The time for reflection and criticism is after the season and not when we're trying to bail out the proverbial boat. If the players panic and let their frustrations get the better of them, the ship will sink.

I feel a lot better after reading this. Seriously.

With all the dissappointment that this season has already brought, I was wondering whether I should go tonight or just sell my tickets and watch it at home.

Granted, if this report is true, then this could not have come at a worse time. I hope that we have players that will take this negative and make it into a positive.

But the way this thing has been reported, my heart just sank. This season has not been fun. Not by a long shot. For me, I think it has something to do with being the same old disappointment they have always been. I guess I truely believed that this was the year that the Cards were going to show everyone that they were for real.

So reading what Jeff had to say gave me a little bit of hope. Sure this could have happened, but why it happened is up in the air. I think everyone is beyond frustration, yet it does not mean that this team is out of control.

Maybe this will shake Denny out of whatever he's been in. Maybe this will fire the players up. Maybe the team uses this as motivation.

Of course, there is always a flip side to that coin...

 

[Cheesebeef]

In my opinion, we're losing because we make mistakes about 7% of the time (and, given our talent level, we can't win consistently unless we reduce the incidence of those miscues down to about 3 or 4%). We're that-close.

almost every bad team in the league (save the Raiders/Texans) can make this claim. Not being able to win close games is the sign of a bad team. The good teams are the ones who play within themselves and don't make mistakes. We're not one of them.

 

[RedViper]

Oh, he lost them. They liked each other and they loved Mac. But, they were even more lost than the team we have now. They weren't fighting with each other and the coaches, but they just rolled over on the field.

Exactly. What's it mean to lose the team anyway? To mean when you are getting completely blown off the field by garbage teams like Cleveland and SF, the way the 03 Cards were, you've lost the team. No matter what the players say or do. They are lost. If they can't even show up to a game like that, the coach has lost the team. You lose 55-10 to the Niners, you aren't a team anymore.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I find it real hard to believe that Berry walked out of a meeting .. if he did then we are in deeper trouble than I thought ..

 

[Mrh182]

Sal Pal on Sportscenter just reported that the "rumors" surrounding this issue were because Pendergast showed tape of the Johnson 78 yard run, called out Griffith for missing the coverage, and he took offense to it.

Just raised voices, no "bumping into eachother", and everything has been ironed out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

maybe the report is a good thing.Look at what Owens and the Cowboys did after he argued with their coach. Cards 27 Bears 13.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sal Pal on Sportscenter just reported that the "rumors" surrounding this issue were because Pendergast showed tape of the Johnson 78 yard run, called out Griffith for missing the coverage, and he took offense to it.

Just raised voices, no "bumping into eachother", and everything has been ironed out.

In that case wouldn't you think a veteran Safety would realize that's what film sessions are for? How can you fix a situation if you can't point out what CAUSED it in the first place?

Sheesh.

 

[azmike74]

Sal Pal on Sportscenter just reported that the "rumors" surrounding this issue were because Pendergast showed tape of the Johnson 78 yard run, called out Griffith for missing the coverage, and he took offense to it.

Just raised voices, no "bumping into eachother", and everything has been ironed out.

If this is true, I see no problem with calling a player out. If I screw up at work, I damn sure get called on it, these guys should too. Griffith should have manned up and had enough integrity to admit his screwup IMHO. (if this report is true of course )

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Griffith was probably making an excuse like he was being held(very likley after seeing replays) and Clancy didn't want or is tired of hearing excuses. Just go make play when it's needed.

 

[Mulli]

Griffith was probably making an excuse like he was being held(very likley after seeing replays) and Clancy didn't want or is tired of hearing excuses. Just go make play when it's needed.

Really. Show some veteran leadership or hit the road.

 

[Big T]

Sal Pal on Sportscenter just reported that the "rumors" surrounding this issue were because Pendergast showed tape of the Johnson 78 yard run, called out Griffith for missing the coverage, and he took offense to it.

Just raised voices, no "bumping into eachother", and everything has been ironed out.

Well, since Griffith is one of Denny's "boys" that he brought here from Minnesota, he may think that makes him immune to critcism, and he'll keep his job as long as he stays a "Greenman".

I felt Francisco should have replaced him long before this.

 

[Mitch]

The irony is that Robert Griffith wouldn't start at FS with any other club in North America (include the CFL in this one too). At SS, maybe. At FS, no way. Only the Cardinals!

How he keeps getting a mulligan week after week is absurd.

How we the fans can see week after week what players belong in the lineup and where...and the coaches don't is also absurd.

Only the Cardinals...could sign an All-Pro RB for $30M to run behind the worst offensive line maybe ever in the NFL.

 

[BirdMan21]

Well it looks like Clancy was able to get the D fired up for this game. Even with this game being so depressing.....I am proud of a lot of players. I can't think of a game our D has played in the past 10 years as good as tonight. They were hitting, running to the ball, just making plays. I really think that Clancy is able to get his guys ready to play. I don't think he is ready to be a HC but with a capeable DC and OC beneath him I think he is enough of a gameplanner that he could be successful with the talent they have.

DL - Berry had his first big game, DD and Watson look like a good combo in the middle, Chike was quiet, but never was out of posistion.
LB - Hayes is the man, Dansby is starting to look good again, Huff didn't play great but really only had one play
CBs - Rolle and Green played well, Green played the best I have ever seen, Macklin played well in nickel.
S - Francisco and Wilson played great....even Griffith looked better than he has all season