Haley in AZ Today For Interview

[Mitch]

Honestly, if the Cardinals were going to hire Horton, it would have already happened. Once Keim was hired yesterday, if Horton were the guy, he would have been announced today. I think the Cardinals really like McCoy, but they don't have the patience nor balls to wait things out. It's no secret that almost every team in the HC hunt likes McCoy, so the Cardinals inferiority complex will make them move sooner rather than later.

I don't have a problem with Haley. I'm sure he's learned something from the first go around. I like a HC who's not afraid to get in people's faces. This franchise needs that now more than ever. Our mamby pamby players need thicker skin. Players with thick skin don't get beat 58-0! He's been to a SB & took a crappy KC team to the playoffs, regardless of their schedule. I'd rather have Haley as HC, with Horton as DC than Horton as HC with relative unknowns as our Coordinators. Absolutely, Haley!

Beautifully said---PA. You basically said everything I am feeling about Haley. He gives us an edge---and as you said, we need an edge. I too think of his experience at KC as a positive---undoubtedly he learned a lot---

 

[Jetstream Green]

Funny you will get blasted for saying that but that is exactly why everyone was all over Hortons jock after his interview and wanting him to be the HC. They loved his passion.

Actually with the limited experience Horton has had just at the DC position, Haley in comparison based on his experience would lead one to believe he is a much better candidate for the position. We know what Horton did on the defense, and we know his relations with the players good and bad. We praise Horton and should, but I never understood when a few said the team gave up on Whis, because the only time I saw a team give up was the defense against Seattle and then we have the whole fining issue with Dockett and Wilson's discontent.

That said, I still would like Horton over Haley but truthfully a lot of it is going off 'moxie' if all I have is two seasons at the DC position. I think a good player can only be judged as truly good till he has shown three years of work put in and how they adjusted. I think a coach requires the same.

Funny, but Haley is acting like some chick who is playing hard to get and it seems that Bidwill is chasing harder, the more he is turning him down

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Funny you will get blasted for saying that but that is exactly why everyone was all over Hortons jock after his interview and wanting him to be the HC. They loved his passion.

Nope.

Love his cornrows. We'd be the coolest team in the league.

 

[D-Dogg]

Oh no.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

 

[Mitch]

I really don't know if Haley will succeed. I frankly did not follow his time in KC all that closely. I have read the posts here about his time there and obviously remember his tiff with Anquan.

All I really know is that Haley was the OC for a prolific offense when he was here last. Of course he could be a colossal failure but if he was hired tomorrow I for one would not lose a lick of sleep over it as long as he is given a short leash.

I think Ray deserves a shot, but there might be some sort of flaw in his plan that we have not heard of.

People deserve second chances for sure, but the timing is a bit dubious. I really would prefer Horton based on his familiarity with this current roster, but his background in defense and lack of HC experience lends itself to real question as to whether or not he can get it done offensively.

Clif---I too was hoping Horton would get his chance---but, imo, he cannot be serious about his OC and DC choices. He should have been wise enough to know that there's no way the Cardinals (or any other NFL team) will go into next season with a rookie GM, a rookie HC and 2 rookie coordinators, neither of whom have ever called a play in an NFL game. Plus---knowing how shaky the Cardinals are at the QB position, Horton's choice for OC isn't even a QB guy. And when Horton calls his inexperienced choices "experts"---he lost valuable credibility.

 

[D-Dogg]

Funny you will get blasted for saying that but that is exactly why everyone was all over Hortons jock after his interview and wanting him to be the HC. They loved his passion.

People loved that he said he could learn from others' mistakes. That he was a leader of men. That he would hire experts and be flexible. That he could manage people well.

Horton's passion and Haley's passion are two vastly different things. Horton's makes him look driven, thoughtful, willing to take risks. Haley's make him look stubborn, angry and *******.

Sorry, I'd rather have Whis.

 

[az jam]

Todd turned the KC Chief team around in his 2nd year and had them in the playoffs. The new GM Scott Pioli, from the Patriots, never got along with Todd and was always feuding with him even in the press. He forced DC Roman Crennel on Todd. An HC should be able to pick his own coaches.
In Todd's 3rd year, All Pro Jamal Charles blowout his ACL in preseason. Season ending injuries also occurred to starters TE Tony Moeaki, and S Eric Berry (during preseason) and QB Matt Cassell during the season. Haley never had a chance. You are not going to be successful when your boss is against you. The owner should have fired GM Pioli and kept Haley.

Haley is a Bill Parcels protege. He is tough, he is solid. Players do respect him as he gets in their face. I think he would be successful here as the HC.

 

[LarryStalling]

Some Steeler fan posted in PFT, "Haley to AZ as HC, Whisenhunt to Pittsburgh as OC."

Boy, we get the best of that deal.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

People loved that he said he could learn from others' mistakes. That he was a leader of men. That he would hire experts and be flexible. That he could manage people well.

Horton's passion and Haley's passion are two vastly different things. Horton's makes him look driven, thoughtful, willing to take risks. Haley's make him look stubborn, angry and *******.

Sorry, I'd rather have Whis.

Yeah, if it's my choice to make.. I would take Whis over Haley.

 

[HoodieBets]

People loved that he said he could learn from others' mistakes. That he was a leader of men. That he would hire experts and be flexible. That he could manage people well.

Horton's passion and Haley's passion are two vastly different things. Horton's makes him look driven, thoughtful, willing to take risks. Haley's make him look stubborn, angry and *******.

Sorry, I'd rather have Whis.

Are Wilson and Spanos experts? and what risks did he say he was gonna take? I think the biggest risk he said was he thought kolb played well for them. Any HC is a leader of men or they never would have made it this far in coaching. What has shown that Horton can manage people well?

Im not even gonna touch that whis comment.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I was really hoping for what I'd consider an upgrade or up and comer at HC, still am. All them cats said said Haley was a bigger part of our superbowl run than Whiz was should be dancing in the streets.

I was hoping for some McCoy buzz today, I thought we may look like a cozy spot for him considering our defense is already locked down dialed in, and McCoy still has to focus on his postseason.

But back to Haley, or todayley, because we are still interviewing Gruden tomorrow yes? I hoped it was a leverage move if I think Haley thought the same thing and didn't want to show up unless there was a real chance at HC. But with the hiring and timing of this Keim thing, it leads me to believe Keim may be very pro-Haley. And I think Haley would be a OK with Horton remaining as DC, and maybe that sideways title called assistant HC.

Yes, the interview with Gruden is tomorrow...apparently in Cincinnati. We also know (seemingly for sure) that Haley is not at his office today, while all the other coaches are. So what they're trying to figure out is where (more than whether) Cardinal staff will meet with Haley (in PIT on the way to CIN or maybe in CIN or somewhere nearby).

This is what I'm understanding from Jurecki on his show right now.

 

[LarryStalling]

I think Haley will have learned a few things after the first go round.

He'll hopefully have a little more balance in his approach, but still expect the most.


If they could keep Horton at a substantial raise I'm down.

Yep, I bet that he has the facilities shecked for electronic listening devices occasionally.

 

[D-Dogg]

Are Wilson and Spanos experts?

No, which is what soured people on him.

and what risks did he say he was gonna take?

That he's not going to be afraid to make changes, and that change is good. IMO Change is risk and risk is good.

Any HC is a leader of men or they never would have made it this far in coaching.

No, some people are leaders of offensive players, or defensive players. Or scheme. Some HC get there by being brilliant playcallers, then you find out they can't lead men. Norv Turner, for example.

What has shown that Horton can manage people well?

His words. He said it, not me.

Im not even gonna touch that whis comment.

Haley is just about the one candidate that I would re-hire Whis over. Seriously. Haley has all the negative qualities that made Whis fail, and then some. He's an abrasive personality. Fights with his QB. Fights with his WR. Fights with his GM. I know the type - they need friction to thrive. It's in their DNA. They can succeed, but they don't do it for long because that style of motivation and management burns out quickly.

Again, Whis is a better candidate than Haley.

 

[kerouac9]

man... if we do get Haley, I REALLY hope he's like a Bellicheck, who needed one HC job to fail at before he succeeded, but I won't lie and say I'm not dubious of that happening.

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

 

[Mulli]

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

Thank you, Mr. One of the few who called Grimm bein overrated.

 

[52brandon]

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

either way, there's exceptions to every rule
Kurt Warner got cut, worked in a grocery store and played in the AFL. We shouldn't go after every cut QB that ended up in a grocery store or the Arena league either

 

[JeffGollin]

My perception may be all "off", but I think Horton is brighter than Haley, and the OC job calls for a really smart, creative "gunslinger."

Todd may have a tough guy persona (& we ned toughness on offense also) but my concern is that, when our offense gets stuck in a rut, Haley won't have what it takes.to come up with the right answer for getting us out of it.

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my concern.

 

[Stout]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Failed Head Coach? check

Failed OC in Pitt? check

Crap! This is probably going to happen.

He wasn't a failed head coach. He turned the team around and got them to the playoffs, but then had an injury-riddled season and a psycho GM, and got fired.

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

Haley took a 2-14 Chiefs team to the playoffs 2 seasons later.

 

[desertdawg]

Yes, the interview with Gruden is tomorrow...apparently in Cincinnati. We also know (seemingly for sure) that Haley is not at his office today, while all the other coaches are. So what they're trying to figure out is where (more than whether) Cardinal staff will meet with Haley (in PIT on the way to CIN or maybe in CIN or somewhere nearby).

This is what I'm understanding from Jurecki on his show right now.

Awesome, I'm at work and can't get the good stuff. Mucho mahalo.

 

[Mulli]

He wasn't a failed head coach. He turned the team around and got them to the playoffs, but then had an injury-riddled season and a psycho GM, and got fired.



Haley took a 2-14 Chiefs team to the playoffs 2 seasons later.

Sure, why not.

 

[Goldfield]

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

Wow I did not know this. Thank you...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think this story is way, way, WAY over-reported and thoughtlessly repeated.

Belichick was 21-33 as head coach for the Browns between 1991 and 1994. The Browns won the AFC Central and lost in the divisional before Moddell decided to move the team to Baltimore and get a fresh start with a new staff. The entire franchise flatlined in 1995.

Dude went 11-5 with Vinny Testaverde and Leroy Hoard as his top passer and rusher, respectively. That 1994 Browns team was #1 in the NFL in scoring defense.

Dude could coach before he got the rug pulled out from under him.

call me thoughtless if you want, but I remember those ugly ass Browns teams and one winning season in 4 years and 36-44 record is a failure in my book. and you make it seem like he was a miracle worker for doing what he did with Vinny... even though Vinny actually put up pretty good numbers from 1994-1999.

I mean, Parcells just a couple years later took Vinny into the AFC title game so it wasn't like he was complete and utter trash.

 

[Mulli]

call me thoughtless if you want, but I remember those ugly ass Browns teams and one winning season in 4 years and 36-44 record is a failure in my book. and you make it seem like he was a miracle worker for doing what he did with Vinny... even though Vinny actually put up pretty good numbers from 1994-1999.

I mean, Parcells just a couple years later took Vinny into the AFC title game so it wasn't like he was complete and utter trash.

Ya, Modell was genius firing Belichik. Good call.

 

[kerouac9]

He wasn't a failed head coach. He turned the team around and got them to the playoffs, but then had an injury-riddled season and a psycho GM, and got fired.



Haley took a 2-14 Chiefs team to the playoffs 2 seasons later.

I'm a little ambivalent on the question of whether or not Todd Haley would be a good head coach for the Cards. Clearly, he's more diverse than Whis has shown himself able to be: he ran a pass-first offense with Warner, then transitioned to a run-based offense in KC. He turned Dewayne Bowe from "enigmatic talent" to "potential Pro Bowler".

But it didn't seem like he got along very well with his staff and his players, and certainly put himself in the position to have to start Tyler Palko for games.

Since Mao has mentioned it a couple of times, it's worth taking some time to read what IMO is a pretty well-reported story on secrecy and overbearing management with the Kansas City Chiefs: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14/3371495/arrowhead-anxiety-turnover-off.html

Really interesting stuff. Mao may be exaggerating a little when he implies that Haley was the only one in Arrowhead walking around with a tinfoil hat.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Haley took a 2-14 Chiefs team to the playoffs 2 seasons later.

Please note that in that 10-6 season he only beat one team with a winning record (the 9-7 Chargers!) and was fortunate enough to play the NFC West whose division winner went 7-9.

Haley is a joke.