Heroes: Season 2 (SPOILERS! Beware)

[D-Dogg]

Um, you just answered it right there. They didn't clear up that villain arc, just gave him a cheesy out. The ballsy thing to do, and in my estimation the only thing to do, was to kill Sylar or have New York go up. Instead, they fluffed it, with the Heroes winning, but that gosh-darn bad guy gets to live!

IMO, trying to play a bit with the comic book type hokiness will kill them because the writers and creator have NO IDEA what to do with this series. Is it a drama? It tries very hard at times to be a serious drama, usually in vain. Is it a comedy? It tries very hard at times to be funny, and Hiro usually pulls it off. Is it a hokey comic book show? Absolutely not, which is why Sylar getting away at the end was sooo damned STUPID.

Until this show actually gains anything resembling focus, it will remain what it always has been--an okay show with some cool angles. Not great, but worth watching for now.

It IS a comic book show, but that doesn't make it hokey.

Whatever...that's part of the glory of the series to me. Killing off Sylar would have been dumb from a "This is a comic book show about superheroes and villians, with only one main villian."

It is absolutely SO that kind of show. And I love the hell out of it for that.

Who needs more mystery dramas??? Go watch Lost for that (which I watch as well and love for different reasons.)

 

[Stout]

It IS a comic book show, but that doesn't make it hokey.

Whatever...that's part of the glory of the series to me. Killing off Sylar would have been dumb from a "This is a comic book show about superheroes and villians, with only one main villian."

It is absolutely SO that kind of show. And I love the hell out of it for that.

Who needs more mystery dramas??? Go watch Lost for that (which I watch as well and love for different reasons.)

Oh, the creater WANTS it to be a comic book show, but they try far too hard to be an epic drama to ever, ever, EVER succeed as a comic book show. And no, Sylar isn't supposed to be the only main villain. There IS another villain in play, but now we also have Sylar, who I predict will enter in some cheesy manner at a completely stupid time.

Look, arguing with you, it might sound like I hate the series. I do not. I enjoy the show, but I think it is greatly flawed. They try to do entirely too much, and have yet to find, after all this time, what kind of show they are. Is it a drama? Is it a comedy? Is it comic book? Is it a simple ensemble piece? Is it a character study? The problem is, it is none of these, while trying to be all of these. Try to gain some kind of frickin' focus for this show, eh?

 

[Pariah]

They try to do entirely too much, and have yet to find, after all this time, what kind of show they are. Is it a drama? Is it a comedy? Is it comic book? Is it a simple ensemble piece? Is it a character study? The problem is, it is none of these, while trying to be all of these. Try to gain some kind of frickin' focus for this show, eh?

It's a comic book show--comic books have elements of all of these things. I don't think the show lacks focus at all. I also don't think that having Sylar not be killed is detrimental.

I guess we just disagree...or, maybe I just don't understand comic books.

 

[Linderbee]

It's a comic book show--comic books have elements of all of these things. I don't think the show lacks focus at all. I also don't think that having Sylar not be killed is detrimental.

I guess we just disagree...or, maybe I just don't understand comic books.

 

[D-Dogg]

or, maybe I just don't understand comic books.

nerd....

 

[D-Dogg]

Oh, the creater WANTS it to be a comic book show, but they try far too hard to be an epic drama to ever, ever, EVER succeed as a comic book show. And no, Sylar isn't supposed to be the only main villain. There IS another villain in play, but now we also have Sylar, who I predict will enter in some cheesy manner at a completely stupid time.

I disagree entirely, and I'm not a comic book guy...but look at the Spider-man series. I would argue that part of the massive appeal of Spiderdashman is the Peter Parker angle, his life outside being a hero. In other words, the epic drama of it all.

I see nothing wrong with a comic book show with dramatic elements..in fact I love the parts of Heroes that others get mad at or think are "slow" or "boring, get to the action."

I'd honestly be highly disappointed if they dropped a lot of the storylines and focused on just a few or tried to be just one thing. It is a life study type of show, with people who lead dual lives. I think it works...maybe it's just me because I know there are a lot of people that were turned off thinking "too much!!"

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[Stout]

I disagree entirely, and I'm not a comic book guy...but look at the Spider-man series. I would argue that part of the massive appeal of Spiderdashman is the Peter Parker angle, his life outside being a hero. In other words, the epic drama of it all.

I see nothing wrong with a comic book show with dramatic elements..in fact I love the parts of Heroes that others get mad at or think are "slow" or "boring, get to the action."

I'd honestly be highly disappointed if they dropped a lot of the storylines and focused on just a few or tried to be just one thing. It is a life study type of show, with people who lead dual lives. I think it works...maybe it's just me because I know there are a lot of people that were turned off thinking "too much!!"

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Don't get me wrong...I don't think it's too much at all. I should be more specific and say that all of these elements are essentially crammed into EVERY EPISODE, and that is what kills the show. Take a Spidey comic, for instance. Is Peter Parker going to be in a love scene with Gwen, fight the Green Goblin, go soul searching, fight Sandman, go out with MJ, and visit his aunt, all in one page? No, absolutely not. That would be ********. Well, that's the problem with Heroes: trying to stuff it ALL into EACH episode. Don't do 50 storylines an episode, and water them down...focus on one or two an episode and do them WELL.

I have no problems with the lack of action, nor with all of the elements. I just think it's thrown together like throwing spaghetti at a wall. If the show had more focus, it would be excellent. As it is, it's all right.

Btw, thanks for arguing so well with me. It's allowing me to figure out exactly what's killing me about this show. And you aren't insulting me...damn, I'm not used to that in an argument LOL

 

[Gaddabout]

Garrrr. I'm not actually trying to beat the show up, Donald, but I've never had a problem with the lack of action. It's more fundamental. This show has its "21 Jumpstreet" moments IMO where the drama becomes more melodrama and you're wondering, "Hey, forget Holly Robinson, where did that Johnny Depp guy go?" And you realize 10 years later that Depp really was supremely talented (it wasn't just some awkward man crush) and some of those other actors were living the highlight of their careers riding on Depp's coattails.

I'll try to make that the last thing I say about the show. No one has to defend it to me because I watch it, too. For different reasons, apparently.

 

[Linderbee]

21 Jumpstreet/Johnny Depp made me all tingly inside...But I'm pretty certain it wasn't an awkward man crush.

 

[asudevil83]

Don't get me wrong...I don't think it's too much at all. I should be more specific and say that all of these elements are essentially crammed into EVERY EPISODE, and that is what kills the show. Take a Spidey comic, for instance. Is Peter Parker going to be in a love scene with Gwen, fight the Green Goblin, go soul searching, fight Sandman, go out with MJ, and visit his aunt, all in one page? No, absolutely not. That would be ********. Well, that's the problem with Heroes: trying to stuff it ALL into EACH episode. Don't do 50 storylines an episode, and water them down...focus on one or two an episode and do them WELL.

I have no problems with the lack of action, nor with all of the elements. I just think it's thrown together like throwing spaghetti at a wall. If the show had more focus, it would be excellent. As it is, it's all right.

Btw, thanks for arguing so well with me. It's allowing me to figure out exactly what's killing me about this show. And you aren't insulting me...damn, I'm not used to that in an argument LOL

agreed.

for example. i hate the fact that we have no idea what the Hondurans are doing, and throwing them into the first episode did nothing but take away needed time to work witht he rest of the characters. NOTHING was explained about the two of them except that they are brother and sister, trying to get to America, and one of them has some sort of power. their part in the intro episode did nothing for the story, and more time could have been spent introducing and developing them later on.

that can be said about much of the first episode too. Nathan for example. all we got is that he hates his mom, wants nothing to do with his daughter, is a drunk who forgot to shave, and something something about a mirror. but we have no substance to that, no backround or reasoning behind it.

we have/have had too many stories going on at the same time. i love that their are many characters, but seperating them out in unrelated situations kills the show for me. i dont want to have a show again where each week we get reminded of what each character is doing, and then just skim the surface of what's going on with them.

 

[D-Dogg]

Btw, thanks for arguing so well with me. It's allowing me to figure out exactly what's killing me about this show. And you aren't insulting me...damn, I'm not used to that in an argument LOL

 

[Pariah]

that can be said about much of the first episode too. Nathan for example. all we got is that he hates his mom, wants nothing to do with his daughter, is a drunk who forgot to shave, and something something about a mirror. but we have no substance to that, no backround or reasoning behind it.

Did you watch last season?

 

[Chaz]

This show has the biggest love/hate relationship with the viewers that I can remember.

Why can't people just enjoy the ride?

There are some things that bug me about the show, mostly how they drag things out, but I still enjoy it.

 

[Gaddabout]

Why can't people just enjoy the ride?

I once dated a girl who was extremely bright, educated, but made monumentally low-ambition career decisions. She should be running a company by now but instead she'd rather be the manager of convenience store.

Never could fix her, but it didn't stop me from trying.

 

[Linderbee]

I once dated a girl who was extremely bright, educated, but made monumentally low-ambition career decisions. She should be running a company by now but instead she'd rather be the manager of convenience store.

Never could fix her, but it didn't stop me from trying.

Maybe she didn't feel like she needed to be fixed. Sounds more like your issue, not hers. If she's happy/content, what does it matter?

 

[Gaddabout]

Maybe she didn't feel like she needed to be fixed. Sounds more like your issue, not hers. If she's happy/content, what does it matter?

Maybe that's the point I was making, in a fun, personal, self-deferential way. Thanks for knocking my ego, anyway.

 

[Chaz]

I don't know if it helps your ego at all but somehow I find your anecdotes entertaining.

 

[Linderbee]

Maybe that's the point I was making, in a fun, personal, self-deferential way. Thanks for knocking my ego, anyway.

Wasn't trying to knock your ego; I can just relate to her. I've never felt I needed a career to validate my intelligence. Classic underachiever I am jealous that she doesn't HAVE to have a career. I'd much rather be working part time, or something with less stress or made me happier. But, I can't afford it right now. Someday

 

[Gaddabout]

I am jealous that she doesn't HAVE to have a career. I'd much rather be working part time, or something with less stress or made me happier. But, I can't afford it right now. Someday

See, there you go. The B is living la vida loca while you're pining away taking care of responsibilities. You hate her as much as I do. Admit it.

Point being, whenever we're attracted to something that doesn't live up to expectations, it's hard not to spend more time pointing out their flaws rather than their positives. I'm a nervous wreck waiting until January for Lost, so Heroes has to fill that void for me. It's like eating cake when you're craving protein

 

[Mrh182]

No talk yet?? Wow....

Good episode tonight with a nice twist

 

[Stout]

Well, I'll definitely say this for the show...each of the storylines seems to be pretty fun so far, except for the brother and sister; they're a microcosm of what is still wrong with the show. We just haven't seen enough of them to really care. I mean, what, it got 5 minutes of air time, that plot line? Ooh, she's going to help us, the girl's evil, she almost killed me, bye. Huh? That's it? Lame. The other story lines seem fun, but again, maybe 5 minutes each on about 6 different story lines, all in probably around a half an hour (was that SIX commercial breaks? Lame!). So the show is improving, but I'm not sure it will ever turn the corner.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I disagree. The brother/sister combo is being revealed at a nice pace. It reminds me of those comic book interludes we would see all the time "Meanwhile in Mexico". They would always be vague teasers that would eventually tell the story you are asking for.

 

[Jersey Girl]

With all the characters on the show, it must be difficult to divide the attention equally among all story lines, especially, as you mentioned, with all the great commercial breaks we got last night.

I am interested in learning more about the brother/sister team and I can be patient. After all, I am a Lost fan.

 

[Stout]

With all the characters on the show, it must be difficult to divide the attention equally among all story lines, especially, as you mentioned, with all the great commercial breaks we got last night.

I am interested in learning more about the brother/sister team and I can be patient. After all, I am a Lost fan.

See, I can be plenty patient. If they wanted to focus on a few storylines yet still bring those along very slowly, it would probably be very cool. Instead, they give you about a minute at a time, maybe five minutes total, of a bunch of story lines. Meh.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

Take the "Which Hero am I?" test...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057452,00.html


It sucked for me though...I really seem to get my manhood trashed on this forum sometimes...

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