Heroes (NBC)

[Treefiddy]

Finale was anti-climatic. I'll likely still watch next season to see how they fill the holes.

The bad ending was probably good for me though, because now I won't be fiending like a crack addict waiting for more.

 

[D-Dogg]

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He had no power to affect change.

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Parkman saved Molly in the end, again. Without Molly, Peter wouldn't have been found, Sylar, etc.

What Parkman needs to understand is HOW to use his power and not that he is powerful. He isn't...just because he has a gun doesn't mean he can fix things...his growth will come from learning how to use his power as part of a team and not trying to be a hero all on his own.

This is a central theme to the show...all of them have powers, but together they are a force. Alone they are beaten by their powers, they feel like they can do everything or they are scared (Peter). From a power standpoint, Peter is amazingly strong but held back by his own doubt and fear. This is a show more about struggling to find out who you are (using your power) than actually applying your powers. At least how I see it.

Oh, and Charles (wasn't that his name, the old guy that Peter was taking care of) had an awesome power...some ability to see the future and past both as he referenced something talking to current Peter that he hadn't yet told past Peter. He resided on a weird plane. And both he and the Patrelli mom were right in the end.

I liked the ending, though I was wanting for more.

And at the V2 preview, is that Hiro's hero all alone to fight the other army, Kensai or whatever his name is?

 

[Covert Rain]

He isn't? What did I miss?

Is he now the cockroach from the sewer? I'm confused.

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They showed blood smears leading up to an open sewer/manhole cover. I took that as he crawled down in there. Maybe not? That's why that ending was so ridiculous. Considering who he was that made that part of the ending unbelievable.

 

[D-Dogg]

comments inside your spoiler...

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This is the only part that bothers me at all. How did she get Jessica under control? Did I miss that somewhere? And yes, she's just a nut job.

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Going back to what I said in the previous spoiler...she grew; she learned how to control her previously uncontrollable power. Just like Peter will learn to control Ted's power. In her case, fighting "herself" in the shapeshifter and thinking Micah dead helped it all click.

She's not a nut job...she's legitimately powerful...superstrength of ripping off doors, tearing people in half, etc. Her cold-blooded side has now fused with her emotional side and she's very powerful. Now she's able to do it without fighting an internal personality (her power, essentially). Think of her power as kind of like Ted's, only able to speak. Dangerous to her and everyone around her, but if harnessed it is incredible.

 

[D-Dogg]

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They showed blood smears leading up to an open sewer/manhole cover. I took that as he crawled down in there. Maybe not? That's why that ending was so ridiculous. Considering who he was that made that part of the ending unbelievable.

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Yeah, I don't know about that scene. I don't know where they were trying to go with it--I guess he could have crawled down there. But he looked legit dead, not going to be crawling anywhere. I just don't get that part...I don't think Sylar is alive though.

 

[Covert Rain]

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Yeah, I don't know about that scene. I don't know where they were trying to go with it--I guess he could have crawled down there. But he looked legit dead, not going to be crawling anywhere. I just don't get that part...I don't think Sylar is alive though.

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I just watched the scene again. No doubt Sylar crawled down there. One instant, manhole cover closed. Last scene...blood smears as if body dragged or Sylar crawled...now manhole cover open. Why would they show the manhole cover open all of the sudden?

 

[Chaplin]

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Going back to what I said in the previous spoiler...she grew; she learned how to control her previously uncontrollable power. Just like Peter will learn to control Ted's power. In her case, fighting "herself" in the shapeshifter and thinking Micah dead helped it all click.

She's not a nut job...she's legitimately powerful...superstrength of ripping off doors, tearing people in half, etc. Her cold-blooded side has now fused with her emotional side and she's very powerful. Now she's able to do it without fighting an internal personality (her power, essentially). Think of her power as kind of like Ted's, only able to speak. Dangerous to her and everyone around her, but if harnessed it is incredible.

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I think Jessica made a conscious decision to let Nikki back in control. I don't know why, but it could just be a plot device in order for shapeshifter girl to act like Jessica to Nikki's Nikki. Or there could be another reason for it, but I am at a loss as to how Nikki could have overpowered Jessica when there was never any indication that she could throughout the show.

 

[Gaddabout]

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I just watched the scene again. No doubt Sylar crawled down there. One instant, manhole cover closed. Last scene...blood smears as if body dragged or Sylar crawled...now manhole cover open. Why would they show the manhole cover open all of the sudden?

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Classic comic book scene and classic comic book author tactic -- never kill your best villain.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

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Classic comic book scene and classic comic book author tactic -- never kill your best villain.

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Could also be that someone ELSE took the body...the bad guy the girl couldn't find...he dragged it off...

There was that roach on the edge...maybe it means something.

 

[Linderbee]

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Going back to what I said in the previous spoiler...she grew; she learned how to control her previously uncontrollable power. Just like Peter will learn to control Ted's power. In her case, fighting "herself" in the shapeshifter and thinking Micah dead helped it all click.

She's not a nut job...she's legitimately powerful...superstrength of ripping off doors, tearing people in half, etc. Her cold-blooded side has now fused with her emotional side and she's very powerful. Now she's able to do it without fighting an internal personality (her power, essentially). Think of her power as kind of like Ted's, only able to speak. Dangerous to her and everyone around her, but if harnessed it is incredible. What I don't like about her character is that her "alter ego" is/was a real, live person--that's the "nut job" reference. Yes, she truly does have a power--I wasn't denying that--but for her to say/believe/name her alter ego as her dead sister is kinda whacko. If she NEVER had a sister, she would still have the power, since it's a genetic mutation, so her sis really has nothing to do with it.

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I just watched the scene again. No doubt Sylar crawled down there. One instant, manhole cover closed. Last scene...blood smears as if body dragged or Sylar crawled...now manhole cover open. Why would they show the manhole cover open all of the sudden? MAYBE the "other bad guy" that Molly referenced dragged him down there, as opposed to him having crawled down there. Interesting. We'll have to see how that pans out. If the other bad guy is invisible, then it's possible he could have moved Sylar slowly enough for no one to notice. Also, if he is a healer, he could bring him back to life.

comments again, in the orig. spoiler.

 

[jenna2891]

There was that roach on the edge...maybe it means something.

the roach definitely has some meaning. maybe it's the bigger, badder guy molly alluded to. if you remember, that roach (or one that looked exactly like it) was crawling around the holding room at primatech. when both sylar and parkman were held there, the roacj was seen crawling around. also, in the first episode, mohinder is talking to his class and he calls the cockroach the peak of evolution:

Man is a narcissistic species by nature. We have colonized the four corners of our tiny planet. But we are not the pinnacle of so-called evolution. That honor belongs to the lowly cockroach. Capable of living for months without food. Remaining alive headless for weeks at a time. Resistant to radiation. If God has indeed created Himself in His own image, then I submit to you that God is a cockroach.

 

[Linderbee]

the roach definitely has some meaning. maybe it's the bigger, badder guy molly alluded to. if you remember, that roach (or one that looked exactly like it) was crawling around the holding room at primatech. when both sylar and parkman were held there, the roacj was seen crawling around. also, in the first episode, mohinder is talking to his class and he calls the cockroach the peak of evolution:

Good point. And gross. I hate roaches.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

the roach definitely has some meaning. maybe it's the bigger, badder guy molly alluded to. if you remember, that roach (or one that looked exactly like it) was crawling around the holding room at primatech. when both sylar and parkman were held there, the roacj was seen crawling around. also, in the first episode, mohinder is talking to his class and he calls the cockroach the peak of evolution:

Wow, i didn't know all that stuff...forgot it all.

 

[Zeno]

How come nobody even noticed Sylars body was missing? No mention of it, nobody even seemed to glance that way. You'd think with how evil he was someone would have checked to make sure he really was dead.

Any chance that Peter and Nathan survived? Maybe they went up in the sky, Peter got control over the flying power and they flew off in opposite directions right before the "boom". I just don't see them killing off those characters.

We see Parkman getting in an Ambulance but what about DL?

The final episode was disappointing but I still look forward to next season. I'm assuming the name "Generations" means we'll learn more about the older generation with powers(Linderman, Mrs. Petrelli, the invisible guy, Richard Roundtree's character). I'm going to venture out a guess that the even worse guy that Molly talked about is from the older generation...someone who really knows what they are doing and isn't learning along the way, maybe someone more of the "evil super powered genius" type rather than just a killer like Sylar.

 

[D-Dogg]

Any chance that Peter and Nathan survived? Maybe they went up in the sky, Peter got control over the flying power and they flew off in opposite directions right before the "boom". I just don't see them killing off those characters.

Peter survives, he should at least. His future him survived the blast.

Nathan not so much. My wife theorizes that he could have dropped Peter and flown off to the side away, but then we both said he has radiation poisoning anyway by that point. Nathan has got to be toast...sucks though.

 

[Linderbee]

Peter survives, he should at least. His future him survived the blast.

Nathan not so much. My wife theorizes that he could have dropped Peter and flown off to the side away, but then we both said he has radiation poisoning anyway by that point. Nathan has got to be toast...sucks though.

They are totally ignoring any 'radiation poisoning' possibilities...Mr. Bennett, Parkman...they should both be dying by now.

 

[Covert Rain]

How come nobody even noticed Sylars body was missing? No mention of it, nobody even seemed to glance that way. You'd think with how evil he was someone would have checked to make sure he really was dead.

Any chance that Peter and Nathan survived? Maybe they went up in the sky, Peter got control over the flying power and they flew off in opposite directions right before the "boom". I just don't see them killing off those characters.

We see Parkman getting in an Ambulance but what about DL?

The final episode was disappointing but I still look forward to next season. I'm assuming the name "Generations" means we'll learn more about the older generation with powers(Linderman, Mrs. Petrelli, the invisible guy, Richard Roundtree's character). I'm going to venture out a guess that the even worse guy that Molly talked about is from the older generation...someone who really knows what they are doing and isn't learning along the way, maybe someone more of the "evil super powered genius" type rather than just a killer like Sylar.

Zeno, you didn't read the posts above? We brought up that very issue. I didn't think it was very realistic for someone as evil to be lost in the shuffle after the showdown without anybody taking notice. I hated that.

I think they all will be back. If they really wanted someone dead the writers would have written it that way. I think everybody is back.

 

[D-Dogg]

I think they all will be back. If they really wanted someone dead the writers would have written it that way. I think everybody is back.

From TWOP:

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And if Kristen on E Online is correct, both MV and AP were announced as regulars next season at the Upfronts last week, so it does not look like Nathan is going to die. Redemption then for Nathan was vital if he is not going to be an enemy next season. It was pretty clear that Peter would survive since Milo is arguably the "star" of the show.

Kristen at E is their TV reporter and she is in the know on lots of stuff...her info is always really good.

 

[D-Dogg]

Other people are questioning why the fly away and not the gunshot. Well, as someone on TWOP pointed out that bad things happened when Ted got shot:

TWOP Recap of "Company Man"

Sprague grits that because of Bennet's decision, his wife is dead. Bennet says he's sorry, and Eric Roberts intones, "So am I." Eternity sure didn't live up to the hype. Eric Roberts draws a gun. Bennet yells not to shoot, as he'll set him off, and Parkman tries to get Sprague out of the way, but Eric Roberts's shot hits Sprague in the shoulder. I think we're going to skip red on the Sprague Alert Scale and invent a new level. Maybe a deep purple? Is that angry enough? Well, he starts going nuclear, sending Parkman and then Bennet flying through the air. Parkman yells at Sprague to stop, but he can't, and soon everything's on fire and the air is so hot it's doing that wavy mirage effect. Parkman and Eric Roberts bail, but Bennet stays put under cover of the kitchen counter and gets the tranquilizer needle out. Outside, Claire asks about her dad, and a hacking Parkman tells her he's still inside. As the Haitian starts to remove himself from the scene, Claire runs up to the front door, but is thrown back by a mini-explosion.

The gun thing was doomed from the start, it seems. Pete can't fly because he takes all his control not to blow up.

 

[Chaplin]

Peter survives, he should at least. His future him survived the blast.

Nathan not so much. My wife theorizes that he could have dropped Peter and flown off to the side away, but then we both said he has radiation poisoning anyway by that point. Nathan has got to be toast...sucks though.

That future episode is irrelevant since in that future, an explosion DID happen. So the future episode pretty much is worthless and means absolutely nothing in the mythology of the show moving forward.

 

[D-Dogg]

That future episode is irrelevant since in that future, an explosion DID happen. So the future episode pretty much is worthless and means absolutely nothing in the mythology of the show moving forward.

Not exactly...in the future the explosion DID happen, just as it DID happen this time too. And in that episode, Peter said it was him exploding, not Sylar. And with both Sylar (as Nathan) and Peter alive, that confirms it was Peter since Sylar couldn't regen since Claire was alive. Therefore, Peter survived blowing up.

Therefore, he can survive blowing up in this last episode. The precedent was set in that future episode based on the past event. The event, at its core, did not change. Peter exploded...the only thing that changed in that regard is that he did it miles in the air and not on the ground.

 

[Joe Mama's Sista]

Not exactly...in the future the explosion DID happen, just as it DID happen this time too. And in that episode, Peter said it was him exploding, not Sylar. And with both Sylar (as Nathan) and Peter alive, that confirms it was Peter since Sylar couldn't regen since Claire was alive. Therefore, Peter survived blowing up.

Therefore, he can survive blowing up in this last episode. The precedent was set in that future episode based on the past event. The event, at its core, did not change. Peter exploded...the only thing that changed in that regard is that he did it miles in the air and not on the ground.

And this is why I have a headache after watching this show... too many possibilities!

 

[Zeno]

Nobody has really touched on the Hiro in Mideval Japan thing...is that one Samurai the guy whose sword Hiro stole from Linderman? The same guy who Hiro loved hearing stories about? I hope we see Ando back in season 2, he and Hiro made a good dynamic.

 

[Chaz]

Nobody has really touched on the Hiro in Mideval Japan thing...is that one Samurai the guy whose sword Hiro stole from Linderman? The same guy who Hiro loved hearing stories about? I hope we see Ando back in season 2, he and Hiro made a good dynamic.

Yes, Kensei is his name. I also get the impression from some of the other heroes info that he is actually an ancestor of Hiro's.


If it wasn't for Hiro and Ando I probably would not have kept watching after chapter 2.

 

[Chaplin]

Yes, Kensei is his name. I also get the impression from some of the other heroes info that he is actually an ancestor of Hiro's.


If it wasn't for Hiro and Ando I probably would not have kept watching after chapter 2.

Well, Ando DOES have the sword, not Hiro.