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Still not sure what Love means when she talks about money. ASU is WAY below the margins now. The standard has risen in the past two years. Premium makes about $5 million/$1 million for coordinators. Middle income is about $2 million or thereabouts. ASU was paying Erickson $1.5 mil.

So if she means ASU's going to pay below margins, the whole athletic department should be fired on the spot. If she simply means they're going to adjust to market but not pay premium ... that's just a "no duh."
 

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Doug Haller is tweeting that Mike Martz has interest in the job.
 

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The theme was more along the lines of: ASU Football has so much to offer that we don't need to pay that much to get a winning coach.

That was the type of nonsense Livengood was throwing around when every coach in the country was telling him no. It wasn't untiul the boosters got involved, kicked him out of the process, and started throwing the kitchen sink at Sean Miller that we got a guy.

I just don't think the money issue should have been put out front. Maybe ASU does not have the funds to hire a premier coach as Matt Self alludes. However, why use this message from the get-go. I think Lisa Love has already started the search on a sour note. I don't like it. It's like showing your cards at a poker game. She is trying to project ASU as big time but they are going to shop with a tight budget.
 

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I just don't think the money issue should have been put out front. Maybe ASU does not have the funds to hire a premier coach as Matt Self alludes. However, why use this message from the get-go. I think Lisa Love has already started the search on a sour note. I don't like it. It's like showing your cards at a poker game. She is trying to project ASU as big time but they are going to shop with a tight budget.

Yeah, whether or not it's the case, it's stupid to say. Glad we have our master negotiator on the case!
 

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Doug Haller is tweeting that Mike Martz has interest in the job.

Of course he is. He's about to be fired and replaced by Mike Tice because he absolutely hates to run the ball even though his QB is probably going to have most of his childhood memories erased before the season ends.
 

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Of course he is. He's about to be fired and replaced by Mike Tice because he absolutely hates to run the ball even though his QB is probably going to have most of his childhood memories erased before the season ends.

Thoughts on Mora Jr? With a pretty uninspiring group of college options, would you give him a chance?
 

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Thoughts on Mora Jr? With a pretty uninspiring group of college options, would you give him a chance?

Another guy who's never coached in college. He was a grad assistant under Don James for one year then immediately jumped into the NFL. I have zero faith in those guys.

His dream job is UDub. That's never thrilled me.
 

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Lisa Love is a big time idiot to say something like that. Why would you say that you aren't going to spend the money to get a good coach? Idiocy at it's highest level.

I just realized that four of the six teams that beat ASU this year had their coaches fired. Pretty pathetic.
 

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You sound so concerned here, I almost didn't notice you gagging on your own insincerity. Passive-aggressive flaming is the lamest kind.

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Passive/Agressive huh? Thought I was being pretty aggressive there lol.

To me the timing, other jobs open at the same time, and Az economy (which Love mentioned in her presser ominously) are going to keep ASU from getting someone who "wins" the press conference.

Whether they find someone good is another matter all together. Not sure I would trust the S.S. LOVE to bring in somebody the prgram can hang its hat on though. No offense but in a effort to be progressive, you seemed to be hiring someone a step behind. Between ASU basketball bottoming out, Pat Murphy, and even Coach Thorne, Erickson might actually have been her most successful move yet. And he just got fired.

JMHO
 

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Unfortunately Byrne won't be in Tucson long-term. This is a stepping stone job for him, I think he wants to end up in professional sports.

I know it. But even if he left today he has effected all the major programs positively and has put football at a point where its no longer considered a secondary concern within the AD. The North End Zone Project is a game changer and we have Byrne to thank for that.

Would love to see him stay at least a couple more years. Was a home run of a hire IMO.
 

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To me the timing, other jobs open at the same time, and Az economy (which Love mentioned in her presser ominously) are going to keep ASU from getting someone who "wins" the press conference.

Apparently you've read nothing else I've written. I could care less about winning the press conference. I hope we DON'T hire anyone who does that. I'm as unimpressed with UA's hiring of Rodriguez for the same reasons.
 

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Apparently you've read nothing else I've written. I could care less about winning the press conference. I hope we DON'T hire anyone who does that. I'm as unimpressed with UA's hiring of Rodriguez for the same reasons.

You're one of the few I guess who isn't impressed. The majority of the Phoenix media and national media think the hiring of Rodriguez was an excellent choice. When you hear the word home run, you know it was a good hire. Even my diehard ASU friend admitted he was jealous of the hire. Of course he wants Peterson or Sumlin, but is afraid Love will screw it up.

By the way, I remember when Sean Miller was hired, there were ASU fans on Devil Digest saying it was not a good hire. Of course these are probably the same who said the gap was closing. We will have to wait a few years to see who hired the better football coach. Maybe both schools will hit a home run. Time will tell.
 

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You're one of the few I guess who isn't impressed. The majority of the Phoenix media and national media think the hiring of Rodriguez was an excellent choice. When you hear the word home run, you know it was a good hire. Even my diehard ASU friend admitted he was jealous of the hire. Of course he wants Peterson or Sumlin, but is afraid Love will screw it up.

By the way, I remember when Sean Miller was hired, there were ASU fans on Devil Digest saying it was not a good hire. Of course these are probably the same who said the gap was closing. We will have to wait a few years to see who hired the better football coach. Maybe both schools will hit a home run. Time will tell.

I think you don't know me very well. I'm not petty. I did praise UA and Byrne for their process, which was swift and impressive. I would be very disappointed if Rodriguez had been ASU's choice. The media has a very poor track record, too. They were ecstatic over the Mackovic hire and the Erickson hire. They love names they already know. They disapprove of names they have to learn about. I work with all of them. Right now they're privately confused why ASU isn't hot after Mike Leach, because they would give a raging thumbs up to that hire. They believe the MOST IMPORTANT thing is their perception of the hire, especially when compared to UA.

I want someone who will win. Period. I can give you my 50-page thesis on what that entails, or I can just tell you my favorite guys are usually the guys that makes people laugh. Before Erickson hired I pushed very hard for Gary Patterson, Mark Dantonio, Ron English and Gene Chizik. Before the Koetter hire I was very in favor of Gary Patterson (who at that time was TCU DC in lieu of being promoted to HC because Franchione leaving for Alabama). I certainly missed on some, too. In 2001, I had no idea Utah hiring Urban Meyer from Bowling Green would turn into a whole new tree on its own. But I usually can spot a successful college head coach, and they're usually not the "name" guys at this level.

I've spent most of my adult life on a college football history project charting football coaching trees. Since 1990 I've maintained a network of coaching friends who tell me stories, feed me info, provide background and context. Someday I hope to write a book on this. In the meantime, I think I see these decisions in a much different light than the typical fan, and most coaching searches I find appallingly focused on the press conference and not on the long-term health of a program. It's not just a short-term investment, it's a 1-month investment on a decision that will cost the school tens of millions and years on the withdrawal from the fan base. It's insanity.
 

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One sidebar: I'm not a member of Devils Digest and I don't believe I've posted there in six years. I've never been a regular. The myopic insulation and mob mentality on all the credit cards for all programs is unbearable for me. I think you'll find me as fair and unbiased as an ASU fan can be. The only reason I post here because it's the lone place on the Internet I can have interaction with UA fans without the general silliness that takes place elsewhere.
 

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^DevilsDigest is truly horrible, I don't know why I continue to go there.

RE: Mike Martz, I don't want him as ASUs guy. But one thing I guess you could say about him is that his resume is better than Pete Carrolls was when he got the SC job. Martz has had more success in the NFL than Carroll did and has more college experience, plus a connection to the school he wants a job with (ASU).

But I can't imagine him being energetic enough, hands on enough or enough of a recruiter to work as a College HC. He seems like he just wants to sit up in the press box and draw up whiz bang offensive schemes.
 

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^DevilsDigest is truly horrible, I don't know why I continue to go there.

RE: Mike Martz, I don't want him as ASUs guy. But one thing I guess you could say about him is that his resume is better than Pete Carrolls was when he got the SC job. Martz has had more success in the NFL than Carroll did and has more college experience, plus a connection to the school he wants a job with (ASU).

But I can't imagine him being energetic enough, hands on enough or enough of a recruiter to work as a College HC. He seems like he just wants to sit up in the press box and draw up whiz bang offensive schemes.

Nothing against age, but I believe Martz is 60. ASU just finished going with an older coach. I think ASU should go with a younger coach with more energy as you seem to suggest in your last paragraph.
 

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You're one of the few I guess who isn't impressed. The majority of the Phoenix media and national media think the hiring of Rodriguez was an excellent choice. When you hear the word home run, you know it was a good hire. Even my diehard ASU friend admitted he was jealous of the hire. Of course he wants Peterson or Sumlin, but is afraid Love will screw it up.
I'm not impressed yet with the Rich Rod hire, I'm in wait and see mode on it. It just as easily could go the way it did at Michigan than it did at WVU. It's going to be interesting seeing how predominantly West Coast kids are used to being a part of a pretty relaxed program handle Rich Rod's expectations.
 

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I'm not certain you could build a consensus among the players who played for him at ASU in favor of him. I think that says everything.
 

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I'm not impressed yet with the Rich Rod hire, I'm in wait and see mode on it. It just as easily could go the way it did at Michigan than it did at WVU. It's going to be interesting seeing how predominantly West Coast kids are used to being a part of a pretty relaxed program handle Rich Rod's expectations.

I'm reading Three and Out and I am getting a much better understanding of what Rodriguez had to face when at Michigan. By the way, I really hope the new strength coach will be Mike Barwis. This guy sounds like he would have the Cats stronger than any other team in the conference and in the best shape possible.
 

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I'm reading Three and Out and I am getting a much better understanding of what Rodriguez had to face when at Michigan. By the way, I really hope the new strength coach will be Mike Barwis. This guy sounds like he would have the Cats stronger than any other team in the conference and in the best shape possible.
I already finished the book. Yeah, Rod faced some adversity at Michigan but he was not without his fair share of mistakes up there. I mean really, asking everyone at the team banquet to hold hands and sing "You Raise Me Up?"
 

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I already finished the book. Yeah, Rod faced some adversity at Michigan but he was not without his fair share of mistakes up there. I mean really, asking everyone at the team banquet to hold hands and sing "You Raise Me Up?"

In stead of holding hands and singing "You Raise Me Up?" at Arizona they will be holding hands and singing "Bear Down"..... up versus down. :D

Okay, pretty bad.
 

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I already finished the book. Yeah, Rod faced some adversity at Michigan but he was not without his fair share of mistakes up there. I mean really, asking everyone at the team banquet to hold hands and sing "You Raise Me Up?"

It definitely raised eyebrows if this guy could even relate to college kids. Or even athletes in general. His zealous commitment to the 3-3-5 was also stupid.

If RR is successful, I'll be the first to salute UA because everything else was handled in a surprisingly tidy way. You don't usually see that kind of action at this level, which is probably why I'm most suspicious of the hire.
 

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One domino down, Leach to WSU. They've instantly become relevant.
 

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It definitely raised eyebrows if this guy could even relate to college kids. Or even athletes in general. His zealous commitment to the 3-3-5 was also stupid.
He related to college kids at WVU just fine. The 3-3-5 like any scheme works if you have the horses, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's as they say. The issue is whether his style works with West Coast kids. And if he can fill out his staff with guys who can recruit California. We all know football is a bit different out here.
 
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