I've never wanted a 5-star recruit to declare for early draft entry so much in my life.
That was the biggest emotional collapse of a defense I've seen since France in WWII.
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I've never wanted a 5-star recruit to declare for early draft entry so much in my life.
That was the biggest emotional collapse of a defense I've seen since France in WWII.
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ASU loses again...
Even Lisa love can't screw this up and finangle a way to keep Erickson let alone give him an extension...
I think it is a foregone conclusion Wrickson is gone (man, I hope so), but to me, Love needs to go as well... NOW..
Is Crow the only one who has the power to relieve Love of her duties? Or is there a board.. please tell me somehow its a bored and not let Crow alone screw this up... because if given the chance he will..
Even Lisa love can't screw this up and finangle a way to keep Erickson let alone give him an extension...
I think it is a foregone conclusion Wrickson is gone (man, I hope so), but to me, Love needs to go as well... NOW..
Is Crow the only one who has the power to relieve Love of her duties? Or is there a board.. please tell me somehow its a bored and not let Crow alone screw this up... because if given the chance he will..
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One thing that might cause some to think twice before firing Erickson is that he is bringing in the #20 recruiting class per ESPN and #29 per Rivals.
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IIRC, Rich Rodriguez did not coach WVU's bowl game his last season after UM hired him, there have been other big name coaches that have done the same so you never know. Whatever ASU does they need to have a replacement ready prior to giving Erickson the axe, so that they can salvage what recruits they can.
There are a lot of recruits still looking at ASU along with some soft commits so I would move quickly on Sumlin and hope he comes on board before January. Sumlin I hear has a really low buyout from UH, that along with his track record should put him at the top of ASU's list. The job should be appealing to him as he will have Oz for another year and has some weapons coming back and his offense should appeal to recruits.
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ASU isn't Michigan and I don't know if Sumlin has the same issues with the Houston administration as Rich Rod did with his bosses at WVU. But you never know of course. ASU isn't holding on to their whole class, even if you make a good hire quickly there's going to be at least five or six guys that end up elsewhere. It's inevitable in these situations.
That only way that class stays together is if Erickson is given at least a 3-year extension, and that will NOT happen.
What is Sumlin's track record, exactly?
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Let's see he is 35-16 with only 1 losing season out of 4 at UH, 24-8 in conference games.
Made coaching stops at Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Purdue, Minnesota & Wyoming as various offensive roles culminating in Asst. Coach/OC at OU & TAMU after being a reciever's coach at Purdue. Has seen some bowl games and has run some pretty high powered offenses.
Plus, he isn't as volatile as Leach, younger than Ron English, more established on the college level than Geep Chryst who we've personally seen run the OC duties for the Cardinals and we all know that did not turn out so well.
Sumlin is the best and most realistic option out there.
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Yes but ASU is a better job than UH, blah blah blah. Arriving early allows him to meet the players, assemble a staff and get on the recruiting trail. I agree, ASU will lose some recruits but I believe Sumlin will draw some interest from other recruits especially if he can bring in some strong recruiters to fill out his staff.
MaoTosiFanClub
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I thnk Gadd wants Paul Chryst, not Geep Chryst. But yes he's better than Leach. The one thing to note regarding Sumlin other than Case Keenum not being his recruit is the lack of success in the Bob Stoops coaching tree. Sumlin is a good candidate but he's not without some red flags but that is going to be the situation with everyone ASU interviews.
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My point is that it would be odd for a guy to leave his kids before the only BCS appearance the school will likely ever have. The reason Rich Rod left WVU before the Fiesta Bowl was because of a pissing contest between him and the WVU AD.
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I would much rather lose one recruiting class than having to suffer another year with Erickson. Plus the sooner you make the coaching change the better chance the new coach has to keep some of these guys and bring new ones in. Having a great recruiting class is never a reason to not fire a guy. The only results that matter are on the field. Erickson has won the recruiting war pretty much every year but on the field he is mediocre.
Oh, I know that history. But did you know Sumlin is currently winning with Art Briles' recruits and Sumlin went 5-7 in the only year he didn't have Case Keenum at QB? Did you know that under Sumlin, Houston's defense has surrendered an average of 30 points a game?
I'm relatively certain Sumlin is at the top of ASU's list, but consider me disappointed we're focused on another coach who focuses on only one side of the ball. I remain baffled why people are so high on him. In a year with better candidates, he's a back-up plan at best.
Nice dig at Geep Chryst, even though I've been touting Paul Chryst. The Cards have been to the playoffs 3 times since they moved to Arizona, and Geep played a big role in one of them.
Sumlin's not going to leave a 12-0 BCS bowl team until the season is over. I think we can etch that in stone. I also think it's going to take BIG money to get him because Houston is sitting there with a Big East/AQ invitation and they rest on some of the best recruiting ground in the country.
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Other than Chryst what does your list look like? I liked Chryst and Manny Diaz for UA. Never thought much about the SEC coordinators because those guys never leave. I know UA had Derek Mason from Stanford on it's list at one point. The local kid coming home angle could work.
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Matt, Mao what are your thoughts on Larry Fedora of Southern Miss as a possible candidate for the ASU job? He's got the big time program coordinator experience at both Florida and Oklahoma State, is a strong recruiter in Texas, has the same high octane offense but improving defense coaching style and has done nice things in Hattiesburg.
Think he could be a sleeper candidate for ASU.
Think he could be a sleeper candidate for ASU.
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I think he ends up at Ole Miss but you never know.
I'm not really in love with the field as it looks right now. It's a bad year to be hiring a coach. Someone will pick a winner -- someone always does -- but I don't see any clear choices. Even the usual dream picks like Gary Patterson look like they're fully locked into their schools no matter what the rumors because the Big East and Big 12 are giving away AQ status like it's penny candy.
It's a year I would look long and hard at the NFL assistants. The Bears are loaded with former ASU assistants starting at the top. But I know Martz prefers the NFL, and I inquired about Marinelli with Juan Roque. Juan thinks Rod M. wants to stay in the NFL to get rid of the taste of that Lions season out of his mouth.
Some of those NFL assistants I think are interesting:
- Mark Whipple, Cleveland Browns, QB coach. Whipple was a very successful small college coach (121-59 in 17 years, including a 1-AA national championship at UMass) before getting the NFL gig with the Steelers. He grew up in Phoenix and graduated from Camelback. Really smart guy with CEO kind of instincts.
- Darrell Bevell, Seattle Seahawks, OC. He's been in the NFL for about a decade now. He's 41 and an Arizona native. Was a hero QB at Wisconsin and got his start in coaching at NAU under Brad Childress. He's LDS, which is not my faith, but plays a somewhat important distinction in this region. He's ready to roll, IMO. The fact that he graduated from Chaparral CANNOT hurt recruiting at ASU.
- Mark Carrier, DL, NY Jets. Downside is he only spent two years in college (at ASU) before jumping at the NFL. He still has his house here and knows the lay of the land, both locally and regionally. He was by all accounts an excellent teacher and coach. He would be able to assemble an outstanding staff.
Fedora should stay in his region. He knows it well.
Recruiting connections in Texas mean very little to me for ASU coaches. The Texas talent is in central and eastern Texas. Dallas is a 20-hour drive to Tempe. Houston about 24 hours. My rule of thumb is your primary recruiting region is within a 6-hour, one-way drive. That's about as far as your average recruit will go, so their parents have a reasonable chance to see them play on the home field. It's why ASU has never done more than cherry pick Texas -- with or without strong recruiting ties there. Every time ASU has committed multiple resources to that state (under Marmie and Koetter), it's returned many more losses than wins. It's fool's gold for ASU coaches.
Recruiting connections in SoCal are mandatory for a head coach's STAFF at ASU. Period. Exclamation point. That's where it has been, is, and will always be for ASU. The years they went to the Rose Bowl, the team was about 2/3rds SoCal recruits. Kush's '75 team was largely from SoCal (with a lot of help from Pennsylvania, rural Arizona, and one blue-chip receiver from Dallas).
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The only guy on your list that is intriguing is Bevell. I'd prefer to get a guy who knows how to recruit and has done it before so that would eliminate Whipple. Don't know much about Carrier so I can't truly say whether I like him or not.
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please take bevell ..............
If recruiting is your thing, Whipple should probably rate higher than Bevell.
Why would that eliminatet Whipple?
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I completely forgot about him coaching at UMass and must have glanced over it while reading the post. Disregard my previous point.
