Head Coach Candidates?

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Why? Not challenging, just wondering what makes Washington a superior option.

They've won a national championships in recent memory and have shown the ability sustain an elite program in a major conference over an extended period of time (pretty much the entire 80's and 90's). ASU has never shown that. Also if you want make comments like "maybe you should check their record over the last 20 years" regarding Stanford you should also take a look at ASU's. It's not pretty.

If I had to rank them...

1. USC
2. Oregon
3. Washington
4. UCLA
5. ASU
6. Colorado
7. Stanford
8. Cal
9. Arizona
10. Oregon State
11. Utah
12. Wazzu

Of course all it takes is one legendary or notorious hire and you can vault up or crash down that list. ASU for example I think is one more bad hire from becoming a place that coaches come to die, a distinction Arizona among others already has.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They've won a national championships in recent memory and have shown the ability sustain an elite program in a major conference over an extended period of time (pretty much the entire 80's and 90's).

While that may be true, since Neuheisel has left, they've been horrid. Gilbertson was 7-16, and Willingham 11-37. Sarkisian has been better, but still .500. I just don't see it as a forgone conclusion that Washington will remain a consistent power in the Pac 12.

Also if you want make comments like "maybe you should check their record over the last 20 years" regarding Stanford you should also take a look at ASU's. It's not pretty.

ASU certainly hasn't been dominant, but they've also not had any coach with a record under .500. Not great, not horrible. Before Harbaugh got to Stanford, they were on a 16-40 skid with the previous two coaches. ASU hasn't had a down period like that, and I think we can both agree ASU is more likely to be the better program going forward.

 

[ajcardfan]

Oregon was 128 - 178 -6 from 1967 to 1994. Oregon State was much worse than that over that time frame. No programs ever appeared more helpless than K State and Northwestern. Twenty years ago, you would've been laughed at if you had suggested any of those schools would be respectable at football, much less a perennial power like Oregon has become.

The point is, college football has changed. Any program IF THEY HIRE THE RIGHT COACH at the right time can have very nice moments. If excellent teams can be built at those schools, the same can happen at ASU and UofA.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

ASU certainly hasn't been dominant, but they've also not had any coach with a record under .500. Not great, not horrible. Before Harbaugh got to Stanford, they were on a 16-40 skid with the previous two coaches. ASU hasn't had a down period like that, and I think we can both agree ASU is more likely to be the better program going forward.

That's the one thing that speaks highly of ASU Football is that unlike UW, Oregon State, Arizona, Stanford, Cal, Wazzu, and Colorado they have never truly hit rock bottom. It may feel like that the last few years for ASU fans bu trust me, you don't know what bottoming out really is and it seems to plague almost everyone these days every now and then.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Oregon was 128 - 178 -6 from 1967 to 1994. Oregon State was much worse than that over that time frame. No programs ever appeared more helpless than K State and Northwestern. Twenty years ago, you would've been laughed at if you had suggested any of those schools would be respectable at football, much less a perennial power like Oregon has become.

The point is, college football has changed. Any program IF THEY HIRE THE RIGHT COACH at the right time can have very nice moments. If excellent teams can be built at those schools, the same can happen at ASU and UofA.

But can we also agree that not winning for an extended period of time also lessens your chances of hiring that one right coach? For each of those examples there's still perennial dumpster fires like Iowa State, Vandy, Kentucky, Duke, etc.

Really it comes down to timing, luck, and a little bit of skill. Look at Arizona Basketball for example. What is that program today had Lute Olson bailed for the open Kentucky job in 1989? Who knows but I can say that it certainly wouldn't be in the position to land a coach of Sean Miller's caliber twenty years later. What if John Cooper stayed at ASU and replicated the success he had at Ohio State here? I can say that ASU probably would not have had to settle for younger question marks like Koetter and retreads like Erickson over the last decade.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Stanford? You must be joking. Maybe you should check their record over the last 20 years. Stanford is certainly no football powerhouse.

UCLA will always be a hoops school, and they've had as many good football years as ASU in the past 10.

USC and Oregon? Definitely better, and should be for the long haul. After that, ASU should be able to be as good if not better than every other Pac school.

Yea... Stanford has been sketchy over the years, however, they've had a great run as of late and everything I hear is that the foundation is now there to continue their success.

Look, all I have ever heard about ASU is that they "should" be a contender. Yet, they never are. I believe the school itself is ultimately to blame as they never invested in the program in a way that would make it seem that they truly desire to be a contender. The facilities, the field, the coaches... All leads to blah-ville and middle of the pack performances. Which leasds to an inability to recruit top-tier talent. Heck, just look at the # of top recruits within the state of AZ alone over the past 4-5 years. All of them going somewhere else - out of state.

I don't see this changing anytime soon - though I wish it would.

 

[Gaddabout]

Two things Washington will always have: Lots and lots of money and one of the most rabid fanbases west of the Mississippi. Those are the two things you need the most. Still waiting to see if they have the right guy for the job. I'm guessing they do.

I do NOT get the Fedora love. At all. What's the difference between him and Jeff Bower? Bower produced 14 straight winning seasons, including five C-USA conference championships at Southern Miss. Fedora has done almost the exact same thing, but this year they won 10 games instead of 9. Big whoop. Southern Miss SHOULD win at least 8 games in the C-USA. They get all the best SEC scraps in recruiting.

 

[Gaddabout]

- I've heard Wazzu is leaning towards keeping Wulff another year.

- Mike Leach is the fan favorite for every coaching opening in the country. They've gone bonkers in Lawrence the past 24 hours. Rumor had it a plane with Leach had just landed in Lawrence out of Key West and the media were there to greet him. Only, it wasn't Leech. It was some Kansas family returning from vacation. But that hasn't stopped the Leach Monsters from fueling all kinds of rumors.

- Leach has also been spotted dining in: Pullman, LA, Lowell (Mass) and various other locales. For a guy who enjoys living in Key West without a car, he sure gets around the country.

 

[O]

- Leach has also been spotted dining in: Pullman, LA, Lowell (Mass) and various other locales. For a guy who enjoys living in Key West without a car, he sure gets around the country.

Why anyone would be interested in hiring someone that is suing ESPN is beyond me.
Even if he drops the suit, I don't think ESPN would soon forget.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

That's the one thing that speaks highly of ASU Football is that unlike UW, Oregon State, Arizona, Stanford, Cal, Wazzu, and Colorado they have never truly hit rock bottom. It may feel like that the last few years for ASU fans bu trust me, you don't know what bottoming out really is and it seems to plague almost everyone these days every now and then.

Unfortunately kinda damning with faint praise. In the 80's, our winning percentage was much better and we made a Rose Bowl. Same with the 90's. The 2000's have been pretty consistently about a .500 team, and not much better than that.

I'd love to believe that our next coach will be the one to take us to another level, but the current stock of available coaches is uninspiring. Further, with incompetence making the final choice, I'm pessimistic about our chances. As usual, we're nothing if not disappointing.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and then.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Two things Washington will always have: Lots and lots of money and one of the most rabid fanbases west of the Mississippi. Those are the two things you need the most. Still waiting to see if they have the right guy for the job. I'm guessing they do.

I do NOT get the Fedora love. At all. What's the difference between him and Jeff Bower? Bower produced 14 straight winning seasons, including five C-USA conference championships at Southern Miss. Fedora has done almost the exact same thing, but this year they won 10 games instead of 9. Big whoop. Southern Miss SHOULD win at least 8 games in the C-USA. They get all the best SEC scraps in recruiting.

ALong with his great success at SOuthern Miss, he was also the OC at Oklahoma State and Florida, where his offenses produced bigtime. He's one of those coaches who is not yet on the top rung of the coaching ladder, but will be soon. Meaning, you can get him for $1.5 million or so versus being sucked into paying a guy like Mike Leach $3-$5 million...

 

[Absolute Zero]

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[Lefty]

- I've heard Wazzu is leaning towards keeping Wulff another year.

- Mike Leach is the fan favorite for every coaching opening in the country. They've gone bonkers in Lawrence the past 24 hours. Rumor had it a plane with Leach had just landed in Lawrence out of Key West and the media were there to greet him. Only, it wasn't Leech. It was some Kansas family returning from vacation. But that hasn't stopped the Leach Monsters from fueling all kinds of rumors.

- Leach has also been spotted dining in: Pullman, LA, Lowell (Mass) and various other locales. For a guy who enjoys living in Key West without a car, he sure gets around the country.

I think Leach would love to get a shot at Texas Tech every year so I could see him coaching at KU.

 

[Gaddabout]

ALong with his great success at SOuthern Miss, he was also the OC at Oklahoma State and Florida, where his offenses produced bigtime. He's one of those coaches who is not yet on the top rung of the coaching ladder, but will be soon. Meaning, you can get him for $1.5 million or so versus being sucked into paying a guy like Mike Leach $3-$5 million...

OK. He's peanut butter and jelly to me. He'll probably get the job done, but you'll probably be wishing you had someone else before your done.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Last Offseason Jack Del Rio's name had been coming up as a possible replacement..

Well this morning Del Rio was officially canned.. not sure the connections to ASU (other than hiring Koetter) or his recruiting level, but he seems worht a shot..

Depending who you read, he is either absolutely joining the college ranks or there is no way hed consider going to college...

Will be interesting, but to me, we should at least put a feeler out there for him...

 

[AsUdUdE]

According to rampant speculation and "inside sources" when Del Rio was told basically he would not return next year he asked to be let go now so he could interview and land a college job with multiple HC opening now and recruiting in fill swing...

He is from Southern Cal, played at USC, you have to think Arizona State is a job he may be eyeing... Obviously UCLA may very well be the front runner and elite choice as well...

To me with his ties to SoCal, and he name, he is right up there with Smart, Sumlin, and Gus to go after.. he could be awesome

 

[Gaddabout]

Besides being a great former linebacker, what has Del Rio done that makes you think he'd be a credible hire for ASU?

 

[AsUdUdE]

Besides being a great former linebacker, what has Del Rio done that makes you think he'd be a credible hire for ASU?

To me Del Rio is about as charasmatic as they come, which goes a ways in recruiting (combined with a name like Del Rio ofcourse)

He is a wiz at gameplanning and has last nearly a decade with a Jax team that consistanly year in and year out has less talent than the majoriety of the AFC contending teams..

He has strong ties to SoCal which imo, is at the top of list of requirements needed by the next ASU coach...

If he can surround himself with a stud recruiting cordinator (which I would think he could) I think he could do the song and dance natually to the prized recruits selling them on the pro-style and defense he brings to the table...

Again I don't look at him as a can't miss, but neither is Sumlin... I think he is worth a look..

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I thought Del Rio had a reputation for being a jerk. Is that wrong?

 

[Lefty]

Lisa Love was just on KTAR and said she will be heading the committee on the coaching search. She also said they won't be getting in a bidding war. Gambo isn't happy.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Lisa Love was just on KTAR and said she will be heading the committee on the coaching search. She also said they won't be getting in a bidding war. Gambo isn't happy.

Wonderful news on both fronts. I anticipate disappointment.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Lisa Love was just on KTAR and said she will be heading the committee on the coaching search. She also said they won't be getting in a bidding war. Gambo isn't happy.

I heard that today and had flashbacks of Jim Livengood's search after Lute retired.

 

[Mainstreet]

Lisa Love was just on KTAR and said she will be heading the committee on the coaching search. She also said they won't be getting in a bidding war. Gambo isn't happy.

I heard similar remarks yesterday so this is becoming a theme. I don't think Lisa Love should be putting this information out there (even if true) as it taints the image of ASU and the coaching vacancy they are trying to fill. Who wants to hear ASU is trying to fill their coaching position with a modest hire? IMO, this ruins the image ASU is trying to project.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I heard similar remarks yesterday so this is becoming a theme. I don't think Lisa Love should be putting this information out there (even if true) as it taints the image of ASU and the coaching vacancy they are trying to fill. Who wants to hear ASU is trying to fill their coaching position with a modest hire? IMO, this ruins the image ASU is trying to project.

The theme was more along the lines of: ASU Football has so much to offer that we don't need to pay that much to get a winning coach.

That was the type of nonsense Livengood was throwing around when every coach in the country was telling him no. It wasn't untiul the boosters got involved, kicked him out of the process, and started throwing the kitchen sink at Sean Miller that we got a guy.