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Yeah , he would need to agree to a new deal now IMO, along with the 2 high picks.
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Yeah , he would need to agree to a new deal now IMO, along with the 2 high picks.
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That wouldn't happen. For one, youdo not usually want to extend someone's contract before they play a down for you. Also, the 2 high picks would be basically accounting for the fact that he will be gone after a year. If he agreed to extend, they would give us both picks IMO.
WildBB
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There have been alot of sign and trade deals.
Are you saying that if he was extended then they would trade him and 2 high picks?
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First off, other than the usual suspects, did anyone think Graves would get a deal done quickly? Secondly, when looking for a trade partner, i'm going to a guy who falls in love with players, spends alot of money, needs a big WR, and will overpay to get his guy. Mr. Snyder will you please up the red courtesy phone? We'd like your #1 and #2 pick this year along with Chris Samuels and you can throw in Randle-el/Snatana Moss if you'd like.
For Pete's sake.
The first sentence was to point out that even though a player may not be on the trading block, a situation can arise that makes the front office reevaluate whether the player could be traded. The comparison used to show that a front office can change it's tune.
The comparison being over at this point, the second sentence was my opinion that if a team came to the Cardinals with a "knock your socks off" deal, they would consider. Not a deal of the same value of Shaq for Marion.
Lito Sheppard & a 2nd rounder for Fitz <= Shaq for Marion & Banks
This is a laughable offer.
Lito Sheppard & two 1st rounders for Fitz >>> Shaq for Marion & Banks
Time to consider the trade.
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Bernard Berrian signed a six-year, $42 Million contract with the Minnesota Vikings, with $16 Million in guaranteed money. Bernard freaking Berrian! That's where some of you want the Cards to start negotiating. If Berrian is worth 16M guarantees, Fitz is worth a hell of a lot more.
That's true but it really doesn't matter what his value is on the NFL market. It matters what his value is to us. We don't want to trade him unless it is worth it to us. If someone wants to do that, we'll talk.
He is worth more money than Berrian but that is not the discussion. His actual trade value is much less than what people on this board are throwing out there. Teams do not trade away 1st rounders willy-nilly even for top tier WRs. The draft is widely recognized around most of the league as the best way to build teams these days.
I would be shocked if the Cards could wrestle away a 1st rounder from anyone for Fitz. Maybe a player (or two) and a couple lower picks like 2nd & 4th but not much beyond that.
Again, I fall back on the talent of Randy Moss and what the Pats gave up for him...4th rounder. Regardless of attitude issues, Moss is better than Fitz ever will be and I think we can say that Fitz may be showing some prima donna attitude issues with the recent goings-on.
Except, we come down to losing him for nothing (at some point) when this is the highest point in his worth on the trade market.
The problem is the FO over-valuing Fitz' value on the trade market just in an effort to save face or whatever. Graves needs to be realistic on what Fitz is really worth to other teams and jump on a deal that meets his criteria regardless of what the fans think because I think it has been proven the fans over-value Fitz' worth to other teams in the current NFL climate.
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No, it was a typo, my bad. I dont think we get him and two first rounders.
If he is looking for a huge deal I dont want him longer than 1 year. CBs are like WRs to me. Not worth the big bucks. I wouldn't mind giving it to Q because he brings so much to the table. IMO the further you line up from the ball, the less important you usually are.
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Last time a pro bowl receiver was traded (Moss) he was traded for a top 10 pick, a player that they thought was a pro bowl player, and a minor piece. Fitz comes with much less baggage than what Moss did.
I don't think that we are overvaluing Fitz at all.
I thought moss was traded for a 6th rounder or something ridiculous.
See Raiders - Vikings trade.
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Moss was also better than Fitz.
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I agree completely. If I'm Fitz, the only way I agree to a restructure this year is if the team blows me away with a monster contract loaded with huge guarantees and additional incentives, something I don't think we ever intended to do.
If I were advising him, I'd tell him to play this year for $14MM and hold off for a bigger payday next year with an even higher salary cap.
Larry hasn't even reached his prime yet and barring some seriosly catosrophic injury, he is still going to improve. The Cards would get crucified (I suspect by many of the people in here demanding a trade) long term if they dumped Larry over money and only picked up a bunch of second rate playes and draft picks that you never know if they'll turn out or not.
Team loyalty is for the fans, not the players.
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Not by much, and when you include his baggage, they are at least equal in terms of value.
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why did the league cancel the first trade?
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there's not one team in the league that wouldn't give up their #1 for Fitz. He's 24, he's a proven pro-bowler, and you likely going to be giving out roughly the same amount of money in bonusses+salary to an unproven rookie.
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http://www.xtra910.com/pages/stream.html
Is this what this thread is about ?
I got this off the message board on the official Cardinals site. http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=29630
Funny, no one there said anything about talks between the two parties breaking down, and stopping.
I could definately be wrong tho.
Personally I think it is a lot of hoopla. It is a long offseason. I still think the deal gets done.
BTW - I thought long and hard about this:
My Trade:
Edge and Fitzgerald for Adrian Peterson.
Is this what this thread is about ?
I got this off the message board on the official Cardinals site. http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=29630
Funny, no one there said anything about talks between the two parties breaking down, and stopping.
I could definately be wrong tho.
Personally I think it is a lot of hoopla. It is a long offseason. I still think the deal gets done.
BTW - I thought long and hard about this:
My Trade:
Edge and Fitzgerald for Adrian Peterson.
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From PFT;
ROGERS REFUSED TO MOVE ROSTER BONUS FOR CINCY TRADE
Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com has more info on the collapse of the deal that would have sent former Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to Cincinnati. As it turns out, once the deal didn't get finalized by 4:00 p.m. on Friday, the Bengals proposed refunding the Lions the $1 million roster bonus that the team was on the hook to pay as of midnight on Saturday.
But the league told the teams that there was no language in the CBA that applied to this kind of a maneuver.
Meanwhile, the problem could have been solved if Rogers had merely agreed to postpone the trigger on the million-dollar payment. As to the Bengals, Rogers wouldn't do it. As to the Browns, he would.
It should make for some interesting signs and chants from the stands at Paul Brown Stadium when Rogers and the Browns go there next season.
And so, in the end, the Browns gave up a third-round pick, cornerback Leigh Bodden, and $1 million in cash and cap space.
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Wouldn't the logical trade be Levi Brown for Adrian Peterson?
Look dreamcastrocks (and it does Sega Marine Fishing is the best ever) find only one cliff to stand at the edge of.
Either Fitzgerald is costing us our soul, or we should have drafted Adrian Peterson. Both not both.
