Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

[conraddobler]

Wasn't obviously to even the most casual fan that Skelton, while ineffective at times, clearly gave us a better chance to win than Lindley?

Wasn't the season still in the balance, even up through today's game?

That's what makes KW's decision so damnable.

Whiz is a jerk IMO.

It's a message he's sending, Skelton pissed him off somehow and this is Whiz's way of dealing with that IMO.

He needs to read the book how to win friends and influence people, you don't bash someone's head in to get your way, you figure out another way and since any child can tell who the better QB is out of the two then it's on Whiz to figure out how to get the most out of Skelton until a better alternative is available.

The same thing went for Matt.

He's a serial offender with this crap, his motivational skills in terms of QB's stink.

 

[PJ1]

Think context.

Dude is precisely the worst fit for our porous OL and lack of a running game. He was unloading early out of (perceived) desperation.

Put him behind a good OL and decent play action and maybe he's not so bad.

Given our OL, Skelton (because of his height and size ) probably gives us the best chance of winning, but obviously, he's not consistently good all the time either

Lindley would be bad on the 72 Dolphins. Our line has nothing to do with his poor play.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Whiz is a jerk IMO.

It's a message he's sending, Skelton pissed him off somehow and this is Whiz's way of dealing with that IMO.

He needs to read the book how to win friends and influence people, you don't bash someone's head in to get your way, you figure out another way and since any child can tell who the better QB is out of the two then it's on Whiz to figure out how to get the most out of Skelton until a better alternative is available.

The same thing went for Matt.

He's a serial offender with this crap, his motivational skills in terms of QB's stink.

Great post

 

[Russ Smith]

Skelton gives us a better chance to win than Lindley; Lindley is playin himself out of the NFL. Any new coaches would get 2013 training camp, OTAs, an all if 2012 practice film to get a feel for Lindley's awfulness.

It was never a smart idea to inflict this garbage on the fan base.

Skelton's %, YPA, Passer rating, TD ratio all down this year from last year. Who in their right mind keeps playing a young QB who is getting WORSE as he gets more PT?

You play the 3rd stringer since the starter is injured. When the starter gets back you play him. But you don't keep throwing out a lousy backup who's getting worse and apparently not putting in the effort to get better.

 

[Russ Smith]

A better feel for Lindley? That's why we are a joke. Only the Cardinals would actually think that they would need to get a "feel" for Lindley, as if there is some sort of shot that he is the answer. What a disgrace. I am shocked, stunned, that anyone would think that Ryan Lindley could be the guy.

Is Skelton the guy? Long term, no. If you wanted to win the last three weeks, yes. We didn't need Elway to win, we just needed a chance. Lindley gave us no chance whatsoever. The Cardinals have hit historical lows in offensive production against the Falcons and Jets. Skelton has won games. I feel winning wasn't even a priority the last three weeks and I am not sure why anyone is ok with that.

Again they're trying to find out if he shoudl be on the team next year.

Nobody thinks he's the starter next year.

But we know Skelton isn't, he's had his chance and is getting worse not better

 

[Russ Smith]

What are Lindley's stats since Russ's victory lap here?

How's Alex Smith's starts going since K9 told us all that Russ wsa crazy to listen to the Bay Area media that he might get benched?

How's Darryl Washington's career at safety going.

And the funny thing is you ACTUALLY said those things, I didnt' say Lindley was a starter I said he's worth playing because Skelton is terrible.

Today Lindley was awful, even Skelton never had a start that bad. And now the cards know it's likely not worth bringing him back next season.

Which basically means we have one QB on the roster worth bringing back next year and he has to take a big paycut.

 

[PJ1]

Skelton's %, YPA, Passer rating, TD ratio all down this year from last year. Who in their right mind keeps playing a young QB who is getting WORSE as he gets more PT?

You play the 3rd stringer since the starter is injured. When the starter gets back you play him. But you don't keep throwing out a lousy backup who's getting worse and apparently not putting in the effort to get better.

Total BS. You never allow what we saw today. That was an absolute disgrace. Skelton not good but you don't disgrace your team with allowing Lindley to play the entire game today. I won't even get into the Atlanta game.

 

[Russ Smith]

To win the game.

This team is the worst team in the history of the universe at everything, including getting a good draft pick, we NEVER have the first draft pick we ALWAYS screw that up even though we have historically and consistently sucked for decades, this is a feat in itself.

Winning games is about all we have, oh and we know all we ever need to know about Lindley now.

We didn't win a single game with Skelton, he'd already blown the momentum against Atlanta.

now today yeah we probably win with him but the season is over. Why play a guy who's getting worse in his 3rd year, there is no upside.

 

[PJ1]

We didn't win a single game with Skelton, he'd already blown the momentum against Atlanta.

now today yeah we probably win with him but the season is over. Why play a guy who's getting worse in his 3rd year, there is no upside.

We were winning the Atlanta game by 10 points. The killer was the Lindley fumble which was returned for a TD.

 

[Russ Smith]

We were winning the Atlanta game by 10 points. The killer was the Lindley fumble which was returned for a TD.

We would have been up 17-0 if Skelton makes that throw. Skelton missing that throw blew the momentum.

The game had already turned although yes Lindley's fumble was the big play of the game.

I wouldn't have made the change then but I got why why Whiz did. After reading the Cards aren't thrilled with Skelton's work to get better, I complete understand why Whiz benched him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Again they're trying to find out if he shoudl be on the team next year.

as a first year draft pick, it doesn't make sense to me that they're playing him to find out if he should even be on the roster next year. any QB taken that late is taken as a project. a first year thrust into action should in no way determine him possibly being cut from the team after his rookie season.

 

[PJ1]

as a first year draft pick, it doesn't make sense to me that they're playing him to find out if he should even be on the roster next year. any QB taken that late is taken as a project. a first year thrust into action should in no way determine him possibly being cut from the team after his rookie season.

It may have cost us wins also. Lindley wasn't ready and leaving him in today was cruel to him, his teammates and the fans.

 

[kerouac9]

Skelton's %, YPA, Passer rating, TD ratio all down this year from last year. Who in their right mind keeps playing a young QB who is getting WORSE as he gets more PT?

You play the 3rd stringer since the starter is injured. When the starter gets back you play him. But you don't keep throwing out a lousy backup who's getting worse and apparently not putting in the effort to get better.

Us. With every QB since Warner retired. So you're ready to go back to Skelton, since Lindley's been getting worse and worse as he gets more PT?

Cough up that you started a premature thread, and that you were wrong, as you were with Max Hall. I've come correct on Daryl Washington. Alex Smith didn't get benched, he suffered a concussion four weeks after you made your comment that he was going to get "benched". Your victory lap on Colin Kaepernick is as premature on your chest-thump here.

And you can keep repeating the "not putting in the effort to get better" claptrap as much as you want. That's your own theory and suspicion, unbuttressed by any evidence.

 

[Big D]

That might have been the single most worst NFL QB'd game I ever seen in my life and as a 20+ year Cardinals fan that is REALLY saying something. There is absolutely nothing positive that can be taken from it. NOTHING. Not one G'damn thing.

I honestly can't believe an NFL team could possibly be reduced to this, even the Cardinals. It was beyond comical. There is no humanly or even homo-sapeinly way possible anyone with half a brain cell can tell me that playing Lindley- and sticking with him for 4 qtrs of "football" today -honestly gave us the best chance to win anything other than a higher draft choice.

Whiz is neck deep in this quicksand pit he has created for himself and he's sinking quickly.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Whiz is a jerk IMO.

It's a message he's sending, Skelton pissed him off somehow and this is Whiz's way of dealing with that IMO.

He needs to read the book how to win friends and influence people, you don't bash someone's head in to get your way, you figure out another way and since any child can tell who the better QB is out of the two then it's on Whiz to figure out how to get the most out of Skelton until a better alternative is available.

The same thing went for Matt.

He's a serial offender with this crap, his motivational skills in terms of QB's stink.

With players in general. That's the thing that pisses me off the most about Whisenhunt. The dumb head games he plays to send messages, but he does nothing about the ineptitude on his coaching staff. Speaking of, weren't we supposed to see coaching duties change per Whisenhunt a few weeks back?

It drove Q out of town and got rid of or stymied the growth of many a Cardinal. It kills me every time I watch a Ravens game and still see Q ball like a madman. I have no doubt that is Whisenhunt never became the HC Q would still be a Cardinal.

 

[Russ Smith]

as a first year draft pick, it doesn't make sense to me that they're playing him to find out if he should even be on the roster next year. any QB taken that late is taken as a project. a first year thrust into action should in no way determine him possibly being cut from the team after his rookie season.

If Kolb were healthy and Skelton hadn't played his way to the bench they wouldn't be. But now they have to figure out if any of the current guys should be back.

I'd say right now Kolb is the only one I'd consider keeping, and he'd have to take less money

 

[Duckjake]

Us. With every QB since Warner retired. So you're ready to go back to Skelton, since Lindley's been getting worse and worse as he gets more PT?

Cough up that you started a premature thread, and that you were wrong, as you were with Max Hall. I've come correct on Daryl Washington. Alex Smith didn't get benched, he suffered a concussion four weeks after you made your comment that he was going to get "benched". Your victory lap on Colin Kaepernick is as premature on your chest-thump here.

And you can keep repeating the "not putting in the effort to get better" claptrap as much as you want. That's your own theory and suspicion, unbuttressed by any evidence.

Like most of his takes. Remember the imaginary prevent defenses Skelton feasted on?

Lindley's performance today was horrendous. How can any team justify having used a draft pick, even a 6th, on a guy who, after 6-8 years of playing QB can't throw the ball anywhere near where he needs it to go? On almost every pass! That they have drafted two of them is beyond the comprehension of the average football fan.

 

[PJ1]

That might have been the single most worst NFL QB'd game I ever seen in my life and as a 20+ year Cardinals fan that is REALLY saying something. There is absolutely nothing positive that can be taken from it. NOTHING. Not one G'damn thing.

I honestly can't believe an NFL team could possibly be reduced to this, even the Cardinals. It was beyond comical. There is no humanly or even homo-sapeinly way possible anyone with half a brain cell can tell me that playing Lindley- and sticking with him for 4 qtrs of "football" today -honestly gave us the best chance to win anything other than a higher draft choice.

Whiz is neck deep in the quicksand pit he has created for himself and he's sinking quickly.

Well said.

 

[Russ Smith]

Us. With every QB since Warner retired. So you're ready to go back to Skelton, since Lindley's been getting worse and worse as he gets more PT?

Cough up that you started a premature thread, and that you were wrong, as you were with Max Hall. I've come correct on Daryl Washington. Alex Smith didn't get benched, he suffered a concussion four weeks after you made your comment that he was going to get "benched". Your victory lap on Colin Kaepernick is as premature on your chest-thump here.

And you can keep repeating the "not putting in the effort to get better" claptrap as much as you want. That's your own theory and suspicion, unbuttressed by any evidence.

First off just once actually debate what someone said instead of putting it into your words. I didn't say Smith would get benched I said the local media was already talking about it. You said I was being fooled by the talking heads, and it turns out THEY were right not K9.

Alex SMith got BENCHED, he passed EVERY concussion test this week and still didn't start.That is not sitting out because of a concussion because he was 100% medically cleared to start today and still didn't. Benched, removed as starter, replaced by Kaepernick.

ANd it cost them the game today, Kaepernick lost the game for SF. But it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong, and the local media was right. I already told you why I thought it might be true, because Eric Davis, an ex player was the one saying it.

Today Lindley was horrible, he has proven there's no point keeping him. That doesn't mean it was stupid to put him in initially. That's why you make changes you want to find out what you have.

Kolb was actually better this year than last so that goes your every QB since Warner retired. The problem is Kolb can't stay healthy. But he was better across the board this year.

Skelton is getting worse.

IN a perfect world at most one of them is on the roster next season.

 

[Dayman]

Richard Bartel ‏@RichBartel
I'd play for free.

Richard Bartel ‏@RichBartel
seriously. free.

At this point, why not?

 

[dylanbw]

We didn't win a single game with Skelton, he'd already blown the momentum against Atlanta.

now today yeah we probably win with him but the season is over. Why play a guy who's getting worse in his 3rd year, there is no upside.

Russ - I have been reading your Cardinals opinions since we were all accessing boogie down websites via dial up internet connections or webTV accounts - and I always respect your knowledge of the game.

That being said, while I completely understand the necessity to see what we had in Lindley, that ship had sailed by halftime. As difficult as it may seem to believe, there were thousands of Cardinals fans in attendance today who paid good hard earned money to cheer on their team in enemy territory. We deserved a legit shot at victory, which meant pulling the rookie. When you are there in person, no one cares about draft pick slot - you want to win. CKW robbed us of that opportunity for no defensible reason.

Although I am eternally grateful he helped get us to the Super Bowl, he can go home and get his F'in shine-box as far as I am concerned.

 

[Russ Smith]

Like most of his takes. Remember the imaginary prevent defenses Skelton feasted on?

Lindley's performance today was horrendous. How can any team justify having used a draft pick, even a 6th, on a guy who, after 6-8 years of playing QB can't throw the ball anywhere near where he needs it to go? On almost every pass! That they have drafted two of them is beyond the comprehension of the average football fan.

Yeah its just coincidence so much of SKeltons passing yardage comes at the end of losses.

But just for kicks lets look, Skelton when ahead 33% passer rating of 14.6.

Skelton tied 44% passer rating of 43.6

Skelton behind 59% passer rating of 73.9.

Man that looks like a trend, but lets look even closer.

Skelton behind 9-16 points 66.7% passer rating of 85.9

Yeah that's gotta be coincidence.

And don't point out sample size since it's Skelton's fault he has so few attempts when ahead, because he can't play in the first quarter.



And it's coincidence people keep getting long runs to the outside on the same side Sam Acho is playing. Just coincidence.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ - I have been reading your Cardinals opinions since we were all accessing boogie down websites via dial up internet connections or webTV accounts - and I always respect your knowledge of the game.

That being said, while I completely understand the necessity to see what we had in Lindley, that ship had sailed by halftime. As difficult as it may seem to believe, there were thousands of Cardinals fans in attendance today who paid good hard earned money to cheer on their team in enemy territory. We deserved a legit shot at victory, which meant pulling the rookie. When you are there in person, no one cares about draft pick slot - you want to win. CKW robbed us of that opportunity for no defensible reason.

Although I am eternally grateful he helped get us to the Super Bowl, he can go home and get his F'in shine-box as far as I am concerned.

I didn't say a thing about draft pick slot.

 

[Buckybird]

I'd say right now Kolb is the only one I'd consider keeping, and he'd have to take less money

Absofreakinglutely! I'm not sure Lindley & Skelton can complete 60% of their passes on my sons pee wee team, cut both their asses!!!

 

[gmabel830]

At this point, why not?

I thought because we waive/injured him (Bartel), he couldn't re-sign with us this year?