Grizzlies @ Suns 3-30-19

[BC867]

Gina Mizell‏Verified account @ginamizell



Here’s the #Suns’ health status in a nutshell: Josh Jackson said his sprained ankle felt fine tonight, but he left with an ice pack strapped to his left hand. He thinks he sprained his fingers in warm-ups...because somebody slapped his hand too hard/the wrong way.


10:02 PM - 30 Mar 2019

Jackson thinks he sprained his fingers in warm-ups...because somebody slapped his hand too hard/the wrong way.

They'll have to tell the ball boys to not high-5 the players.

 

[elindholm]

I'd definitely trade Warren. He could actually help a number of teams in the league.

By keeping the bench warm while his bruised ego takes months at a time to heal? Which teams need that?

 

[Sunburn]

Did he not want to score 50 cuz he didn't want to hear criticism for the loss? That makes me sad.

 

[swagron]

Did he not want to score 50 cuz he didn't want to hear criticism for the loss? That makes me sad.

The Suns better get a real team around Booker real quick. He will be the next guy screaming/demanding to get out of here. #bookdemandsatrade

 

[leclerc]

Let's trade everybody on rookie contracts right now. No point doing player development, especially on kids in their early 20's. Who needs them! Here, have Jackson, Bridges, Melton, Okobo.

/SARCASM

 

[Proximo]

So shorthanded....

Literally no one other than Booker could score consistently.

Bender couldn't hang with Valanciunas...like at all...

The only players I want to keep on this team are:

Booker
Ayton
Oubre
Bridges
Holmes

Pretty much everyone else sucks. Johnson is a solid but overpaid player. I'd add him as well if not for his pricetag.

I'm pretty much with you at this point - but I would add Melton as well - I still think he has good potential.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jackson thinks he sprained his fingers in warm-ups...because somebody slapped his hand too hard/the wrong way.

They'll have to tell the ball boys to not high-5 the players.

This was certainly something in the weird injury category.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This was certainly something in the weird injury category.

Yeah but it doesn't approach KJ level. Note to Kevin Johnson, if you're going to pick up a player in celebration, choose someone who doesn't consider 2 large pizzas as a light snack.

 

[SirStefan32]

Let's trade everybody on rookie contracts right now. No point doing player development, especially on kids in their early 20's. Who needs them! Here, have Jackson, Bridges, Melton, Okobo.

/SARCASM

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. Few of us have suggested we don't want more rookies, but not one person here has suggested getting rid of Bridges. I would be surprised if there is a single non-troll poster who doesn't view Bridges as part of the future. Melton and Okobo's contracts are insignificant. They do have to make a decision on JJ soon, and if Oubre signs a new contract, at least one of the other small forwards needs to go. Suns will have a surplus of wings and a shortage of big men and no real point guard. With not a lot of cap room, JJ and Warren are probably going away.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm all for trading him for the right return, but I disagree that it is "time to move on"...

Booker is a prime example of the major strides that players can take as they develop and JJ could absolutely have some major leaps in his development coming as well. I can understand with someone like Bender that showed almost nothing in his first 2 seasons, but at least JJ has shown some real flashes of potential.

Please don’t compare Booker’s development to Josh Jackson’s.

Booker, his rookie year (when he was almost 2 years younger than Jackson as a rookie) showed more promise in his game than Jackson has at any point in the last 2 years.

Josh Jackson is a combination of prime JR Smith/Dion Waiters/Lance Stephenson all wrapped into one. Great physical tools and sometimes makes the highlight plays but overall, he’s an idiot that has basketball IQ which ranks in the bottom 5 of the league.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Please don’t compare Booker’s development to Josh Jackson’s.

Booker, his rookie year (when he was almost 2 years younger than Jackson as a rookie) showed more promise in his game than Jackson has at any point in the last 2 years.

Josh Jackson is a combination of prime JR Smith/Dion Waiters/Lance Stephenson all wrapped into one. Great physical tools and sometimes makes the highlight plays but overall, he’s an idiot that has basketball IQ which ranks in the bottom 5 of the league.

I'm comparing development to development. Obviously all players will develop at different rates and different amounts, but it usually takes some time. We are seeing with Booker that he is making major strides still in his 4th season and likely will continue to get better for years to come. JJ has barely even started to tap into his potential and could very well make major strides as soon as next season.

 

[GatorAZ]

Josh Jackson is the 6’6” version of Archie Goodwin.

 

[Proximo]

I'm comparing development to development. Obviously all players will develop at different rates and different amounts, but it usually takes some time. We are seeing with Booker that he is making major strides still in his 4th season and likely will continue to get better for years to come. JJ has barely even started to tap into his potential and could very well make major strides as soon as next season.

Historically if you are this bad in year two the best you ever become is a role player.

Could Jackson be the exception, maybe but it is unlikely. We need to face reality.

Jackson is not worth his salary at this point, and the only way the suns are trading him is if he is a throw in.

 

[Mainstreet]

Josh Jackson is the 6’6” version of Archie Goodwin.

At least Archie was drafted 29th. I had hopes for him succeeding for the longest time.

 

[sunsfan88]

Josh Jackson is the 6’6” version of Archie Goodwin.

Archie Goodwin was at least good in every summer league he performed in while Josh Jackson looked like dog crap even against guys who are now working as cashiers at various McDonalds locations.

If Goodwin was a top 5 pick like Jackson then I think he would’ve been given a longer leash. If Jackson was a late 1st rd pick like Goodwin then Jackson would be out of the league this upcoming summer or the next.

 

[SirStefan32]

Historically if you are this bad in year two the best you ever become is a role player.

Could Jackson be the exception, maybe but it is unlikely. We need to face reality.

Jackson is not worth his salary at this point, and the only way the suns are trading him is if he is a throw in.

I would be surprised if anyone is still hoping for him to be a star. Jackson turning into a legitimate NBA role player is all we can hope for at this point. Good news is that the Suns probably don't need him to be a star.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Josh Jackson is the 6’6” version of Archie Goodwin.

Disagree. Josh Jackson is the 6'6 version of himself, I have never seen a player like him in my life. I just can't think of another NBA player that is so horrible AND so great. Goodwin didn't impact the game in very many ways. Jackson has an impact in almost every area - it's just not always a positive impact.

The only saving grace for Jackson is that he's a tireless worker. The odds are against him but I think we'd be foolish not to give him his one year extensions and hold up folding on him until we absolutely have to. Assuming of course that he's not a negative in the locker room too.

 

[GatorAZ]

Disagree. Josh Jackson is the 6'6 version of himself, I have never seen a player like him in my life. I just can't think of another NBA player that is so horrible AND so great. Goodwin didn't impact the game in very many ways. Jackson has an in impact in almost every area - it's just not always a positive impact.

The only saving grace for Jackson is that he's a tireless worker. The odds are against him but I think we'd be foolish not to give him his one year extensions and hold up folding on him until we absolutely have to. Assuming of course that he's not a negative in the locker room too.

Agree with the bolded part. Players that play hard will have a longer leash and get the benefit from fans. I never thought declining his option was ever a possibility especially for top-5 picks in b2b years. He’s not Bender-bad.

 

[Finito]

Let's trade everybody on rookie contracts right now. No point doing player development, especially on kids in their early 20's. Who needs them! Here, have Jackson, Bridges, Melton, Okobo.

/SARCASM

All of them can go except for Bridges

 

[Finito]

Disagree. Josh Jackson is the 6'6 version of himself, I have never seen a player like him in my life. I just can't think of another NBA player that is so horrible AND so great. Goodwin didn't impact the game in very many ways. Jackson has an impact in almost every area - it's just not always a positive impact.

The only saving grace for Jackson is that he's a tireless worker. The odds are against him but I think we'd be foolish not to give him his one year extensions and hold up folding on him until we absolutely have to. Assuming of course that he's not a negative in the locker room too.

He’s a player that needs a strong coach to send him in the right direction make him understand what he is and what he isn’t.

I’ve always thought his ceiling was Shawn Marion a really good role player/ borderline all star for a long time. Crash the boards, run the break get your points off put backs and slashing to the hoop.

I love his effort he obviously cares

 

[taz02]

I would be surprised if anyone is still hoping for him to be a star. Jackson turning into a legitimate NBA role player is all we can hope for at this point. Good news is that the Suns probably don't need him to be a star.

He was the 4th pick, we needed him to be a star. We won 17 games and have to use our cap space on Oubre instead of a PG or PF.

He could still pan out and I hope he does.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm pretty much with you at this point - but I would add Melton as well - I still think he has good potential.

Melton really hasn't shown anything this year.

Even bad players have one or two good games over the course of the season. I cant really think of one for Melton.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Please don’t compare Booker’s development to Josh Jackson’s.

Booker, his rookie year (when he was almost 2 years younger than Jackson as a rookie) showed more promise in his game than Jackson has at any point in the last 2 years.

Josh Jackson is a combination of prime JR Smith/Dion Waiters/Lance Stephenson all wrapped into one. Great physical tools and sometimes makes the highlight plays but overall, he’s an idiot that has basketball IQ which ranks in the bottom 5 of the league.

Booker showed star potential his rookie season.

I guess you could argue the same for Jackson, but his issue is decisionmaking. Bookers issue was never decisionmaking, it was physical development and a little bit more shot development.

Dumb players remain dumb. I cant think of any low bbiq players who had a huge jump in bbiq.

The reason I advocate dumping Jackson ASAP is because even if he develops other parts of his game, I think hes always going to be limited by his poor decisionmaking. Get rid of him while he still has value.

Some team desperate for a wing would probably trade a solid rotation player and/or a decent draft pick for him at this point. He still has the veneer of being a lottery pick.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Agree with the bolded part. Players that play hard will have a longer leash and get the benefit from fans. I never thought declining his option was ever a possibility especially for top-5 picks in b2b years. He’s not Bender-bad.

Benders issue is that he doesnt really move the needle in any direction. Hes a bump on the log.

Stats suggest Jackson is different; he actively makes decisions that lose games. That's worse than Bender.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I bad such a bad feeling about Jackson. Its thr same reason Bender hasn't worked. Players that need lots of game develop to learn how to score should never be high lottery picks.

That's why Markannen should have been valued more, it was obvious he was at least going to be a decent scorer early in his career. Booker should have been valued more too.