Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

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First off just once actually debate what someone said instead of putting it into your words. I didn't say Smith would get benched I said the local media was already talking about it. You said I was being fooled by the talking heads, and it turns out THEY were right not K9.

Alex SMith got BENCHED, he passed EVERY concussion test this week and still didn't start.That is not sitting out because of a concussion because he was 100% medically cleared to start today and still didn't. Benched, removed as starter, replaced by Kaepernick.

ANd it cost them the game today, Kaepernick lost the game for SF. But it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong, and the local media was right. I already told you why I thought it might be true, because Eric Davis, an ex player was the one saying it.

Today Lindley was horrible, he has proven there's no point keeping him. That doesn't mean it was stupid to put him in initially. That's why you make changes you want to find out what you have.

Kolb was actually better this year than last so that goes your every QB since Warner retired. The problem is Kolb can't stay healthy. But he was better across the board this year.

Skelton is getting worse.

IN a perfect world at most one of them is on the roster next season.

So Alex Smith got "benched," five weeks after you insisted that Kaepernick was breathing down his neck, after Smith was injured, but the talking heads were somehow right, and you're thumping your chest even though "Kaepernick cost them the game." If Smith starts next week, are you still right? C'mon, Russ.

And so now it wasn't a dumb idea to start Lindley not because he gives us the best chance to win, but somehow after 9 or 10 weeks in the NFL this rookie 6th round pick is a finished product, and he's not going to get better than this garbage, and we had to see it? C'mon, Russ.

And the guy you were pumping up in the first post on this thread is now a lost cause not worth keeping on the roster, but the decision to lose the last three games (or at least give us no shot to win them) was a good one because... now the coaching staff knows what's on the roster at the 3rd QB position? C'mon, Russ.
 

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I didn't say a thing about draft pick slot.

I didn't mean to make it seem like you did, I just can't fathom what the upside was of allowing Lindley to walk onto that field for the 2nd half - which you do seem to be defending. Sorry, but I just don't understand what else needed to be evaluated.
 

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holy crap... is this really a thread where Russ can't just say "oy... my bad. this thread now looks ridiculous" and K9's actually trying to argue that Smith wasn't for all intents and purposes benched?

you two are ridiculous.
 
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I didn't mean to make it seem like you did, I just can't fathom what the upside was of allowing Lindley to walk onto that field for the 2nd half - which you do seem to be defending. Sorry, but I just don't understand what else needed to be evaluated.

I wouldn't have put him in against Atlanta, said so repeatedly, but I get why Whiz did.

I wouldn't have started him last week but I get why he did and in the first half he played well enough to make it irrelevant to me if it was him or Skelton playing.

Whiz is the coach if he doesn't make the change it's his call and if it costs him his job that's his call too.

I've said all year that the answer to our QB problem isn't on this team currently. Despite my supposed hate of skelton I repeatedly stated in the preseason he should start, because I didn't think Kolb could stay healthy. When Skelton got hurt Kolb clearly played at a higher level than the prior year, but then he of course got hurt.

In came Skelton and he played even worse than last year. Hoped it was the ankle but week after week it became clear he wasn't. Now we've seen Lindley the obvious conclusion is the answer to our QB problems isn't on the current roster.

as to why Whiz didn't go back to Skelton, I can only conclude he has a reason, we'll eventually hear it, likely after he's fired which the way things are going will be at the end of the year.
 
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holy crap... is this really a thread where Russ can't just say "oy... my bad. this thread now looks ridiculous" and K9's actually trying to argue that Smith wasn't for all intents and purposes benched?

you two are ridiculous.

That's the point Cheese I didn't say Lindley is the future starter and he's great.

K9 said i said it. All I said is for one half of one start he looked pretty good, more accurate than Skelton, and it was worth starting him. The last 6 quarters have been awful.

Today he was much worse than Skelton ever has been. The Cards now know that whoever decides who theQB's are next year, should do everything they can to make sure they have 3 QB's better than Skelton and Lindley.

This whole season ended when Powell went the wrong way and got Kolb injured and the only other option we had was Skelton.
 

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That's the point Cheese I didn't say Lindley is the future starter and he's great.

Russ, you know i respect you and we've never had any beef, but come dude... a thread with the title "going to to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now" at the very least LOOKS like some kind of I told you so.

and going to Lindley looks REALLY stupid right now.
 

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That's the point Cheese I didn't say Lindley is the future starter and he's great.

K9 said i said it. All I said is for one half of one start he looked pretty good, more accurate than Skelton, and it was worth starting him. The last 6 quarters have been awful.

Today he was much worse than Skelton ever has been. The Cards now know that whoever decides who theQB's are next year, should do everything they can to make sure they have 3 QB's better than Skelton and Lindley.

This whole season ended when Powell went the wrong way and got Kolb injured and the only other option we had was Skelton.

Well, I guess it doesn't look so stupid now because it only took three consecutive losses after the five we already had to prove to the coaches--who have been watching Lindley ever since training camp and practice with him 4 days a week--that Ryan Lindley isn't ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

How that equates to his ability to be a #3 quarterback in the NFL? Connection lost.

Mind-boggling.
 

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I can hear Whisenhut and Lindley supporters keep stating their justification for playing him and losing winnable games, "But he throws a beautiful ball that just rockets out of his hands. So what he is really inaccurate and can't read a lick of defense. So what he is so scared that the games is just rocketing by him. So what the Cards lost, cause Lindley's a super practice player and Whisenhut and a genius and never makes the wrong call. And it is just nonsense that complainers say Whisenhut knows nothing about developing QBs. They are just all jealous of Whisenhuts's greatness."

Yes, folks, it looks really STUPID to have played Lindley so far. He is completely lost and has terrible accuracy, just like he did in college. Anyone who thought he was ready had no football sense. Drafting Lindley only makes the Cards look absolutely stupid and makes the rest of the NFL who passed on Lindley look like geniuses.

In comparing my recollections of Max Hall, another great practice player who knew the playbook (Whisenhut's own words to justify playing him), Lindley looks like he can't even carry Hall's pads. "Oh, but Lindley throws such a nice ball" - How moronic is that? (as if throwing a nice ball is all there is to playing QB in the NFL)
 
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Russ, you know i respect you and we've never had any beef, but come dude... a thread with the title "going to to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now" at the very least LOOKS like some kind of I told you so.

and going to Lindley looks REALLY stupid right now.

if I'd been saying all year Lindley was good you'd have a point but if you actually look you'll see all preseason and early season I was repeatedly saying Lindley shouldn't see the field this year.

as soon as Skelton got hurt people started calling for Lindley game after game in the game threads and I kept pointing out Lindley was a very raw rookie.

The problem is Kolb got hurt, we got clear evidence the team couldn't win with Skelton this season. Obviously Lindley has played worse than Skelton and if I were the coach he wouldn't be starting but that doesn't mean it was stupid for Whiz to make the switch when he did.

We can argue over whether its stupid to KEEP him starting, but that wasn't the debate, the debate was putting him in for Skelton against Atlanta and then starting him against the Rams.

We don't gain anything by going back to Skelton. If Kolb could play and we were still starting Lindley I'd be screaming with everyone else, but Kolb is still hurt.

There is no right answer at QB with Kolb hurt.
 

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if I'd been saying all year Lindley was good you'd have a point but if you actually look you'll see all preseason and early season I was repeatedly saying Lindley shouldn't see the field this year.

as soon as Skelton got hurt people started calling for Lindley game after game in the game threads and I kept pointing out Lindley was a very raw rookie.

The problem is Kolb got hurt, we got clear evidence the team couldn't win with Skelton this season. Obviously Lindley has played worse than Skelton and if I were the coach he wouldn't be starting but that doesn't mean it was stupid for Whiz to make the switch when he did.

We can argue over whether its stupid to KEEP him starting, but that wasn't the debate, the debate was putting him in for Skelton against Atlanta and then starting him against the Rams.

We don't gain anything by going back to Skelton. If Kolb could play and we were still starting Lindley I'd be screaming with everyone else, but Kolb is still hurt.

There is no right answer at QB with Kolb hurt.

Except for wins over the New York Jets and St. Louis Rams. But whatever.

We lost to the Jets by one point. It's difficult to imagine that in your deepest heart you don't think that Skelton can do better than 0-17 on third downs and have 10 three-and-outs in that game, and not give us a chance to be one point better than the Jets.
 

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72 yards. Seems like you should be able to throw more than 72 yards accidently.
 

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Except for wins over the New York Jets and St. Louis Rams. But whatever.

We lost to the Jets by one point. It's difficult to imagine that in your deepest heart you don't think that Skelton can do better than 0-17 on third downs and have 10 three-and-outs in that game, and not give us a chance to be one point better than the Jets.
Wow, who knew I would be mad about Skelton not being played.
 

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Wow, who knew I would be mad about Skelton not being played.

Frustrated would be my reaction to Whis' extremely questionable judgement yesterday.

Why do I keep remembering Herm Edwards, "You play to WIN THE GAME." ??? Our head coach seems to have forgotten that on Sunday.
 

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Except for wins over the New York Jets and St. Louis Rams. But whatever.

We lost to the Jets by one point. It's difficult to imagine that in your deepest heart you don't think that Skelton can do better than 0-17 on third downs and have 10 three-and-outs in that game, and not give us a chance to be one point better than the Jets.

Well... to be fair, Green should've scored - making the score 14-6. Instead, he fell at the 1 yard line so they were able to run out the clock rather than give Lindley the ball - since, you know... he was on FIRE!! :D
 

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I was in favor of pulling Skelton, and seeing if Lindley could do something. But early in the Jets game it was clear Skelton should of came back in. Lindley was SO bad Skelton would of been an upgrade.
 

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The rookie completed 10-of-31 passes for 72 yards in the 7-6 loss to Greg McElroy and the Jets (roll that around in your head for a second), making Lindley just the second quarterback since the merger in 1970 to finish with fewer than 75 yards on 30 attempts or more.

Statistically, it was pretty much impossible for Skelton to be worse.
 

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Lindley had two drives in the first half against the Rams that were as good as any we've had all year. After the awful interceptions in the second half of that game, he looked terrified to throw within three feet of a defender and that continued into the Jets game.

He's so screwed in the head right now, he has no chance of being as good as Max Hall. He needs psychotherapy.
 

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Bump.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...the-jets-cardinals-quarterback-failure-clinic

Brian: “When we sat down with Ryan Lindley and the Cardinals coaches, they talked about his calm. There is a fine line between being calm and being so new that you don’t know just how bad things are.” (REMEMBER THIS; it may come up later.)

14:54 — As Ryan Lindley takes the field, Fox puts up this graphic:

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I'm guessing there aren’t many Lindley family members in the production truck.

14:21 — Lindley connects on a deep sideline pass to Fitzgerald. Perfect throw. (Lindley confidence building ...)

13:05, Thom — “Lindley throws too high and too firm for Stephens-Howling.” (This was probably his seventh-best throw of the day.)

10:53 — Lindley nearly intercepted on batted pass.

10:47 — Lindley not intercepted, or even nearly intercepted, on a handoff to Beanie Wells.

10:01 — Lindley intercepted.

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1:11 — Lindley’s play inspires Brennaman to finally break down and stop making excuses for him: “I gotta be honest with you, Brian, and Lindley is only a rookie so it is not taking him to task — Sanchez is in his fourth year — but this is about as ugly and as inept a game offensively as I can recall in a long time." (As he is saying this, Cardinals fake punt for a 40-yard gain.)

Brian: “Well, here is your chance. This is what you have to do ...”

:33, Thom — “Well, I gotta tell ya, Brian, they are nowhere within even five yards of completing a pass on the last five to seven attempts that they have made throwing the football.” (Brennaman is broken at this point. There is a 75 percent chance he is shirtless and chugging a bottle of Wild Turkey in the booth, calling the game while he gets a tattoo.)

Brian (attempting to maintain some sort of professionalism) — “Yeah, I feel your pain.” (I think he's talking about the tattoo.)

0:00, Thom — “We have actually a scoring chance for the Cardinals. First of the game. Aaaaand whaddya know? We go to halftime with POINTS ON THE BOARD.”

13:53, Thom, as Lindley takes the field — “You heard Laura relaying her conversation with Ken Whisenhunt, and he was saying, ‘You know, we will find some of the things that Lindley is comfortable with.’ Is there anything that you saw from this Arizona offense that you think Lindley is comfortable with?”

Brian — “Yeah, turning around and handing the ball off.” (Yes, he really said that. I can’t write jokes that funny.)



13:53-4:48, Thom, after another errant Lindley pass — “And this is back to what we saw in the first half. I mean, the Cardinals are five to seven yards away from completing a pass…”

Brian — “Ryan Lindley doesn’t even know what he is seeing. We talked about earlier. It is one thing to have calm in the face of pressure. It is another thing to be oblivious to everything around you in the fog of war.” (OBLIVIOUS TO EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IN THE FOG OF WAR!!!!! Is this Hemingway?)

10:51 — Lindley throws 15 yards away from a wide-open Fitzgerald. There is a pause because this is normally where Billick adds analysis. There is silence for 10 seconds. It has to be noted here just how badly Lindley is missing throws. You honestly wonder if he slipped, or if he was targeting someone else, or if this is some sort of performance art.

10:39 — Cardinals kick a field goal. It’s a one-point game.

Sure doesn't look so stupid right now.
 

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And all I can think...way to destroy another rookie QB, Whiz

I've never seen anyone do something that stupid, not changing out the QB at halftime is well cruel, to the QB who's sucking.

It got WORSE in the 2nd half and he didn't care about THAT kid at all, nothing not a shred of human compassion.

His nuts were cutoff and tossed into the ocean it was THAT bad.

No matter what you thought of Skelton the kid has done NOTHING to deserve that, NOTHING.
 

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This is exactly what I expected to happen. If Ryan Lindley ever guides us to the playoffs, I'll get his face tattooed on my face.

He's another Derek Anderson or John Skelton. Big arm, tall, athletic, strong and horribly inaccurate. 3 out of his 4 interceptions were god awful decisions. I understand he is a rookie, but the second pick 6 looked just like the first one. I'm sure he's worth developing, probably more so than Skelton (I think Skelton is as good as he'll ever get), but we still have to get someone that can actually be a starter in this league.

How can you accurately state this is as good Skelton will ever be when Kurt Warner was horrible out of college and was never drafted? He signed as a FA with the Packers and was gone with the first cuts. They actually sent him in to run some pre-season plays and he refused to go in because he did not know the plays. It took him years with the Arena Football and NFL Europe before he developed into the NFL pass defense killer and accurate passer he was when he started his real NFL career with the Rams. BTW, the Rams coach thought Warner was just a decent back-up QB to Trent whatshisname, as he never gave him a real chance to show what he could do in pre-season or in practices. BTW2, Skelton's college career passing completion average is far superior to Lindley's.
 

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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2012/week-13-quick-reads

All right, get this. Lindley's first pass of the day was complete to Larry Fitzgerald for 23 yards. From that point to the middle of the fourth quarter, he went 8-of-26 for 33 yards with one interception, one sack, and NO FIRST DOWNS. Finally he hit Michael Floyd for 16 yards on second-and-10. And then he went incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, sack, game over, one-point loss. I'm sure Ryan Lindley's a nice guy. But he's not an NFL quarterback.

32 out of 32 quarterbacks on Sunday.
 

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