Great News! Graves/Parker Update

[dreamcastrocks]

Look dreamcastrocks (and it does Sega Marine Fishing is the best ever) find only one cliff to stand at the edge of.

Either Fitzgerald is costing us our soul, or we should have drafted Adrian Peterson. Both not both.

Pretty soon, we will have 10 threads about "Warner should be starting over Leinart" I'm prepared for our cycles....

 

[AsUdUdE]

As I have been saying for the past 3 weeks... ANYONE who honestly think Fitz is in the Cards future with everything that has gone on is crazy...

Those are prolly also the same who honestly believed Marion would be a Phoenix Sun is just plain delerious....

And for the same reasons as has been previously stated.... The Cards need to publicly put Fitz on the Block, and wait for either

A. The Eagles to come back and relent to the previous of Sheppard 1st and 2nd

B. Wait for the Cowboys to call and offer the 22 and 29 picks, and then ask for Chris Canty as well....


The Cards should NOT accept anything less than a top Defensive player, and first round pick.. PERIOD...

 

[cardsfanmd]

Just happened today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3277837

My bad, let me try again. IMO, smart teams dont extend injury-prone players who want huge deals at insignificant positions before they play a down for said team.

 

[AZCB34]

there's not one team in the league that wouldn't give up their #1 for Fitz. He's 24, he's a proven pro-bowler, and you likely going to be giving out roughly the same amount of money in bonusses+salary to an unproven rookie.

I disagree in general. Now, I am sure there are a couple teams that would deal 1st rounders for Fitz but not as many as you think. Or put different, some of those teams would not throw in a 1st rounder if they were being asked to throw in a player or players in the deal as well as later round picks on top of that.

The PHI trade stuff was nothing...absolutely a smoke screen of the highest order. No way Philly gives up all that for Fitz. They are not stupid. I just don't buy it and in fact think the whole rumor got started up by a thread on this board about a trade idea that, shockingly, involved all the exact same components that the PHI trade rumor contained.

All I am saying is most of these trade ideas are unrealistic. Graves is not a good enough GM to properly value Fitz in his mind so there will likely be no trade offer that will ever be good enough and that is where the mistake will end up being made.

 

[abomb]

Pretty soon, we will have 10 threads about "Warner should be starting over Leinart" I'm prepared for our cycles....

I'll start one right now. Dont tempt me.

My bad, let me try again. IMO, smart teams dont extend injury-prone players who want huge deals at insignificant positions before they play a down for said team.

 

[john h]

So, what now?

"So now what?" You know what "when in doubt PUNT"--

 

[RugbyMuffin]

"So now what?" You know what "when in doubt PUNT"--

Just not to Devin Hester.

Punt it out of bounds !

 

[DaisyCutter]

http://www.xtra910.com/pages/stream.html

Is this what this thread is about ?

I got this off the message board on the official Cardinals site. http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=29630

Funny, no one there said anything about talks between the two parties breaking down, and stopping.

I could definately be wrong tho.

Personally I think it is a lot of hoopla. It is a long offseason. I still think the deal gets done.

BTW - I thought long and hard about this:

My Trade:

Edge and Fitzgerald for Adrian Peterson.

The Fitz interview was from yesterday morning, about 9:30. They replayed it this morning after 6:30. When I was driving to work this morning, 6:15-ish, Bickley and MJ were reporting that talks had broken off. It was right before the replay of the Fitz interview from the day before.

He is worth more money than Berrian but that is not the discussion. His actual trade value is much less than what people on this board are throwing out there. Teams do not trade away 1st rounders willy-nilly even for top tier WRs. The draft is widely recognized around most of the league as the best way to build teams these days.

I would be shocked if the Cards could wrestle away a 1st rounder from anyone for Fitz. Maybe a player (or two) and a couple lower picks like 2nd & 4th but not much beyond that.

Again, I fall back on the talent of Randy Moss and what the Pats gave up for him...4th rounder. Regardless of attitude issues, Moss is better than Fitz ever will be and I think we can say that Fitz may be showing some prima donna attitude issues with the recent goings-on.

Moss was a 32 year old player coming off the two worst seasons of his career, as well as the well-known character issues that drove him out of Minnesota. I think that the deal that the Raiders gave for Moss is high for what the Cards could get for Fitzgerald, but I think that a first-round pick and a solid starter is about the going rate.

Deion Branch went to Seattle for a 1st round pick that was going to be in the mid- to late-20s. Fitz is worth way more than that, especially because he's not holding out for a new contract.

With the difficulty some teams have in locating WR talent in the draft, I think a guy whom you know is going to perform from day one, for certain teams, is worth at least a first round pick. I don't think Larry's worth a Top 10 pick (and I wouldn't want it because they cost too much). But I personally think that a player like Sheppard (a former/superfluous Pro Bowler with some concerns) and two seconds (the second #2 able to accelerate to a 1st should Larry catch for 1500+ yards or 12+ TDs or make the Pro Bowl) would be about market value. Maybe a little less than, but you're also gaining cap flexibility.

 

[john h]

Meaning , you think they cut a deal?

Either side could have put this out to strengthen their position. You always have to wonder how and from who a reporter gets this info. What is the purpose to put this type of info out? Clearly to strengthen their position. In this case we are so dumb we do not know who's position was strengthend.

I am sort of sick of it. I just wish they would make a deal or make every effort to trade him. Any way you look at it we are going to come out a loser. We greatly over pay him which hurts our ability to sign other players or we trade his and his BIGGGG CONTRACT and likely have to pay a large part of it for someone who is not as good. This seems simple enough to me. Make him your best offer and I mean your best and tell him this is it we have no more room. Why drag this on. You can look at this over and over. It is not brain surgery. If we cannot trade him then we live up to the contract and plan on his departure next year. Life goes on. The world does not begin with or end with Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[AZCB34]

Maybe a little less than, but you're also gaining cap flexibility.

This is why I think getting a 1st rounder may be more difficult...and I should have better expressed my opinion to include this. Trade value is more than what is player A worth on the open market but it includes all the bells and whistles with what the trade offers both teams. One team gains salary relief while another gobbles up salary cap space.

Draft picks are gambles but so is trading for Fitz regardless of past history. Fitz could end up on the injury express starting next year and be almost worthless (and Fitz has had some nagging injuries so far...hammies if I recall correct).

My basic premise is this...most of the trade scenarios offered are out of whack for what reality likely is.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I think it is important to get the right deal.... but IMO we need to get a deal done soon

One reason, is if we make a deal, I honestly believe we need to re-sign BJ to a nice deal...

To me, BJ would work well as a #2 for the Cards, he knows the system, he arguably had his best year as a pro last year, and my whole thing to not resigning him, was I thought he would get a ridiculous contract, but so far no.. So if we can get a Fitz deal done soon.. resign BJ, we could use our 2 first round picks on a CB, RB, and/or DE/OLB.... Depending on what we get in the trade....

So yet another reason to get a resolution to the Fitz deal....

 

[DaisyCutter]

This is why I think getting a 1st rounder may be more difficult...and I should have better expressed my opinion to include this. Trade value is more than what is player A worth on the open market but it includes all the bells and whistles with what the trade offers both teams. One team gains salary relief while another gobbles up salary cap space.

Draft picks are gambles but so is trading for Fitz regardless of past history. Fitz could end up on the injury express starting next year and be almost worthless (and Fitz has had some nagging injuries so far...hammies if I recall correct).

My basic premise is this...most of the trade scenarios offered are out of whack for what reality likely is.

Absolutely, but it depends on what the team is looking for. I think that for a team like the Eagles, Fitz and his extended contract would be worth it because it jams open the window of opportunity for your team and gives you a solid building block for the next round. But for a team that's starting over, like Miami or Kansas City, the pick doesn't make a lot of sense. San Diego would make an intriguing home for Fitz.

It's not like Fitz would carry a $17 million cap number into 2009 for the team that trades for him. He's never going to see that salary. But he'll be re-signed for maybe 25% more than what Berrian got, and you'll have a much better player for a long period of time.

I don't think that Fitz doesn't want to be a Cardinal. But I think he wants to go somewhere where the NFL is important, and where he'll get some exposure. If the Cards succeed this season, become the darlings of the league, I think that Fitz will be easier to work with next season. But right now this is an 8-8 team with one of the worst GMs in the NFL. It's still relatively obscure on the NFL landscape (like last 5 minutes of SportsCenter obscure). I think that Fitz wants to be recognized as the great receiver that he is.

Here, he's still playing in the shadow if Anquan Boldin (notice that despite everything it's Dockett and Anquan on the top of the Cards' website). He'll remain in that shadow in his own home town, but the Cards are going to have to pay for that. In at least 25 other NFL cities (maybe not Carolina, Cincy, New England, and a couple others), Fitz would be the star attraction on offense. I think that means something to him.

 

[abomb]

Here, he's still playing in the shadow if Anquan Boldin (notice that despite everything it's Dockett and Anquan on the top of the Cards' website). He'll remain in that shadow in his own home town, but the Cards are going to have to pay for that. In at least 25 other NFL cities (maybe not Carolina, Cincy, New England, and a couple others), Fitz would be the star attraction on offense. I think that means something to him.

Recall neither he nor Leinart were voted as captains either.

 

[DaisyCutter]

I think it is important to get the right deal.... but IMO we need to get a deal done soon

One reason, is if we make a deal, I honestly believe we need to re-sign BJ to a nice deal...

To me, BJ would work well as a #2 for the Cards, he knows the system, he arguably had his best year as a pro last year, and my whole thing to not resigning him, was I thought he would get a ridiculous contract, but so far no.. So if we can get a Fitz deal done soon.. resign BJ, we could use our 2 first round picks on a CB, RB, and/or DE/OLB.... Depending on what we get in the trade....

So yet another reason to get a resolution to the Fitz deal....

I mostly disagree with this. Bryant Johnson's best season as a pro was two years ago. More importantly, when Anquan went down, Bryant Johnson totally failed to step up to the plate. After Anquan broke his hip against Pittsburgh, Johnson caught for 80 yards twice, never more. This was in an offense that was passing constantly.

Love Bryant Johnson as a person and teammate, but I don't think he deserves to come back to the Valley. He needs a fresh start.

 

[JC_AZ]

My bad, let me try again. IMO, smart teams dont extend injury-prone players who want huge deals at insignificant positions before they play a down for said team.

Somehow, I can not associate your logic with T.O., you often make way too much sense to be associated with the pic of T.O. and it is difficult to take it serious while assessing your comments... JMHO

 

[DaisyCutter]

Recall neither he nor Leinart were voted as captains either.

Mm-hmm. Personally, I thought it was disgraceful that the Arizona Cardinals were the only team in the NFL that didn't name their starting quarterback a captain. But it's not my team. Hopefully it served as a wake-up call and motivation for Leinart, because it was embarrassing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Mm-hmm. Personally, I thought it was disgraceful that the Arizona Cardinals were the only team in the NFL that didn't name their starting quarterback a captain. But it's not my team. Hopefully it served as a wake-up call and motivation for Leinart, because it was embarrassing.

There is no shame to playing second fiddle to Q.

 

[40yearfan]

Just not to Devin Hester.

Punt it out of bounds !

 

[cardsfanmd]

Somehow, I can not associate your logic with T.O., you often make way too much sense to be associated with the pic of T.O. and it is difficult to take it serious while assessing your comments... JMHO

Things could always be worse.

Try equating logic with this avatar..

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[JC_AZ]

Things could always be worse.

Try equating logic with this avatar..

You must be registered for see images

I am sure there are worse challenges...RG has got it right a couple of times anway T.O. just does not FIT any commentary that is associated with common sense

 

[cardsfanmd]

Seeing him crying like an 8yr old whose dog ran away doesn't do anything for you??

 

[MrYeahBut]

"So now what?" You know what "when in doubt PUNT"--

Now that we've signed a punter, maybe we can

 

[red desert]

Somehow, I can not associate your logic with T.O., you often make way too much sense to be associated with the pic of T.O. and it is difficult to take it serious while assessing your comments... JMHO

cardsfnmd - I agree with you often, and I appreciate your posts, but dude, seriously, get rid of that avatar. It gives me the willys.

 

[Evil Ash]

Honest question: With the poor reporting that Jurecki has done over the past few years, why are people suddenly taking his word as a certainty?

Somers, someone who is much more reliable than Jurecki, hasn't reported anything of this nature.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Honest question: With the poor reporting that Jurecki has done over the past few years, why are people suddenly taking his word as a certainty?

Somers, someone who is much more reliable than Jurecki, hasn't reported anything of this nature.

Read the board for 5 minutes and you will see why.

1. If it is negative, it is truth in stone.

2. If it is positive, then it will be slanted, and manipulated, and changed. Then see part #1.