Goran Dragic traded to Heat

[Mainstreet]

And that's fine if we chased Goran out of town in favor of Westbrook or Paul. I have become a Dragic fan, but that would make sense- I would make the same decision. What doesn;t make sense is that we chased Dragic out of town in favor of a nobody.

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In all fairness, if he wasn't going to give Suns some kind of a home-town discount, I am OK with him being gone. I love Dragic, but $20M per year for the next five years is way too much.

The premise is false. The Suns did not chase Dragic out of town. The Suns gave no indication they would not pay Dragic the market value or he was not part of their future. Dragic left because he wanted to be the man... the primary PG or ball handler. It's okay but he handled the matter in a classless fashion by demanding a trade two days before the trade deadline and only to a select list of teams. Also the Suns even offered to trade IT to make him happy. Maybe Dragic wanted Bledsoe gone as well. Who knows. However, Dragic was not running the franchise. He did a Joe Johnson type move and now he is gone. He lost some respect in my eyes.

Also, who is this nobody you speak of?

 

[Cheesebeef]

And that's fine if we chased Goran out of town in favor of Westbrook or Paul. I have become a Dragic fan, but that would make sense- I would make the same decision.

really? Because a guy you have pegged to average 23/10 for the next three years would be BETTER then Westbrook or Paul EVER have been.

 

[BC867]

really? Because a guy you have pegged to average 23/10 for the next three years would be BETTER then Westbrook or Paul EVER have been.

This is the fourth post of yours I've read today referring to Dragic averaging "23/10 for the next three years."

Please reference where Stefan predicted that.

 

[SirStefan32]

This is the fourth post of yours I've read today referring to Dragic averaging "23/10 for the next three years."

Please reference where Stefan predicted that.

I did. Not sure if those were the exact numbers, but I did say I wouldn't be surprised if Dragic exploded once Bosh and McRoberts were back next year. If I remember correctly, I did also say my prediction was overly optimistic and referenced the fact this was the same guy (me) who wanted Tskitishvili over Amare, so my prediction should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's OK though. Cheese is known for personal attacks and inability to have a civilized discussion, so I don't really give a crap what he says. Cheese insulting me is the best compliment I can receive on this board.

 

[Phrazbit]

Why is quoting your prediction a personal attack? It just shows how disconnected you are from the reality of this issue.

You predict Dragic will put up all-time legend numbers, you constantly refer to other guards on the Suns as "nobodies", as though the Suns dumped Dragic for Ish Smith.

The bias you're displaying on this topic is insanely over the top.

 

[SirStefan32]

I suppose we'll see. You call it bias, but I call it reality, and being objective even though it is against my team. We'll see who is right next year. I certainly hope I am wrong, and the Bledsoe fan club is right.

 

[SirStefan32]

More on topic of Dragic and Miami, here is the impact Dragic has had:
Points per game:
January: 87.5
February: 97.4
March: 103.4

 

[Phrazbit]

I suppose we'll see. You call it bias, but I call it reality, and being objective even though it is against my team. We'll see who is right next year. I certainly hope I am wrong, and the Bledsoe fan club is right.

I feel I've been pretty consistent in calling things like I see them, not being a homer or a huge pessimist, when the team is doing stupid crap I don't hide my feelings AND I recognize that Bledsoe has some serious holes to work on in his game. I wanted the Suns to keep Dragic and Bledsoe, I'm a fan of the team and not a particular player.

There is no reality where Dragic will put up those numbers or where ANYONE in or outside of Phoenix would write off Bledsoe as a "nobody."

 

[Cheesebeef]

I did. Not sure if those were the exact numbers, but I did say I wouldn't be surprised if Dragic exploded once Bosh and McRoberts were back next year. If I remember correctly, I did also say my prediction was overly optimistic and referenced the fact this was the same guy (me) who wanted Tskitishvili over Amare, so my prediction should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's OK though. Cheese is known for personal attacks and inability to have a civilized discussion, so I don't really give a crap what he says. Cheese insulting me is the best compliment I can receive on this board.

So, now bringing up your own words are a personal attack? Lol. Okay.

But, do you want to answer the question why you'd get rid of Dragic for Westrbook or Paul when you've said you think he'll be statically superior to both of them... And pretty much every PG who's ever played?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I suppose we'll see. You call it bias, but I call it reality, and being objective even though it is against my team. We'll see who is right next year. I certainly hope I am wrong, and the Bledsoe fan club is right.

If Dragic's 23/10 prediction is reality and objective, why would you ever move him for Chris Paul?

 

[SirStefan32]

So, now bringing up your own words are a personal attack? Lol. Okay.

But, do you want to answer the question why you'd get rid of Dragic for Westrbook or Paul when you've said you think he'll be statically superior to both of them... And pretty much every PG who's ever played?

Personal attacks have been your signature since I started posting on this board. You misrepresented what I said. I said the prediction was optimistic and that I am expecting to be wrong. Unlike you, I understand all of us (including me) are guessing, and more often than not, we'll all be wrong. I have zero problem admitting I am wrong about something.

As to your question, the answer is obvious. Curry and Paul are proven all-stars, MVP candidates (Curry now, Paul in the past), Curry is a much better shooter, and both of them are flat-out better overall players. Even if I am optimistic about Dragic, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I can't believe I have to explain this to a grown man who actually follows basketball. Being a fan is fine, but even as a fan, you have to remain objective. Unless you are Portland or OKC, you take guys like Curry or Paul over any PG you have on your roster. If Dragic has the kind of a season I think he will have next year, then I'll revise my statement

 

[SirStefan32]

If Dragic's 23/10 prediction is reality and objective, why would you ever move him for Chris Paul?

Prediction cannot be objective nor can it be reality! It's a bloody prediction!
If I could see the future I would own the Phoenix Suns and we'd be winning championships year after year. Do you not understand that all of us here (including you and I) are a bunch of jerks on a message board, and none of us know a damn thing needed to know how any player will turn out? We are guessing, offering our opinions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Personal attacks have been your signature since I started posting on this board. You misrepresented what I said. I said the prediction was optimistic and that I am expecting to be wrong. Unlike you, I understand all of us (including me) are guessing, and more often than not, we'll all be wrong. I have zero problem admitting I am wrong about something.

As to your question, the answer is obvious. Curry and Paul are proven all-stars, MVP candidates (Curry now, Paul in the past), Curry is a much better shooter, and both of them are flat-out better overall players. Even if I am optimistic about Dragic, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I can't believe I have to explain this to a grown man who actually follows basketball. Being a fan is fine, but even as a fan, you have to remain objective. Unless you are Portland or OKC, you take guys like Curry or Paul over any PG you have on your roster. If Dragic has the kind of a season I think he will have next year, then I'll revise my statement

You just asked Phrazbit in another thread "what color is the sky in your world?" And you're lecturing me on personal attacks. You also labeled anyone who didn't trash Bledsoe every time they mentioned his name as Bledsoe fanboy, jocksniffers, nuthuggers... So spare me playing the victim card Stefan. It just makes you look as out of touch with your own posting style as you are with your prognostications about Dragic's career from here on out.

 

[SirStefan32]

Ah, interesting how you ignore the facts of the discussion. Keep it up, Cheese. Live up to your reputation.

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History will judge who was right. Guess we'll have to wait a year or two to get some actual data.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Here's an idea, let's start a Dragic forum outside the Suns forum. SirStefan, we can make you moderator. And then, instead of highjacking every thread where we actually want to discuss our favorite team and the players that are still on that team, you can start a new thread in the "Dragic" forum. Sound good?

I kind of like the idea myself, because it gets a little old trying to follow the current team here. Way too many sour grapes and bitching and moaning.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ah, interesting how you ignore the facts of the discussion. Keep it up, Cheese. Live up to your reputation.

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History will judge who was right. Guess we'll have to wait a year or two to get some actual data.

What are you talking about? What facts? On a phone right now and it's tough to keep up with the conversation.

And no response to "attacking" Phrazbit in the other thread while playing te victim card here? Seems rather hypocritical on your part, no? Hell, at least I can admit my posting style rubs people the wrong way, without running around playing the victim card like I'm some bastion of proper decorum.

 

[Cheesebeef]

For all this Phoenix is better than Miami talk, the Heat have kicked the Suns ass thoroughly this season both before and after they got Dragic.

Just for the record, I've NEVER said that. I just think that considering Miami's got A LOT more talent then us right now, even WITH the injuries, there's not a gulf of difference in wins and losses between the teams right now, which makes me question Dragic's overall impact on his team's fortune or misfortune.

 

[sunsfan88]

Just for the record, I've NEVER said that. I just think that considering Miami's got A LOT more talent then us right now, even WITH the injuries, there's not a gulf of difference in wins and losses between the teams right now, which makes me question Dragic's overall impact on his team's fortune or misfortune.

Yea I realized that comment was not made in here so I moved the post to the thread in which it was actually made.

 

[slinslin]

Well he just had another all-nba performances.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yep, when Dragic and Deng combine for 18 points on 17 for 17 shooting, they get out rebounded by 12 and have more turnovers than assists, Miami isn't gonna win many games.

OKC looks scary. 51 and 30 from Kenter, Adams, and McGary. They beat up Miami like the Spurs used to beat up Phoenix. Once Whiteside got into foul trouble, it was painful to watch. On a side-note, I cannot stand Chalmers. I always disliked him, but never really watched enough Heat games to realize just how terrible he is.

If KD and Ibaka are back for playoffs, I pity the team that has to face them.

 

[sunsfan88]

How in the world was Kanter acquired for so littke?

OKC proving that playing two 7 footers together doesn't spell disaster. Him and Len together could have made a formidable force.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You call it bias, but I call it reality, and being objective

Ha!

 

[Mainstreet]

How in the world was Kanter acquired for so littke?

OKC proving that playing two 7 footers together doesn't spell disaster. Him and Len together could have made a formidable force.

I've been saying this since OKC traded for Kanter. Why the Suns did not jump on this trade I have no idea. The Suns should have traded Goran per his request, kept IT and the Lakers pick. No need to add Knight. The Suns then could have added added another big man in the draft or trade for one.

 

[sunsfan88]

I've been saying this since OKC traded for Kanter. Why the Suns did not jump on this trade I have no idea. The Suns should have traded Goran per his request, kept IT and the Lakers pick. No need to add Knight. The Suns then could have added added another big man in the draft or trade for one.

Heck maybe they could have traded Goran to Miami for the same package that they got, and perhaps with IT to Boston but then use the 1st rd pick they got from Boston + Miles Plumlee to give to Utah for Kanter.

We could have kept Ennis and the LAL 1st rd pick. If they still wanted Knight real bad, go after him in the off season because as in turns out, Milwaukke wasn't planning on matching any offer over $9M/yr for him anyway.

 

[elindholm]

If KD and Ibaka are back for playoffs, I pity the team that has to face them.

I think they're the best chance to stop the Cleveland juggernaut. The Cavs will cruise to the Finals, so they really have to win only one series.