Great News! Graves/Parker Update

[Evil Ash]

Read the board for 5 minutes and you will see why.

1. If it is negative, it is truth in stone.

2. If it is positive, then it will be slanted, and manipulated, and changed. Then see part #1.

Point taken

 

[DaisyCutter]

Honest question: With the poor reporting that Jurecki has done over the past few years, why are people suddenly taking his word as a certainty?

Somers, someone who is much more reliable than Jurecki, hasn't reported anything of this nature.

What is the "poor reporting" that you're talking about? Can you give some examples? It take a pretty tinted set of lenses to think that Jurecki is just conjuring reportage out of thin air.

Somers also isn't reporting that discussions with Fitz are still ongoing. We actually haven't heard that in a while.

 

[football karma]

What is the "poor reporting" that you're talking about? Can you give some examples? It take a pretty tinted set of lenses to think that Jurecki is just conjuring reportage out of thin air.

Somers also isn't reporting that discussions with Fitz are still ongoing. We actually haven't heard that in a while.

I wouldnt call it poor reporting

Jurecki gets smoke, but not always fire --

so he isnt wrong necessarily, but he misses key facts that often can make a difference in the story

I think jurecki works "secondary" sources, guys who wont go on record. Somers gets those as well as primary sources, even if they wont go on record.

and I wouldnt doubt that Graves and Parker arent talking

 

[WildBB]

As I have been saying for the past 3 weeks... ANYONE who honestly think Fitz is in the Cards future with everything that has gone on is crazy...

Those are prolly also the same who honestly believed Marion would be a Phoenix Sun is just plain delerious....

And for the same reasons as has been previously stated.... The Cards need to publicly put Fitz on the Block, and wait for either

A. The Eagles to come back and relent to the previous of Sheppard 1st and 2nd

B. Wait for the Cowboys to call and offer the 22 and 29 picks, and then ask for Chris Canty as well....


The Cards should NOT accept anything less than a top Defensive player, and first round pick.. PERIOD...

 

[Shane]

Not by much, and when you include his baggage, they are at least equal in terms of value.

that is just off the charts right there.

 

[Pariah]

Read the board for 5 minutes and you will see why.

1. If it is negative, it is truth in stone.

2. If it is positive, then it will be slanted, and manipulated, and changed. Then see part #1.

The trouble is that the negative turns out to be true in the end more often than not. Sad, but true.

 

[NoPants McGee]

Hi, Eagles fan here.

I just wanted to point out that this is false:

The problem with taking Lito Shepard and their first is that Lito is a one year rent-a-player. He will be a free agent next yaer and will want big $. Thats why we need at least 2 draft picks in the deal.

Lito is signed until 2011. You can see the details of his contract here: http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/LitoSheppard.html

He's not happy with his deal though and would probably want to renegotiate with whichever team he gets traded to if he does get traded. The Eagles signed him long term very early in his career. Some of you may remember that we still had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor starting at CB in 2002 and 2003.

Why would the Cardinals take less than 2 first rounders when that is compensation if he were a restricted free agent signing with another team?

Would Lito Sheppard and a 1st rounder be less than 2 first rounders? Not in my opinion. Sheppard was drafted in the first round, he's still young (26), he's been to the pro bowl twice. He is easily a top ten corner and he has a knack for making big plays. I'd love to keep him, but I don't get to make that decision.

 

[Buckybird]

Hi, Eagles fan here.

I just wanted to point out that this is false:



Lito is signed until 2011. You can see the details of his contract here: http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/LitoSheppard.html

He's not happy with his deal though and would probably want to renegotiate with whichever team he gets traded to if he does get traded. The Eagles signed him long term very early in his career. Some of you may remember that we still had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor starting at CB in 2002 and 2003.



Would Lito Sheppard and a 1st rounder be less than 2 first rounders? Not in my opinion. Sheppard was drafted in the first round, he's still young (26), he's been to the pro bowl twice. He is easily a top ten corner and he has a knack for making big plays. I'd love to keep him, but I don't get to make that decision.

Fitz was a 1st rounder also, a top 5 pick. So what your saying is we would get a 1st (#15) for Lito, not enough!!! Sheppard is a solid player who is not even better than the CB's we have on our roster. Your wanting one of the best players in the league (and Wr's) for that. Jimmy Johnson fleeced the Vikes years ago, but Fitz isn't going cheap. No way I do a deal for Fitz unless I get two starters and a 1st or 2nd rounder. Fitz is a proven to be a great player, that is why I want players in return. Draft picks may or may not be good players. 4 or 5 seasons ago, would the Eagles have given McNabb up for a solid CB and a mid-first rounder? NO WAY!!!

 

[NoPants McGee]

Fitz was a 1st rounder also, a top 5 pick. So what your saying is we would get a 1st (#15) for Lito, not enough!!! Sheppard is a solid player who is not even better than the CB's we have on our roster. Your wanting one of the best players in the league (and Wr's) for that. Jimmy Johnson fleeced the Vikes years ago, but Fitz isn't going cheap. No way I do a deal for Fitz unless I get two starters and a 1st or 2nd rounder. Fitz is a proven to be a great player, that is why I want players in return. Draft picks may or may not be good players. 4 or 5 seasons ago, would the Eagles have given McNabb up for a solid CB and a mid-first rounder? NO WAY!!!

I see your point, but look at it from the Eagles perspective. The Cardinals signed him to a contract that is playing him crazy NBA-type money for the next two years. He's going to want a lot of money when he renegotiates. He's a great player, no doubt, but is he worth giving up your draft future, a 2 time pro bowl cornerback and getting tied to a huge contract? Maybe... but there have been plenty of other teams inquiring about Lito Sheppard who might have better deals.

About your cornerbacks being as good as Sheppard... C'mon, you're starting Roderick Hood. That was our nickleback. The Eagles let him go. He's nowhere near as good as our second cornerback, Sheldon Brown, and Brown isn't near as good as Sheppard. Lito has missed some games with injuries so his durability could be questioned, but you are underestimating his talent.

Check out some of his highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWtEIZAo3bY (turn down the sound if you don't enjoy obscene rap music) He's a threat to take it all the way every time he gets the ball in his hands.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

that is just off the charts right there.

Believe what you want. There was a reason that Moss was traded in the first place, and oh, it wasn't because of his contract.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Sheppard is a solid player who is not even better than the CB's we have on our roster.

You dont really believe that Eric Green is better than Sheppard. C'mon lets be truthfull here.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Believe what you want. There was a reason that Moss was traded in the first place, and oh, it wasn't because of his contract.

Yes, it was because the team sucked, he didn't want to be there and they needed to rebuild. You can rebuild when you have the highest paid player at a position. Players can only lose for so long before that becomes their mentality. That is why Whiz wanted so many new faces in here last year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes, it was because the team sucked, he didn't want to be there and they needed to rebuild. You can rebuild when you have the highest paid player at a position. Players can only lose for so long before that becomes their mentality. That is why Whiz wanted so many new faces in here last year.

If you conclude that Fitz's value is less than his talent because of his contract, then you should be able to understand that Moss's value was less than his talent because of his attitude and his antics on the field. I never said that Fitz was/is better than Moss, I said their value was about equal.

 

[lobo]

Yes, it was because the team sucked, he didn't want to be there and they needed to rebuild. You can rebuild when you have the highest paid player at a position. Players can only lose for so long before that becomes their mentality. That is why Whiz wanted so many new faces in here last year.

Did you mean can't rebuild??? Can rebuild don't sound right under the scenario you laid out. Moss left because Oakland was a one ring circus going around with one oar in the water. He did not have to prove that he was one of the top receivers anymore, he just wanted to experience winning...can't be more than that.

Without a doubt the worst job in the league is coaching the Raiders under Al Davis...(duh)

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You dont really believe that Eric Green is better than Sheppard. C'mon lets be truthfull here.

Yep.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Tell us oh football oracle who is better.

Niave, childish, morons want to drink from your fountain of unending truth and knowlege.

I will. Lito is better than any CB on our team, and it shouldn't be debatable.

It's like saying Fitz is better than any WR on the Eagles.....

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I will. Lito is better than any CB on our team, and it shouldn't be debatable.

It's like saying Fitz is better than any WR on the Eagles.....

Yep.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There is no way Fitzgerald is better than the Eagles recievers !

He is a Cardinal. He is overpaid and he sucks. I mean press coverage locks him down.

Fitzgerald will only be good once he is off the Cardinals, and plays with another team.

Wait, this is right?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Wait, this is right?

Nope.

I have seen the light. I have been convinced that I am 100% wrong. I read, and studied that vast truths, and facts on this board.

I now know how wrong I am about everything with this team.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nope.

I have seen the light. I have been convinced that I am 100% wrong. I read, and studied that vast truths, and facts on this board.

I now know how wrong I am about everything with this team.

Wow, you are already at acceptance. Not much further to go until you are completely healed.

I'm still in denial.

 

[bankybruce]

Here is the solution, go to Fitz and tell him they are trading him to Chicago and Rex Grossman will be throwing him the ball. Either he freaks out and settles for a new contract or the trade goes down like this.

Fitz and Al Johnson for Rashied Davis, Olin Kreutz, Charles Tillman and Chicago second round pick.

To me Olin Kreutz is key there. He is a pro bowl center and with Chicago wanting to rebuild the line, at 30 years old, I am not sure he is up for that, but on the young AZ team, he is the instant leader and most proven player on the OL. Tillman is a above average DB and Rashied Davis could turn out to be something. I do not think Chicago would give up a first with also giving up Olin and Charles.

 

[football karma]

Would Lito Sheppard and a 1st rounder be less than 2 first rounders? Not in my opinion. Sheppard was drafted in the first round, he's still young (26), he's been to the pro bowl twice. He is easily a top ten corner and he has a knack for making big plays. I'd love to keep him, but I don't get to make that decision.

McGee--

something I am very curious about on Sheppard--

I beleive he is a top notch corner as well. The issue I have is that the Eagles signed Asante Samuel when (at least to an outside observer) corner wasnt really a need.

So here are the Eagles, who a week ago concluded that they needed to pay a corner $9mm+ a year, but not to the Pro bowl corner on their roster. Then after signing Samuel, they are ready to shop Lito Sheppard. Nobody knows Sheppard better than the Eagles, and they concluded that they needed somebody better.

It raises a red flag to me.

Why would the Eagles do that? Cant be for money-- it would have been cheaper to give Lito a new deal than sign Samuel.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Here is the solution, go to Fitz and tell him they are trading him to Chicago and Rex Grossman will be throwing him the ball. Either he freaks out and settles for a new contract or the trade goes down like this.

Fitz and Al Johnson for Rashied Davis, Olin Kreutz, Charles Tillman and Chicago second round pick.

To me Olin Kreutz is key there. He is a pro bowl center and with Chicago wanting to rebuild the line, at 30 years old, I am not sure he is up for that, but on the young AZ team, he is the instant leader and most proven player on the OL. Tillman is a above average DB and Rashied Davis could turn out to be something. I do not think Chicago would give up a first with also giving up Olin and Charles.

No deal to me. I thought Seidlein came in and arguably played better than Al Johnson. Al Johnson didn't have a horrible year last year either. He was solid.

 

[bankybruce]

No deal to me. I thought Seidlein came in and arguably played better than Al Johnson. Al Johnson didn't have a horrible year last year either. He was solid.

I am not saying AL Johnson was horrible, but this is taking a average center to one of the top 3 in the NFL to anchor the line along with a proven CB and a possible #3 reciever. Not to mention a second 2nd round pick.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Did you mean can't rebuild??? Can rebuild don't sound right under the scenario you laid out. Moss left because Oakland was a one ring circus going around with one oar in the water. He did not have to prove that he was one of the top receivers anymore, he just wanted to experience winning...can't be more than that.

Without a doubt the worst job in the league is coaching the Raiders under Al Davis...(duh)

yes I did, my bad